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Prospect Info: 2013-2014 Rangers Prospects Thread *Part III* (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 4/8)

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nyr2k2 said:
I don't think "low quality" is correct. Junior hockey is comprised primarily of teenagers, whereas the college game features players well into their early-(and even mid-)twenties. The game is significantly different in the two settings. I think it's fair to say that they prepare you differently, and the two settings place different emphases on different attributes. One is not really of higher quality than the other, though. I mean, how much can you knock the largest player development league in the world?

What we're seeing from Tambellini in the WHL really reinforces why I think NCAA hockey was better for him developmentally. In juniors, he can dominate with his skill. He needs to continue to develop physically though, growing stronger and learning to use his frame to his advantage. College hockey was forcing him to do that. The WHL is not. I'm glad he's succeeding with Calgary, but really, we knew he had pure skill. It's not surprising.
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The bolded is key. I like his progress in the Dub but I really wish he stayed at NoDak.

Then again, I'm not Adam Tambellini so maybe it was the right choice.
 
nyr2k2 said:
I don't think "low quality" is correct. Junior hockey is comprised primarily of teenagers, whereas the college game features players well into their early-(and even mid-)twenties. The game is significantly different in the two settings. I think it's fair to say that they prepare you differently, and the two settings place different emphases on different attributes. One is not really of higher quality than the other, though. I mean, how much can you knock the largest player development league in the world?

What we're seeing from Tambellini in the WHL really reinforces why I think NCAA hockey was better for him developmentally. In juniors, he can dominate with his skill. He needs to continue to develop physically though, growing stronger and learning to use his frame to his advantage. College hockey was forcing him to do that. The WHL is not. I'm glad he's succeeding with Calgary, but really, we knew he had pure skill. It's not surprising.
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Yeah, and the development of prospects is very cyclicle so to speak.

Sometimes you can go back and see that there were a bunch of great players in the CHL, at other times there is only a handful. Canada has ups and downs too, haven't made it out the QF of the WJC's two straight years. For a while they won all games three tournaments in a row. Finland don't produce any good players, now all of a sudden a lot of young Finns impress me a lot. Swedish kids bron from 81' to 84' was not good. I am sure I am forgetting about someone, but I can only think of Steen, Enström and Nik Kronwall among the skaters during those 4 years. I am sure 20 really good kids will come from the 88-92 borns in Sweden.

Sometimes it will speak volumes if you are among the best players in the WHL, other times its less guidence.
 
Raspewtin said:
The bolded is key. I like his progress in the Dub but I really wish he stayed at NoDak.

Then again, I'm not Adam Tambellini so maybe it was the right choice.
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This is true. All I can do is form opinions based on a few viewings of the kid and scattered reports on his play and progress. There could have been a whole lot more to his struggles at UND than just struggling to adapt physically. Maybe that had nothing to do with it at all. No one here can say for sure.

It sounds like he and his family/advisers thought long and hard about the move. If they feel it was best for him, here's to hoping they were right.
 
Also worth noting is that of Tambellini's 27 points, 18 have come on the PP. I've knocked Kristo for looking like a PP specialist, but so far, Tambellini is taking it to a new level.
 
One thing I'm definitely happy about with Tambellini however, is that he's playing very well for a kid who's developmental league was the BCHL and a few months of college. The BCHL doesn't really produce a lot of NHL'ers, and is overall just not a good league. But the fact that he's making a really seamless transition is definitely encouraging.

The last player I remember to make such an easy jump from the BCHL to Major Juniors is Jamie Benn.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Also worth noting is that of Tambellini's 27 points, 18 have come on the PP. I've knocked Kristo for looking like a PP specialist, but so far, Tambellini is taking it to a new level.
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All four of his points last night were on the PP.

He's actually a - player, on one of the best teams in the WHL. The only other minus players on the team are players that have been traded to the Hitmen.
 
Raspewtin said:
The bolded is key. I like his progress in the Dub but I really wish he stayed at NoDak.

Then again, I'm not Adam Tambellini so maybe it was the right choice.
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This is a good point. Isn't he from BC? For all we know, he was miserable in North Dakota (I know I would be). Or perhaps the coach was giving him 5 min of ice time? Or maybe he has a close relative that's ailing? You never know what might have happened.

Of course, I've learned to be cautious about junior stats, especially from taller players and you'd like to see more 5v5 scoring, but by the same token, given the situation, what else would you ask of him? It's always better that he rack up the points than not.

A couple of positive things I have noticed based on my limited viewings of him: he's got good on-ice vision and I love the way he gets everything into his shot - there are a number of highlights where he ends up on one knee, because he's getting as much leverage on the shot as he can muster.

I'm not currently as optimistic about Tambellini as I am about Duclair or Buchnevich, but I'll be very curious to see how he does when he gets to the next level. Speaking of which, given that he was drafted out of the BCHL and he's already 19, theoretically he could play in HFD next year, couldn't he? (Which could be another reason he left early - to get as many games in as possible prior to going pro.)
 
Ola said:
Yeah, and the development of prospects is very cyclicle so to speak.

Sometimes you can go back and see that there were a bunch of great players in the CHL, at other times there is only a handful. Canada has ups and downs too, haven't made it out the QF of the WJC's two straight years. For a while they won all games three tournaments in a row. Finland don't produce any good players, now all of a sudden a lot of young Finns impress me a lot. Swedish kids bron from 81' to 84' was not good. I am sure I am forgetting about someone, but I can only think of Steen, Enström and Nik Kronwall among the skaters during those 4 years. I am sure 20 really good kids will come from the 88-92 borns in Sweden.

Sometimes it will speak volumes if you are among the best players in the WHL, other times its less guidence.
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Absolutely true... Overall Canada has iced the best set of forwards and defense prospects in the WJC the last 5 years with possibly Sweden giving them a run in terms of depth. But the one thing Canada hasn't had at the junior level is goaltending.

Just goes to show you how important good goaltending is. There hasn't been a single new young NHL starter that is Canadian in recent years. The closest is Brayden Holtby, and he isn't a work horse no 1. A big big reason why Canada hasn't won junior gold in years after absolutely dominating that tournament for half a decade.

They haven't had a great junior goalie in years... So much so that the CHL banned goalie imports from the Euro leagues so they can develop their own internally.
 
I haven't followed Tambo since his switch to juniors... the once vaunted UND program hasn't produced since Toews, Oshie, and Parise. JT Miller was set to go there, but man alive am I glad he went to Plymouth.

Danny Kristo is a UND product that came out after 4 years there and doesn't look to be nearly the complete player that a Toews, Oshie, and Parise are. Something tells me that the program went downhill. Given how wild kids can get in college, my guess is that UND became a party school in recent years.
 
If you aren't playing well at a program, it's as much the player as the program.

This is another example of the fact that the NCAA offers the best developmental competition in North America. Best schools, best hockey.
 
Fitzy said:
If you aren't playing well at a program, it's as much the player as the program.

This is another example of the fact that the NCAA offers the best developmental competition in North America. Best schools, best hockey.
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I know you're a big fan of the NCAA route and I think your bias is showing here, Fitzy. The kid left and is now playing better - that's all we know. It doesn't necessarily follow that the place he left provided the best developmental competition. (I'm not saying it doesn't, just pointing out that this isn't proof one way or the other.)
 
Fitzy said:
If you aren't playing well at a program, it's as much the player as the program.

This is another example of the fact that the NCAA offers the best developmental competition in North America. Best schools, best hockey.
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That's a matter of opinion. If a kid needs to mature physically.. I say go the NCAA route and take 3 years.

If a kid needs game experience, got the junior route so that he can play. It's all a matter of fit more than anything else. I don't care about the league that a kid plays in, I care about the program.

Kelowna, London, Moncton are three of most well funded junior programs out there that play a pro style system. Minnesota, and BC do the same for the NCAA.

Fit, need, resources, ice time. That's how I look at it.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
I know you're a big fan of the NCAA route and I think your bias is showing here, Fitzy. The kid left and is now playing better - that's all we know. It doesn't necessarily follow that the place he left provided the best developmental competition. (I'm not saying it doesn't, just pointing out that this isn't proof one way or the other.)
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Meanwhile North Dakota is 8-2 since Tambellini left.

Just a few months ago Tambellini and his 'advisors' thought North Dakota was the route to go. A few months later the team that holds his CHL rights is having a great season, then all of a sudden after going home for the holidays it was not the right decision. There goes stability right out the window.
 
Bluenote13 said:
Meanwhile North Dakota is 8-2 since Tambellini left.

Just a few months ago Tambellini and his 'advisors' thought North Dakota was the route to go. A few months later the team that holds his CHL rights is having a great season, then all of a sudden after going home for the holidays it was not the right decision. There goes stability right out the window.
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He's a kid. I don't expect stability with a kid. He at least left early and didn't make a big deal of it.
 
Bluenote13 said:
Meanwhile North Dakota is 8-2 since Tambellini left.

Just a few months ago Tambellini and his 'advisors' thought North Dakota was the route to go. A few months later the team that holds his CHL rights is having a great season, then all of a sudden after going home for the holidays it was not the right decision. There goes stability right out the window.
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Looks like the divorce worked out well for both parties involved.
 
Bird Law said:
He's a kid. I don't expect stability with a kid. He at least left early and didn't make a big deal of it.
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I understand better than anyone. I was 6 weeks away from going to U of Alaska at that age and decided against it.

But I wasn't a 3rd round draft pick(first NYR pick of 2013).

And left early ? He was halfway through the season. Some might say his decision affects North Dakota the most. I'm sure they don't think of this as 'not a big deal'.
 
Bluenote13 said:
I understand better than anyone. I was 6 weeks away from going to U of Alaska at that age and decided against it.

But I wasn't a 3rd round draft pick(first NYR pick of 2013).

And left early ? He was halfway through the season. Some might say his decision affects North Dakota the most. I'm sure they don't think of this as 'not a big deal'.
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Halfway through the season is early. He did it during winter break when he was able to talk with his family. This isn't a surprising time for someone to leave a school. Leaving after a semester happens all the time.

It's likely the kid hated the environment from day one. He gave it a semester and made the switch after. I can't say anything bad about that decision.

It's hard to blame a kid for going back closer to home. Far from a Nigel Williams situation, too.
 
Bird Law said:
Halfway through the season is early. He did it during winter break when he was able to talk with his family. This isn't a surprising time for someone to leave a school. Leaving after a semester happens all the time.

It's likely the kid hated the environment from day one. He gave it a semester and made the switch after. I can't say anything bad about that decision.

It's hard to blame a kid for going back closer to home. Far from a Nigel Williams situation, too.
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I hope your right and its not just another spoiled kid who never gave a change of scenery(and responsibility) a chance.
 
Bluenote13 said:
I hope your right and its not just another spoiled kid who never gave a change of scenery(and responsibility) a chance.
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Well, I don't expect much from a 3rd round pick normally. If he pans out, he pans out. I think his play in the WHL is certainly indicative of his talent level. I mean, in all honesty, North Dakota is a terrible state to live in. Particularly when it's snowing. Which is always.
 
Bird Law said:
Well, I don't expect much from a 3rd round pick normally. If he pans out, he pans out. I think his play in the WHL is certainly indicative of his talent level. I mean, in all honesty, North Dakota is a terrible state to live in. Particularly when it's snowing. Which is always.
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Because Calgary is so much better.
 
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