2012 CBA/Lockout talk Part VIII..IT'S OVER!!!!!!

[Spooner st]

In my book...what the players are doing for the game...is make it a sport for the riches.

It's already difficult to average people to attend a game with the family, so imagine in a few years wen the average salary is 5m per.

 

[Ladyfan]

So you don't blame the players but refuse to buy concessions because you blame the owners and want to "hurt them in the pocket book"?

This argument always seems to confuse me when people are 100% behind the players and 0% behind the owners and use the "not spending my money" argument as a form of sticking it to the owners.

This argument affects the players equally. 50% of what you spend goes directly to them.

There are other ways to financially impact the owners without financially affecting the players - if in fact you are 100% behind the players.

Dom, I am not 100% behind the players on this. I think the blame for this mess is both sides . I just won't boo the players over this because they are just doing what their leader is advising them to do. IMO this should/ could have been resolved months ago.

I have never said I refuse to buy concessions because I want to hurt the owners in the pocket book. I never spent much on concessions (or other merchandise) and will continue in this mode.

 

[ronwm]

I won't boo the players as I am not blaming them for this mess.

Bettman deserves all the boos he gets. No one really liked him much before so I don't think he has improved his image. Jacobs was starting to get some respect but that will be gone now.

Most of the STH I know will return. We love our B's /hockey . It's always fun to see everyone after the Summer break. Folks will be happy hockey is back but this season has been danaged by this .

I hope folks tip the people who pour their beer and hand them the popcorn. Sure the prices for this stuff is crazy but it is not the fault of the folks working the concession stands. Keep in mind many of these folks have been having a tough time.

If this was Reddit, I would upvote this like crazy....

...and I can't wait until this is all over so people here can argue about trades and line changes again.

 

[DominicT]

Such as? Inquiring minds would like to know.

Sure here's a small list for you:

-Pay everything by credit card including tickets. - does not affect players share of HRR and owners lose 1.5% off the top - 4% if you use American Express.

-Don't go to AHL affiliated games where they have the same owner.

-Boycott anything to do with ownership's other business ventures.

-Purchase tickets from any source not affiliated to the team.

-Boycott skills competitions and such things. Players do get a share of that but not 50%.

-Boycott corporate sponsors of the teams to send a message. League and teams already have their money and will not affect HRR. Sends a message to all involved.

-For non-hockey events in an arena, don't buy anything other than your tickets. Take public transit where teams own their own parking, avoid concessions, whatever.

There are plenty of ways to hurt the owners pocket book without affecting the players pocket book.

If truly that is the intention.

 

[Rookie Chargers]

Kate...I didn't mean you From what I have seen and know of you hockey would be enjoyable to you even without beer.

I believe fans will start off not spending as much but it won't take long to get back to where the spending was before. ..Maybe not as much with the jerseys and souvenirs at first anyway.

I hope (as Ratty has posted) we all remember to tip the people who work there. It's not their fault and sometimes they feel the brunt of the fans displeasure. I have heard fans give them crap about the prices.

Neither will I.

Some fans go to a game to buy beer.

This whole mess has gotten to the point of ''Incomprehensible''.

 

[Gordoff]

Thanks bro...Anything to stay amused during this dilemma.

 

[Gee Wally]

What fans will do.........what fans won't do........when they eventually return to play.

That in and of itself is what both sides bank on. Literally.

We are the enablers of this. We are as addicted to hockey as some are to crack.

Right or wrong doesn't enter that picture. It is reality.

 

[DOGSTARMAN]

What fans will do.........what fans won't do........when they eventually return to play.
That in and of itself is what both sides bank on. Literally.
We are the enablers of this. We are as addicted to hockey as some are to crack.
Right or wrong doesn't enter that picture. It is reality.

Wally, I take the point you are making but I do object to those kinds of comparisons. If nothing else, I take issue with the idea that the fans are somehow "flawed" or characterogically weak, or however you want to put it, to just want to watch their top-tier hockey and enjoy that level of play and entertainment. There's no "addition," it's a choice - and right or wrong does not apply IMO.

I fully admit, as disillusioned as I am with the NHL after the past few lockouts, I'll be watching from Game 1 and cheering the Bruins, NHL hockey in general, etc. I don't feel like there's any shame or guilt from saying that and I don't actually see it enabling the dysfunction of the NHL. They will in fact pay a steep price in ways that go way beyond the impact that any "fan action" will have.

 

[Gee Wally]

Wally, I take the point you are making but I do object to those kinds of comparisons. If nothing else, I take issue with the idea that the fans are somehow "flawed" or characterogically weak, or however you want to put it, to just want to watch their top-tier hockey and enjoy that level of play and entertainment. There's no "addition," it's a choice - and right or wrong does not apply IMO.

I fully admit, as disillusioned as I am with the NHL after the past few lockouts, I'll be watching from Game 1 and cheering the Bruins, NHL hockey in general, etc. I don't feel like there's any shame or guilt from saying that and I don't actually see it enabling the dysfunction of the NHL. They will in fact pay a steep price in ways that go way beyond the impact that any "fan action" will have.

If you, or anybody took offense, that wasn't my intention.

But I will stand by my opinion. Generally speaking. If we were 'normal' would we be here day in and day out? When Dupes dubbed us 'The Lunatic Fringe' I had to agree. Although the sport we love is a niche sport, we are the niche that provides it life. We will continue to do that. They know it too. That's what gives them the gall to do this as well as plan on future revenue.

So, I don't look at myself as flawed either. I look at myself as someone that has and will have a lifetime love for something that doesn't love me back but certainely has an advantage of knowing how I feel and can count on my affection.

 

[Shaun]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
This could still derail but sources feeling positive at this point... Stay tuned

 

[ksp1957]

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
This could still derail but sources feeling positive at this point... Stay tuned

I've been staying tuned off and on since this started. I won't believe it's over until the 'regular' season actually starts.

 

[Ladyfan]

If you, or anybody took offense, that wasn't my intention.

But I will stand by my opinion. Generally speaking. If we were 'normal' would we be here day in and day out? When Dupes dubbed us 'The Lunatic Fringe' I had to agree. Although the sport we love is a niche sport, we are the niche that provides it life. We will continue to do that. They know it too. That's what gives them the gall to do this as well as plan on future revenue.

So, I don't look at myself as flawed either. I look at myself as someone that has and will have a lifetime love for something that doesn't love me back but certainely has an advantage of knowing how I feel and can count on my affection.

Well said. You speak for many of here with those words.

 

[DKH]

When the NFL used replacement players during strike I was so mad I vowed never, ever, ka-never, to pay for anything NFL related again (I stuck to my guns until they got Flutie- of course, still in replacement season)

 

[Gee Wally]

Somebody help me out.

The last time we went through this was there Twitter?

It is to me one part informative while also one part pain in the ass.

Seems any old yo yo can put something out there as fact.

 

[ranold26]

If we get a new NHL CBA deal, the hockey world needs to thank and name a trophy after Scot Beckenbaugh. Put him in the HHOF. LOL Seriously, not joking.

 

[ranold26]

Somebody help me out.

The last time we went through this was there Twitter?

No, it was created in '06. It didn't start getting big until years later

It is to me one part informative while also one part pain in the ass.

Seems any old yo yo can put something out there as fact.

Yep.

 

[JRull86]

Somebody help me out.

The last time we went through this was there Twitter?

It is to me one part informative while also one part pain in the ass.

Seems any old yo yo can put something out there as fact.

Nope it wasn't around back then. Twitter is both a blessing and a curse for stuff like this. On one hand you have people like LeBrun, MacKenzie, etc., posting real time updates which is great. But you also have random people who make stuff up, but it trends and becomes "fact" because people are too stupid to realize it's fake.

 

[Artemis]

If you, or anybody took offense, that wasn't my intention.

But I will stand by my opinion. Generally speaking. If we were 'normal' would we be here day in and day out? When Dupes dubbed us 'The Lunatic Fringe' I had to agree. Although the sport we love is a niche sport, we are the niche that provides it life. We will continue to do that. They know it too. That's what gives them the gall to do this as well as plan on future revenue.

So, I don't look at myself as flawed either. I look at myself as someone that has and will have a lifetime love for something that doesn't love me back but certainely has an advantage of knowing how I feel and can count on my affection.

Everybody has an interest in something in their lives; that's what keeps people going. Whether it's music or Civil War re-enacting or model trains or dog training or the Boston Bruins, our passions give us a reason to embrace life. Labeling hockey fans as the "lunatic fringe" irritates me. People who have zest for something interesting/exciting are not lunatics.

 

[thegodfather]

Everybody has an interest in something in their lives; that's what keeps people going. Whether it's music or Civil War re-enacting or model trains or dog training or the Boston Bruins, our passions give us a reason to embrace life. Labeling hockey fans as the "lunatic fringe" irritates me. People who have zest for something interesting/exciting are not lunatics.

The term "lunatic fringe" doesn't bother me so much because I always thought it was because the way we treated each other on here.

Take any GDT or goalie debate or Bergeron over Krejci; you have to admit, it's a little loonie...

But then we have Wally's post, basically apologizing if he offended someone with the choice of words he used in his post.

As for this lockout, well there was a time I could name players as they scanned the benches and I watched any games that were on TV because I loved the game of hockey.

Then the last lockout happened and I found myself turning off games to watch other things or do other things. If Boston was on no matter what I watched though.

But my interest faded and it will fade even further after this one I fear.

I've never attended a live NHL game and now I think I never will.

 

[DOGSTARMAN]

Well, like the total gullible fool I must be, I am once again going to stalk the news today because it sounds like there are positive signs and perhaps something is at hand. As others are saying, this mediator needs to turn in his cash and credit cards because he should never have to pay for something again if there's a hockey owner or player or fans around.

 

[Ladyfan]

If this was Reddit, I would upvote this like crazy....

...and I can't wait until this is all over so people here can argue about trades and line changes again.

I am old and have no idea what Reddit is

I agree that it will be good to have this over as talking about this is getting so old.

 

[thegodfather]

Well, like the total gullible fool I must be, I am once again going to stalk the news today because it sounds like there are positive signs and perhaps something is at hand. As others are saying, this mediator needs to turn in his cash and credit cards because he should never have to pay for something again if there's a hockey owner or player or fans around.

Well here is a quick update for you from TSN.

The National Hockey League and the Players' Association will meet face-to-face along with a mediator in hopes of trying to end the 112 day lockout. "Well, if its a close as we're sensing it could be a very 'good day' according to source," tweeted TSN's Darren Dreger.

 

[Ladyfan]

When the NFL used replacement players during strike I was so mad I vowed never, ever, ka-never, to pay for anything NFL related again (I stuck to my guns until they got Flutie- of course, still in replacement season)

Dan, See you and Julia at the Garden soon.

 

[Ladyfan]

The term "lunatic fringe" doesn't bother me so much because I always thought it was because the way we treated each other on here.

Take any GDT or goalie debate or Bergeron over Krejci; you have to admit, it's a little loonie...

But then we have Wally's post, basically apologizing if he offended someone with the choice of words he used in his post.

As for this lockout, well there was a time I could name players as they scanned the benches and I watched any games that were on TV because I loved the game of hockey.

Then the last lockout happened and I found myself turning off games to watch other things or do other things. If Boston was on no matter what I watched though.

But my interest faded and it will fade even further after this one I fear.

I've never attended a live NHL game and now I think I never will.

Jamie, This statement makes me sad.

I really hope to see you at the Garden someday.

 

[cat400]

Great day for the the Little General, Bettman, to come off his high horse and reach a new CBA deal with the players.

He can highlight today's USA's WJC victory as a sign of how hockey is growing south of the 49th since the league expanded to 30 teams under his wonderful guidance.

Then hopefully after the puck drops on the 19th, Gary will announce that he is moving on to pursue other interests: his parting gift to the hockey fans.