2007 Born for the 2023 Draft

[GermanSpitfire]

But why do you need it? You would like it, but you don't need it. Maybe there are legitimate privacy concerns or maybe they don't want people that actually don't have a professional use for it to have it (officially). I know if my kid was a potential top pick I'd avoid giving info to the people on these and other forums. Many people on here are quite honestly immature, petty and prone to personally attacking the character and attributes of the kids playing in the leagues.

Again...so....The people that actually need the information (i.e scouts and gm's that are hired and paid by the teams) have the information that is needed. Once more it's a WANT not a NEED and players/parents should have the option/right to provide or not.

I have access to all the games and have watched the kids enough to know their games and where most stand. It’s for my own curiosity, obviously and it‘s always nice to put a stat line behind a name to give myself confirmation bias.

You’re right though, it’s definitely a want - not a need.

for what its worth i think the top two picks will be the following

1. schaefer
2. roobroeck

Ethan Weir at 5, too from what I know.

 

[Houndzfan20]

TY.

Wondering if SSM tries to add a 3rd round pick.

i'd definitely be calling Ottawa and offering a 3rd and one of next year's fourths for a 3rd this year

 

[OHL4Life]

I have access to all the games and have watched the kids enough to know their games and where most stand. It’s for my own curiosity, obviously and it‘s always nice to put a stat line behind a name to give myself confirmation bias.

You’re right though, it’s definitely a want - not a need.


Ethan Weir at 5, too from what I know.

weir was when they thought they were getting schaefer, as weir and shaefer share the same agent. now that roobroeck is going 2, the weir deal fell through.

 

[charberoo]

So looks like SSM is happy and they will get their man, Martin at 3….

 

[GermanSpitfire]

So looks like SSM is happy and they will get their man, Martin at 3….

This draft is as much about parents and agents power as it is about who’s the most talented.

I wouldn’t count your chickens before they hatch…

 

[charberoo]

Fair enough. Not a Soo fan, just remembered a previous fan’s post saying how much they wanted him. Selfishly, I would like to see him stay in the Midwest Division for proximity or even Central.

 

[HockeyPops]

Also to be fair, the Greyhounds may have different targets in mind than a Soo fan.

 

[ColtsNLeafs]

The draft for years now (first round) has been more of a NCAA approach than an actual draft. Its a recruiting process more than a draft. Teams and payers/parents/agents have deals in place well beforehand or at the very list have a list of a handful of teams they will go to

 

[rve24]

it use to be right on the alliance page, its no longer there due to all the complaints. i get it, i think the stats shouldbe public but at the same time ive heard way to many bad parents stat stories

Absolutely. I'd add some selective staff to that group of stories as well.

 

[OHL4Life]

Absolutely. I'd add some selective staff to that group of stories as well.

no question, i was a coach of a very bad aaa team back in the day and the drama around stats just on our team was awful, and no one was going to the nhl from our group

 

[Logosarejusttargets]

no question, i was a coach of a very bad aaa team back in the day and the drama around stats just on our team was awful, and no one was going to the nhl from our group

Nothing like the parents telling their kids and anyone else who will listen their kids TOI, FO%, hits etc...Parents ruin youth sports.

 

[donjohnson]

The draft for years now (first round) has been more of a NCAA approach than an actual draft. Its a recruiting process more than a draft. Teams and payers/parents/agents have deals in place well beforehand or at the very list have a list of a handful of teams they will go to

This was for sure true for Saginaw especially before the compensatory pick. While Saginaw finally has developed a solid reputation in the league, for many years, players would refuse to come here both for trades and for draft picks. That's why we would end up trading only for picks and drafting players higher than they were projected because a deal was in place for them to report. Even somewhat recently I believe a deal was in place for Will Cuylle a few years ago and then Peterborough grabbed him out of the blue. We then took a flyer on Perfetti and convinced him to report and it worked out really well but there was definitely no deal in place for him. Now, with the reputation of the team and coaches, it seems like the Spirit have a much larger group to draft from (I'm sure some still won't report) and can even take a chance on a guy like Fantilli and try to recruit him. Again, this is a stance I think they'll look to take next year.

 

[bobber]

Nothing like the parents telling their kids and anyone else who will listen their kids TOI, FO%, hits etc...Parents ruin youth sports.

Even house some house league parents can't be quiet and let the kids play the game and have fun. Parents get ignorant as hell. Almost coming to blows all hoping their kid gets that five dollar fake gold trophy over some other parents child. Kids grow up and the trophies are in a moldy cardboard box sitting on a table in a garage sale. Can't imagine what Triple A is like.

 

[DeletedAccountt]

We have 3 3rds and a late 2nd (Sarnia). We can trade up for your 2nd? Be creative, us Northern Teamsgotta stick together!

creative you say? ok!

2nd round pick in 2026 for your 3rd in 2023 and a 10th in 2026

LOL

 

[Wolf on a Wire]

creative you say? ok!

2nd round pick in 2026 for your 3rd in 2023 and a 10th in 2026

LOL

You are off the creative spectrum my Northern friend…

 

[OMG67]

This was for sure true for Saginaw especially before the compensatory pick. While Saginaw finally has developed a solid reputation in the league, for many years, players would refuse to come here both for trades and for draft picks. That's why we would end up trading only for picks and drafting players higher than they were projected because a deal was in place for them to report. Even somewhat recently I believe a deal was in place for Will Cuylle a few years ago and then Peterborough grabbed him out of the blue. We then took a flyer on Perfetti and convinced him to report and it worked out really well but there was definitely no deal in place for him. Now, with the reputation of the team and coaches, it seems like the Spirit have a much larger group to draft from (I'm sure some still won't report) and can even take a chance on a guy like Fantilli and try to recruit him. Again, this is a stance I think they'll look to take next year.

It is definitely awesome that Saginaw and even Flint with their recent struggles with ownership have cemented themselves as foundational franchises o for the OHL. Mad respect goes out the the management teams that have found a way to garner the support, not only in their communities but in the hockey community in general.

 

[BigHitter67]

Just want to note how bizarre this is. I understand the issues regarding parents meddling, etc., but it is pretty ridiculous that I can find stats from the Romania 3rd league on Elite Prospects but stats are hidden for players in the best 16U league in Canada during the year.

you’re in the minor hockey trenches of the G - ( parent ,player , coach , administrator etc)

Alliance Stats:

Player Stats | 2022-2023 - ALLIANCE Hockey Pavilion (AAA)

GameSheet is your source for always up-to-date scores, standings, schedules and player stats.

gamesheetstats.com

I am sure scouts and various leagues can get early access to the information...for a price. It's likely just a cash grab and has nothing to do with "protecting the kids".

I doubt it . G is simply doing what ALL minor hockey associations should be doing ! I notice that HEO has followed suit and stopped posting stats this past season.
Unless you’ve been in the minor hockey trenches ( as coach , admin ,parent player etc) you can’t begin to understand the absolute shit storms caused in posting stats . People are F ing bonkers !!!Sad state of affairs

 

[Houndzfan20]

This draft is as much about parents and agents power as it is about who’s the most talented.

I wouldn’t count your chickens before they hatch…

I'd be taking him anyway. We could get a lot for him and 2 picks in the next draft.

Best case he reports and plays. Other best, he doesn't and we rebuild the right way.

Hoping he would report tho. Seems like a kid that just wants to play and loves the game and the hounds faithful love those types of players.

 

[hockeynorth]

i thought rooboreck was consensus 1st OA?

 

[GermanSpitfire]

i thought rooboreck was consensus 1st OA?

Not anymore, things have changed since i’d say around February, and only got amplified at the OHL cup.

 

[Mata]

 

[DeletedAccountt]

I've heard top 3 are all locked in already.

 

[Houndzfan20]

I've heard top 3 are all locked in already.

Martin I'm hoping?

 

[Postulates]

I've heard top 3 are all locked in already.

Yeah
1. Schaefer
2. RR (i always forget how to spell his last name so i wont even try)
3. Martin

 

[HUSH10]

Yeah
1. Schaefer
2. RR (i always forget how to spell his last name so i wont even try)
3. Martin

I dont think Roobroeck will report to Niagara is what I am told