Speculation: 2 years away. Do you think Matthews accepts a slight raise OR takes us to the cleaners next contract?

[LeafEgo]

We're not paying people any differently than anybody else.

We do, and we will see.

RFA Kirill: 5 years / 11.04%
RFA Makar: 6 years / 11.04%
RFA Marner: 6 years / 13.38% (whoops)

UFA Landy: 8 years / 8.59%
UFA Willy: 8 years / _____ ??

UFA Mack: 8 years / 15.27%
UFA Matty: 8 years / _____ ??

We all know how it will play out.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We do, and we will see.

RFA Kirill: 5 years / 11.04%
RFA Makar: 6 years / 11.04%
RFA Marner: 6 years / 13.38%

We don't, and nothing you posted there suggests otherwise.

Makar was a defenseman so not sure what you think he has to do with Marner. He got one of the biggest post-ELC defenseman contracts ever, for the record.
Kaprizov is at least a forward, but Kaprizov also entered the NHL in his mid-20s, signed for a year less term, put up a much lesser pace, didn't PK, and only played 55 NHL games.

Good job finding horrible comparables?

Not to mention that both were signed during the pandemic flat cap.

 

[zeke]

Makar signing that deal was truly stupid.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

14.34 per is my guess . Rising cap . Gonna be monstrous contract for one of the top players in the league .

 

[zeke]

You gotta think that after already earning $60m and being on track to earn another $100m the next contract, and after watching other stars win by not getting paid max money, the likes of Matthews would be a little more interested in cementing their legacy with some cups rather than squeezing out every short term penny. That kind of legacy should be more lucrative longterm regardless, let alone just the personal pride and satisfaction end of the deal.

 

[Hellcat]

I'm as optimistic as anyone about Knies but 45-60 points is probably realistic expectations.

I don't think they can keep Nylander after his current contract. Better yet, if the team flops again in the 1st round, there should be zero appetite to bring a large chunk of this group back, at some point you are as you appear; a group of losers.

Knies is going to surprise a lot of people. in a good way

 

[ToneDog]

True, the five year contract would be higher than the eight, not less.

You're going to have a difficult time defending Mattys next contract while simultaneously laughing at the idea that Mack signed a discount.

Toronto can't be the only team paying 'fair value', while everyone else signs their stars for less. The Avs will be paying Mack, Makar, and Landy a total of 28.6M the year after we re-sign Matty and Nylander with Marner on the books. Accounting for a 5% cap increase, to match them our budget for the three amigos that season is 30M. But that won't happen, overpayments were established years ago.

He probably won't be around. If he is lucky Dubas will land somewhere in the NHL and then he can shill on that team board.

We do, and we will see.

RFA Kirill: 5 years / 11.04%
RFA Makar: 6 years / 11.04%
RFA Marner: 6 years / 13.38% (whoops)

UFA Landy: 8 years / 8.59%
UFA Willy: 8 years / _____ ??

UFA Mack: 8 years / 15.27%
UFA Matty: 8 years / _____ ??

We all know how it will play out.

Maybe by the time the next negotiations start, we have a GM who won't get bent over the negotiation table. (before the usual suspects chime in, that GM could be your boy).

 

[SeaOfBlue]

One was 3 years longer. That's the problem

No, it would have been for the same length.

Matthews signed 14.64% for 5 years.

 

[Racer88]

It's been reported a lot, he wanted 8, but the AAV was going to be higher so they took 5 to fit in everyone

Auston Matthews' Monster $58 Million Deal Includes A Full No-Move Clause

The deal to sign Auston Matthews to an $11.634 million annual contract includes a full no-move clause in the final year of the contract.

www.forbes.com

"Negotiations with Matthews began last July and over time meetings were held in Los Angeles and Toronto. The issue of team captaincy never came up. Matthews began seeking an eight-year contract. Talks would often go quiet. A couple of weeks ago a six-hour meeting in Toronto appeared to be the breakthrough in getting the deal done."

is the quote from this article, but lots of people reported it other than here and it has been discussed a lot because there is this false narrative he took 5 so he could leave.

I sure hope the 5 doesn’t come back to bite them in the butt. I guess we will know next year

 

[notbias]

I sure hope the 5 doesn’t come back to bite them in the butt. I guess we will know next year

if it ends up being 8, we pretty much got all his prime years, would be perfect

 

[Racer88]

if it ends up being 8, we pretty much got all his prime years, would be perfect

That would be awesome

 

[thewave]

Create a subsidy? What the hell does that even mean?

So not only is it not enough that big market teams (like the Leafs) have to do the revenue sharing BS to keep teams like Arizona afloat, but now they have to pay into some kind of subsidy so they can potentially take away their franchise players? That would be a fantastic way to cause a riot in Leafs nation and put the entire NHL in jeopardy. Nothing like that would ever happen.

I know it sounds crazy but it's already happened. The league has already paid for them, sorry, your purchases and support of Toronto has helped pay for the team there in the past. Instead of letting terrible teams fail they just want more and more teams and to use popular fanbases to aid the franchise welfare.

In December 2008, the media became aware the Coyotes were suffering massive losses and that the NHL was paying the team's bills. The media reports were minimized by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and vice-president Bill Daly. However, Moyes had secretly given operational control of the team to the league. -Wikipedia

 

[Al14]

If Matthews takes our Leafs to the cleaners on his next contract, then he's only all about making himself a fortune. I hope he's not greedy and realizes hockey is a team game!

If he wants to win Stanley Cups, and establish himself as a Toronto Maple Leaf legend, he'll leave money on the table to allow our Leaf management to surrounded him with better support players.

When Marner's contract is up, he better not ask for much of a raise!!!

JMHO.

 

[ToneDog]

I know it sounds crazy but it's already happened. The league has already paid for them, sorry, your purchases and support of Toronto has helped pay for the team there in the past. Instead of letting terrible teams fail they just want more and more teams and to use popular fanbases to aid the franchise welfare.

Spoiler alert, Gary bet everything on hockey in Arizona succeeding.

If Matthews takes our Leafs to the cleaners on his next contract, then he's only all about making himself a fortune. I hope he's not greedy and realizes hockey is a team game!

If he wants to win Stanley Cups, and establish himself as a Toronto Maple Leaf legend, he'll leave money on the table to allow our Leaf management to surrounded him with better support players.

When Marner's contract is up, he better not ask for much of a raise!!!

JMHO.

They can and they will.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Knies is going to surprise a lot of people. in a good way

I hope I am wrong

 

[Menzinger]

You gotta think that after already earning $60m and being on track to earn another $100m the next contract, and after watching other stars win by not getting paid max money, the likes of Matthews would be a little more interested in cementing their legacy with some cups rather than squeezing out every short term penny. That kind of legacy should be more lucrative longterm regardless, let alone just the personal pride and satisfaction end of the deal.

I also doubt he maxes out despite what some think. It's not exactly standard behavior for stars to do that, and Matthews doesn't strike me as any major outlier amongst those guys.

He'll definitely carry the highest aav at the time of signing. Only question is by how much

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I've said it before, will say it again, I think he takes less. I think he takes somewhere near his current caphit give or take a million. I think he is already rich AF, he is no longer 20 and having his parents involved saying "you aren't ripping off my kid because he is young". Same as Mitch. These guys want to win, and they are NOT ignorant that their contracts have been why Hyman and Campbell have left most recently.

If they take more Bunts will be right after, and then who knows who else. However my caveat is only if Dubas is still GM because I think the core trusts him and I think they respect him. One issue with taking less is watching your GM hand out 4x4 contracts to Gudbranson for example. Dubas hasn't done that. That money would be used to retain legit talent.

I think Matthews and Marner talk a lot and will be on the same page. Do they both want to stay? Matthews sets Marner's ceiling. Marner signing another 8 year 11M still makes him rich AF, and honestly with the cap going the way it is 11M will be the next 8M within 5 years.

I think we get Matthews and Marner locked in for under 25 million combined



Honestly Friedman speculates the cap jumps to 92 million by 2025 (when this kicks in) so this would be an absolute steal by a few years in so long as he doesn't decline rapidly. I think Matthews is elite until his early 30's so this contract would be fine with me as a worst case.

Yes, Matthews and Marner talk a lot and are on the same page. They will both squeeze every penny out of the Leafs or they walk. There will be no discount. There will be no self-reflection. There will be no hand wringing over team success or lack thereof.

 

[deprw]

There is lots of hockey to be played before we can sign him. We might fail heavily, have new GM and lots of inner turbulence. We can also be Stanley Cup winners and Matthews is hailed as king of the city. Or everything and anything between.

If I have to guess it's from 13.34 million per season to 14.34 million per season and 8 years. Front loaded as hell. Everytime you bet for franchise player to resign you usually win. There is one anomaly last two decades.

In capless world Rangers could overpay him, but in cap world it is hard.

 

[Jojalu]

Yes, Matthews and Marner talk a lot and are on the same page. They will both squeeze every penny out of the Leafs or they walk. There will be no discount. There will be no self-reflection. There will be no hand wringing over team success or lack thereof.

You say this based on intuition?

 

[Sypher04]

Yes, Matthews and Marner talk a lot and are on the same page. They will both squeeze every penny out of the Leafs or they walk. There will be no discount. There will be no self-reflection. There will be no hand wringing over team success or lack thereof.

Don’t believe anyone asked for the clearly well informed opinions of a Rangers fan on the matter?

 

[LeafGrief]

I think he's going to ask for a fat contract and I genuinely do not care. He can have it if he wants it. Blank check, the C, whatever he wants, we're going to give it to him and you won't hear a peep of complaint out of me.

It'd be better if he leaves money on the table, but it's not his job to subsidize the third line.

 

[Sypher04]

He’s gonna get 14-15M probably and be worth every penny

 

[Rabid Ranger]

You say this based on intuition?

History. How often do pro athletes take discounts? Why are Matthewe and Marner any different?

 

[BayStBullies]

We do, and we will see.

RFA Kirill: 5 years / 11.04%
RFA Makar: 6 years / 11.04%
RFA Marner: 6 years / 13.38% (whoops)

UFA Landy: 8 years / 8.59%
UFA Willy: 8 years / _____ ??

UFA Mack: 8 years / 15.27%
UFA Matty: 8 years / _____ ??

We all know how it will play out.

Now compensate for the difference in taxes. There is a reason you're misleading this conversation with Colorado players. The Wild are also advantaged, even if not as much as the Avs.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Don’t believe anyone asked for the clearly well informed opinions of a Rangers fan on the matter?

Right, this is a sacred space. Just an opinion. Being a Rangers fan has nothing to do with it. I would suggest the same with my own favorite team.