Speculation: 2 years away. Do you think Matthews accepts a slight raise OR takes us to the cleaners next contract?

[WTFMAN99]

Why?



Tavaras contract will be done in a few years, he wont get the same stupid contact, that opens cap for Willie, Mitch and AM. I'm banking on Knies replacing Tavares's offence.

I'm as optimistic as anyone about Knies but 45-60 points is probably realistic expectations.

I don't think they can keep Nylander after his current contract. Better yet, if the team flops again in the 1st round, there should be zero appetite to bring a large chunk of this group back, at some point you are as you appear; a group of losers.

 

[Hellcat]

If you consider that no player in modern hockey history has scored as many goals per game as Matthews, anyone's resistance to paying him like a future HOF should go away.

1) Matty 0.636 GPG
2) Ovechkin 0.612 GPG
3) Stamkos 0.552 GPG
4) McDavid 0.491 GPG
5) Pastrnak 0.471 GPG

If you are wondering all time where he stands vs the greats

1) Bossy 0.762 GPG
2) Lemieux 0.754 GPG
3) Denneny 0.751 GPG
4) "Babe" Dye 0.746 GPG
5) Matty 0.636 GPG

Denneny and Dye played in the early 1900's.

If there is confusion to where Mitch stands vs his modern day peers:

1) McDavid 0.940 APG
2) Crosby 0.805 APG
3) Panarin 0.752 APG
4) Marner 0.742 APG
5) Malkin 0.716 APG

Keep in mind Mitch plays in every situation PP, PK, EV most of the guys on that list don't and he still produces at an elite rate.

You can dislike players because you don't like their face but you can't deny both are elite elite elite modern day stars and deserve to get paid like elite elite elite modern day stars.

 

[notbias]

I would be interested to hear proof of that

It's been reported a lot, he wanted 8, but the AAV was going to be higher so they took 5 to fit in everyone

Auston Matthews' Monster $58 Million Deal Includes A Full No-Move Clause

The deal to sign Auston Matthews to an $11.634 million annual contract includes a full no-move clause in the final year of the contract.

www.forbes.com

"Negotiations with Matthews began last July and over time meetings were held in Los Angeles and Toronto. The issue of team captaincy never came up. Matthews began seeking an eight-year contract. Talks would often go quiet. A couple of weeks ago a six-hour meeting in Toronto appeared to be the breakthrough in getting the deal done."

is the quote from this article, but lots of people reported it other than here and it has been discussed a lot because there is this false narrative he took 5 so he could leave.

 

[Notsince67]

Not that hard, you re-sign Matthews to whatever deal he's asking for over 8 years. When Marner comes up for FA, his contract and Tavares comes off the books. They'll have enough for Marner or if they really want to play it right, if McDavid hasn't signed yet and is also a UFA they can use the Marner + Tavares $ on him. Tavares can probably be retained on a cheap vet deal but Marner would be tasked with taking whatever is left after McDavid comes here or walks in UFA. Sure it means Marner wouldn't be back most likely but if I'm tying up around $30 million in 2 players, I'd rather it be Matthews + McDavid than Matthews + Marner.

McDavid is up a year after Marner. A 1 year deal with Marner would cost the team $16MM+ if you want to wait to see if you could get MacDavid. If you want a cheaper cap, you will need to sign Marner for term for at least 13mm

 

[LeafEgo]

He is going to back up a brinks truck and the leafs will ask what denominations of cash he would prefer as well as his requested amount. This ain't going to go the way you fantasize.

I expect it to go about the same way you do.

 

[Dekes For Days]

We took the unusual route of already paying him as if he were a 60 goal scorer before he was.

No we didn't. We paid him for being one of the best young players in the entire cap era, consistent with other post-ELC contracts.

Unless we win a cup, or at the very least he tears up the playoffs Mack style, his bump should simply match inflation of the cap.

You're basing his contract on things that aren't significantly relevant to his contract valuation. He'll be paid appropriately for the quality of player he is, like everybody else.

So 12-12.5M for five years, or 13.5-14M for eight years.

This is a UFA contract. Less years would be more expensive, not less.

Unless he applies a discount like Mack did.

Lol.

Mattys cap hit percentage on an eight year deal would have been over 16% (year one), and that was an rfa contract so not quite a bargain. McDavids was 15.7%.

McDavid had a negotiated cap hit percentage of 17.67%, and post-discount, ended on a cap hit percentage of 16.67%. Matthews was also closer to McDavid through his pre-signing period than many want to admit.

 

[tmlms13]

McDavids was 16.7%.

That is why Matthews wanted 16%.

And that is absolutely fair.

One was 3 years longer. That's the problem

 

[JT AM da real deal]

We will end up resigning Matty next summer to top AAV $$$ pretty much on whatever terms he desires which will be top of pyramid .. then when Mitch wants near same amount it won't happen and a trade will occur for Mitch .. most of you are not gonna like to hear this but set your expectations accordingly .. Willy likes it here and likely resigns .. JT will take much much less because he is now set for life in TO with his real estate portfolio so he will make it work as a LWer assuming he has not won a Cup .. if he wins a Cup here then likely he retires and runs Marlies youth team org

 

[therealkoho]

He can't be signed by the draft. He can only sign as of July 1st.

And that would be a very poor return on arguably one of the most valuable assets in the NHL. If I'm the Leafs, I just let him go UFA, because no one has the cap space to take on $15 million+ and still ice a competitive team in a city that lives and breathes hockey- which is what AM wants. He has no desire to be a big fish in a small pond.

To get to $15 million, the Leafs would only have to clear $3 million, and they have Muzzin and Brodie coming off the books.

Tbh seeing as no one knows who'll own that 1st the bits and bobs would be; a 1st pair Dman, a power forward and 1 more 1st, 2nd 3rd.

Teams that could afford that contract;
NY Rangers
Philly
Boston
Dallas
Anaheim
LA
Montreal

But I digress, it's a long ways off and who knows he might like it enough here that he doesn't demand max X 5 so he'll be able to get one more before he hangs em up.

 

[therealkoho]

If you recall, it wasn't a weighted lottery due to the lockout season. They may have truly won it but I don't think someone suggesting shenanigans is outright crazy. It was very fortuitous.

Apparently during the practice run, the Leafs ball rolled out of the machine, other than that it's the NHL and you can be assured that shenanigans were involved.

 

[Notsince67]

We will end up resigning Matty next summer to top AAV $$$ pretty much on whatever terms he desires which will be top of pyramid .. then when Mitch wants near same amount it won't happen and a trade will occur for Mitch .. most of you are not gonna like to hear this but set your expectations accordingly .. Willy likes it here and likely resigns .. JT will take much much less because he is now set for life in TO with his real estate portfolio so he will make it work as a LWer assuming he has not won a Cup .. if he wins a Cup here then likely he retires and runs Marlies youth team org

Zero chance Marner is offered anything less than a Panarin cap hit if he so desires. That is significant $$ and will pay him near the top of the league whether you think he can skate or not...lol.
You need to get over your obsession and jealousy of the kid. Just because you said so, it doesn't mean Marner would be looking for near league max.

 

[therealkoho]

We will end up resigning Matty next summer to top AAV $$$ pretty much on whatever terms he desires which will be top of pyramid .. then when Mitch wants near same amount it won't happen and a trade will occur for Mitch .. most of you are not gonna like to hear this but set your expectations accordingly .. Willy likes it here and likely resigns .. JT will take much much less because he is now set for life in TO with his real estate portfolio so he will make it work as a LWer assuming he has not won a Cup .. if he wins a Cup here then likely he retires and runs Marlies youth team org

And maybe not because of that guy out in Edmonton who's coming due and who may wish to come home...ya just never know

 

[ToneDog]

We will end up resigning Matty next summer to top AAV $$$ pretty much on whatever terms he desires which will be top of pyramid .. then when Mitch wants near same amount it won't happen and a trade will occur for Mitch .. most of you are not gonna like to hear this but set your expectations accordingly .. Willy likes it here and likely resigns .. JT will take much much less because he is now set for life in TO with his real estate portfolio so he will make it work as a LWer assuming he has not won a Cup .. if he wins a Cup here then likely he retires and runs Marlies youth team org

115 point UFA Johnny hockey got less than $10mx7. Why does the team in the centre of the hockey universe need to grossly overpay their stars ?? I mean we have lost 6 first round series with him.

The cap needs to rise significantly and our GM must not paint himself into the same corner he painted us in since he took over and signed our $40m quartet.

 

[Sypher04]

We will end up resigning Matty next summer to top AAV $$$ pretty much on whatever terms he desires which will be top of pyramid .. then when Mitch wants near same amount it won't happen and a trade will occur for Mitch .. most of you are not gonna like to hear this but set your expectations accordingly .. Willy likes it here and likely resigns .. JT will take much much less because he is now set for life in TO with his real estate portfolio so he will make it work as a LWer assuming he has not won a Cup .. if he wins a Cup here then likely he retires and runs Marlies youth team org

Like all of us here, you have no idea whatsoever what Matthews’ priorities will be.

 

[ACC1224]

Like all of us here, you have no idea whatsoever what Matthews’ priorities will be.

I think he was referring to Marner not being re-signed.

 

[Dekes For Days]

One was 3 years longer. That's the problem

They were talking about for equal 8 year deals.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I thought that paying our stars as RFA's was supposed to smooth out the cap hit. If AM still wants to be the highest paid even after McDavid just mentioned that being paid a lot takes away from other players (After the Av's signed Nate)..well...that's not going to be a good look on him IMO. What can you do with $15M that you can't realistically do with $12.5M? They will never have to work again. I think McDavid ends up signing for a very reasonable deal when he is up...I can't say that about our guys.

 

[Dekes For Days]

115 point UFA Johnny hockey got less than $10mx7.

It's almost like contracts are based on more than just the most recent year's point total.

Guy was on a 69 point pace the previous 2 years, so it's a bit misleading to represent him as a 115 point UFA.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Zero chance Marner is offered anything less than a Panarin cap hit if he so desires. That is significant $$ and will pay him near the top of the league whether you think he can skate or not...lol.
You need to get over your obsession and jealousy of the kid. Just because you said so, it doesn't mean Marner would be looking for near league max.

I hope for every single hockey player to max out TBH .. it is WAY too much work and $$$ for most parents to outlay for over 10+ years (even though I am one of exceptions to da rule) .. da issue is truly da NHL CBA and CAP AAV which I am firmly against for many reasons .. Mitch he is a great kid who always had a huge smile on his face since he was pissing his pants .. and he is top 3 in league in his edges so I never said he is not a good skater (it has always been his stride length which creates issues for him in games in playoffs/down stretch which occur in up/down ice games at a faster pace) .. bottom line da Leafs won't be able to afford Mitch on CAP as they have too much AAV on 3 forwards (after JT gone and/or drops to LW/small AAV) .. until da CAP is figured out in next contracts it will be problems for Leafs to assemble a Cup winning team .. nothing against Mitch personally

 

[Sypher04]

I think he was referring to Marner not being re-signed.

You are correct, misread it on the first run through. My comment stands equally so regarding Marner though.

Last time around, it wasn’t entirely unreasonable for Marner to say why not me. This time, with all Matthews’ individual accomplishments, I just don’t see it happening.

 

[Mess]

Of all 3 of the Amigos its Marner the most likely to stay and re-sign.

Auston an American and Willy a Swede don't have the same loyalty to Toronto and Canada.

Willy keeps getting lumped with the big 3 together but his $7 mil pales in comparison, so he could leave to get a more money and play in a bigger role then being overshadowed by his teammates. When Willy was on team Sweden and winning tournament MVP he was in the spotlight.

All the focus will be on re-signing Matthews, while WIlly will have to sit and wait to see how much is left for him afterwards, and Matthews and then Marner are higher priority.

If Matthews takes this to the limit by playing out his contract there will be no shortages of offers at ridiculous money coming his way. You know the NHLPA will want Matthews to take max money $$ to raise the bar for then entire market for players. Matthews true motivation will be seen be it Playoff success, or Money or Family. Lifestyle etc that determines his next deal. Actions speak louder then words.

 

[IPS]

It's almost like contracts are based on more than just the most recent year's point total.

Guy was on a 69 point pace the previous 2 years, so it's a bit misleading to represent him as a 115 point UFA.

Was it a bit misleading to represent Marner as a 94 point player with his 69 point pace in the years prior?

That's why Dekes is the best, the standard changes literally everyday.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Was it a bit misleading to represent Marner as a 94 point player with his 69 point pace in the years prior?
That's why Dekes is the best, the standard changes literally everyday.

My standard is unchanged. Marner's entire pre-signing period factored into his contract, not just his final season, and I look at the entire pre-signing period any time there's a discussion on Marner's signing, so I'm not sure why you're trying to misrepresent me.

It's also quite different to have a 21 year old put up a career best season to date following age progression patterns, and having a guy putting up a significant outlier season in his late 20s.

 

[LeafEgo]

No we didn't. We paid him for being one of the best young players in the entire cap era, consistent with other post-ELC contracts.

You're basing his contract on things that aren't significantly relevant to his contract valuation. He'll be paid appropriately for the quality of player he is, like everybody else.

This is a UFA contract. Less years would be more expensive, not less.

Lol.

McDavid had a negotiated cap hit percentage of 17.67%, and post-discount, ended on a cap hit percentage of 16.67%. Matthews was also closer to McDavid through his pre-signing period than many want to admit.

True, the five year contract would be higher than the eight, not less.

You're going to have a difficult time defending Mattys next contract while simultaneously laughing at the idea that Mack signed a discount.

Toronto can't be the only team paying 'fair value', while everyone else signs their stars for less. The Avs will be paying Mack, Makar, and Landy a total of 28.6M the year after we re-sign Matty and Nylander with Marner on the books. Accounting for a 5% cap increase, to match them our budget for the three amigos that season is 30M. But that won't happen, overpayments were established years ago.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You're going to have a difficult time defending Mattys next contract while simultaneously laughing at the idea that Mack signed a discount.

I hope when the Matthews/Mackinnon contracts are closer than the gap between them as players, you are consistent and call it a discount.

Toronto can't be the only team paying 'fair value', while everyone else signs their stars for less.

We're not paying people any differently than anybody else.