Post-Game Talk: #2 - 01/16/21 | islanders @ RANGERS

[NYR94]

Do I see... American Shesterkin??

He's American now because Buchnevich adopted him.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I like how much swagger & confidence Lafreniere has already

god i want him to score vs the Devils so bad.

 

[egelband]

Whenever there’s a game where the Rangers are up big again, wanna see Miller get more minutes in the 3rd period and tell him to try some different things, experiment a bit.

He did get a ton of minutes in the third, at least it seemed that way to me.

 

[egelband]

Great effort from the boys tonight. Still want to see more from Kakko though. Honestly, if it wasn't for the hard work of his linemates, he never would have had that opportunity to score. I think it is time to see Kakko do the dirty work for a change. Close on opponents, force turnovers, win battles. Am I asking for too much? I think with his rookie season behind him, and him getting plenty of time off to work on things, it's not asking too much. He can't be handled with kit gloves any longer. He deserved his demotion today. But then again he's only 19 and we're only two games in. Maybe it will come,... I just hope sooner rather than later.

I saw at least one good gritty play by Kakko in his defensive zone. He was along the boards and fought through a couple of isles to start a rush the other way. He imposed his will. Which we want him to do probably 6 times a game.

 

[ohbaby]

Is this Ryan Lindgren's grandfather? Yeah I see the resemblance. LOL

 

[bl02]

god i want him to score vs the Devils so bad.

I think it’s safe the kid really likes to win and biggest smile since he was drafted

 

[bl02]

Daneyko doesn't bother me nearly as much as Goring. Homer Butch just whines about everything that goes against the Piles. I find him very unprofessional and irritating.

Agreed not even close. Can’t listen to Homer Butch

 

[egelband]

That would be fine too but it seemed the steadiness off Lindgren allowed Trouba some freedom offensively. Fox seems like he can play with anyone.

Personally I prefer Trouba playing the stay-at-home role in a pairing. That’s why I was intrigued by him playing with ADA. Force Trouba to do what, I think, he does best. Which is to police the defensive end.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Is this Ryan Lindgren's grandfather? Yeah I see the resemblance. LOL

Lenin is also related to Buch so I guess our whole team is an inbred Russian-American family

 

[ohbaby]

I saw at least one good gritty play by Kakko in his defensive zone. He was along the boards and fought through a couple of isles to start a rush the other way. He imposed his will. Which we want him to do probably 6 times a game.

He did improve some this game, but like you said, he needs to show more of it. For him to get more assists and set up people, he has to be willing and able to hunt the puck into the dirty areas of the ice. You can now see this is not really his forte, which is why he might languish on the third line. I always thought he would make a great power forward. I now have my doubts. Where as Lafreniere already fits the bill.

 

[BreadKick]

Haven't read anything, just woke up, started to download the game (I sleep here in Europe during the game), looked for the score (WOW) and going to the Islanders aftergame thread. I think that is a good recipe to start a good day.

 

[Kords]

Just dawned on me, no stars of the game or broadway hat?

 

[Nuusku]

Couldn't wake up to catch the game. Can anyone summarize why Kakko was demoted, played 10 minutes and didn't even get pp time when the game was 4-0 and rags got a 4 min pp? Doghouse?

Watching from outside, it seems that Kakko has a pretty short leash.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[ohbaby]

Couldn't wake up to catch the game. Can anyone summarize why Kakko was demoted, played 10 minutes and didn't even get pp time when the game was 4-0 and rags got a 4 min pp? Doghouse?

Watching from outside, it seems that Kakko has a pretty short leash.

I would think it was mostly a result of his play in the first game. And it's also obvious Kakko still doesn't have the trust of the coach. Especially when we're protecting a lead. He's been on the ice for too many goals against. He still needs some work on the forecheck. Although in this game he scored as a result of a well timed forecheck of his and his linemates.. Good pressure from all three created the scoring chance.

 

[Ola]

Trouba is kind of the unsong hero in games like this. If he misses a game like this, it’s showing.

 

[egelband]

Georgiev’s nickname should be “he’s just a backup, we’ll give you a fourth for him “.

Too long? Kind of defeats the purpose of a nickname, I guess.

Glad JG has been patient.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Couldn't wake up to catch the game. Can anyone summarize why Kakko was demoted, played 10 minutes and didn't even get pp time when the game was 4-0 and rags got a 4 min pp? Doghouse?

Watching from outside, it seems that Kakko has a pretty short leash.

Howden and Lemieux were given more ice time. Side effect being less ice time for Kakko

 

[GigaChad]

I would think it was mostly a result of his play in the first game. And it's also obvious Kakko still doesn't have the trust of the coach. Especially when we're protecting a lead. He's been on the ice for too many goals against. He still needs some work on the forecheck. Although in this game he scored as a result of a well timed forecheck of his and his linemates.. Good pressure from all three created the scoring chance.

I agree with all you said.
The weird thing for me is that he doesn't look like the player he was before he was drafted.
I watched his Liiga games, WC & WJC and he did things he doesn't do now. I don't know why that is but just have to wonder if a different coach would unleash his old self

 

[Irishguy42]

Kakko had little ice time because he wasn't on the PP or PK, in a game that had 12 PPs combined.

He had just over a minute more 5v5 TOI than Howden, and about 2 minutes more than Lemieux.

Him not being on the PP is a separate issue, but it's pretty obvious and understandable why he had little overall ice time last night.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Kakko had little ice time because he wasn't on the PP or PK, in a game that had 12 PPs combined.

He had just over a minute more 5v5 TOI than Howden, and about 2 minutes more than Lemieux.

Him not being on the PP is a separate issue, but it's pretty obvious and understandable why he had little overall ice time last night.

If there is so many PPs and PK that are taking away from his ice time then it's time to put him on the PP. Not really a separate issue, it's one in the same. Play the damn kid more than 10 minutes. Let him develop. He isn't a rookie anymore that needs to be spoon fed a few minutes here and there.

Same goes for Chytil but i guess they already decided he is going to be nothing more than a 3rd liner that gets no PP time.

 

[2014nyr]

its early to be sure, but feel like this could be a real turning point in the rebuild. trouba tonight was an absolute monster. doesn't show up on the scoreboard but that was 24 dominant minutes in all situations...can't remember the last time we had a guy be the bully out there. that mindset is contagious...can get everyone playing like they're hangin a little lower. the reason i think it could be more than a good game from him is what quinn said afterword about how he took a lead with words and actions between games before following that up like he did. last year i don't think he was ever comfortable stepping up like that, game 1 was his breaking point of being a passenger in the leadership group and not wanting to step out of turn.

realistically just as rome wasn't built in a day this won't take hold overnight. but if he is that guy, we may round into hell on wheels at some point this season as that attitude permeates and the team find its identity within it. hopefully its early enough to get a playoff spot and see what we can do there - ideally win a series but just making it in this division would be a big deal. that would put us in a fantastic place to go into next season as a legitimate contender.

 

[Ola]

Back to this:

After game one there was a LOT of talk here about how the experienced coach Trotz completely out coached Quinn, had his team prepared, etc etc.

So what happened tonight?

I don’t think that should have been about Trotz vs DQ. They have totally different situations.

1. Trotz has a deep veteran team that is intact from last season. They had a longer pause and are maybe not peaking their form in G1 — but not very far from it.

2. Trotz team plays an easier style, more defensive minded. Playing that style requires less, and can be implemented faster. It’s less fragile. We play a high octane offensive style — and it takes longer to implement and is less fragile, but has more potential.

NYI have often won the Cup in November (according to their fans) and then they tackle of.

3. DQ has the youngest team in the league and is giving the players a lot of freedom. Their will be mistakes along the way.

From my point of view, nobody should be surprised if we walk on a mine here and there, and especially against a team like Islanders early in the year.

BUT, what I think we should be alarmed by is the fact that we obviously fail to foresee, prepare and adopt to situations that really exposes our team. I think of two recent situations just like this. The Feb 29 and March 1 losses against the Flyers and the play in against Carolina. Those two Flyers game and the first 2 against Carolina, if we play them 10 times in an alternate universe we probably lose 10 each time.

To handle situations like that, basically were our flaws are magnified for different reasons and the teams we play against at the same time really focusing on taking advantage of them, you just must adopt. Change how you match your team. Especially early in games when you are the most vulnerable. Change how you play. And so forth.

 

[Rongomania]

Hard to play your lame trap hockey when your goalie isn't ready for the NHL. The only time in my life I'll ever say "Cory Schneider really should have played tonight."

 

[Larrybiv]

Rangers with D'angelo: -4
Rangers without D'angelo: +5

LET'S GOOOOOO

That is what it comes down to, but is TOTALLY unfair. Nearly NO ONE showed up game 1. EVERYONE showed up, game 2. Even dare I say JJ. He wasnt horrible.