Prospect Info: 17OA: Axel Sandin Pellikka

[DamonDRW]

Sounds like you don’t watch these players play. Makar is fantastic in his own zone and so is Hughes (this season). Karlsson is bad, yes.

This assumption that all D who score a lot and are small are automatically purely offensive needs to stop.

This is a what you've been told by TV heads. I would highly advise you to watch Makar and Hughes closely and make _your own _ opinion. They are OK but far from what, say, Slavin does.

 

[stillwater]

It's always great to hear from the internet experts.

 

[RedHawkDown]

This is a what you've been told by TV heads. I would highly advise you to watch Makar and Hughes closely and make _your own _ opinion. They are OK but far from what, say, Slavin does.

I have watched them and am always impressed. Maybe we watch different things.

 

[Gniwder]

This is a what you've been told by TV heads. I would highly advise you to watch Makar and Hughes closely and make _your own _ opinion. They are OK but far from what, say, Slavin does.

Makar makes up for mistakes with his feet, he's always been solid defensively. Nobody is saying he's an elite defender in his own zone, but he's not a complete liability like Ghost. Makar has been better defensively than Mo has this season. When Mo gets caught up ice, he's been slow to get back into position. (Yeah, the other D on this team are even slower, but it doesn't excuse Mo.)

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

This is a what you've been told by TV heads. I would highly advise you to watch Makar and Hughes closely and make _your own _ opinion. They are OK but far from what, say, Slavin does.

Makar's feet allow him to defend quite well actually. I would not call him elite defensively, but he is no worse than league average and certainly not a liability (and nets out to a great defensemen I would take on my team 8 days a week). Slavin can't hold Makar's ball sack when it comes to anything with the puck.

It is a fool's errand to evaluate a defensemen of this proto-type based on defense alone. They are who they are because of how they tilt the ice in transition and offensively. As the old saying goes, it is hard to score from 200 feet. You need to evaluate them on both sides of the puck.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

1980s caveman: hurr skate man not crush head through glass, skate man bad.

Slavin doesn't hit, doesn't block shots, doesn't put down points. Suggesting he is more valuable than Makar, Fox, Karlsson, or even Seider is kind of laughable.

There's a good reason he only makes 5.5 per year.

 

[Oddbob]

I bet the Undertaker rises from the center of the rink and chokeslams Mick Foley off the Jumbotron onto one of the nets.

In a stunning turn of events, The Undertaker would rise from under the ice, and chokeslam Mick Foley through the top of the plexiglass. Foley was said to be cut in half in what viewers are describing as a grisly scene! Onlookers said they will not attend any other World Junior games ever again.

This is a what you've been told by TV heads. I would highly advise you to watch Makar and Hughes closely and make _your own _ opinion. They are OK but far from what, say, Slavin does.

Who would you rather have, Slavin or Makar, I know who I am taking. Not sure why HF always needs to pump up defensive guys so much as if they win more Cups than Makar types or something.

 

[newfy]

This is a what you've been told by TV heads. I would highly advise you to watch Makar and Hughes closely and make _your own _ opinion. They are OK but far from what, say, Slavin does.

Slavin is way way way way further offensively from Makar offensively than Makar is away defensively. Do you think Slavins defence prevents 60 more goals in a season to make up the difference in offence Makar creates? Not a chance

 

[Pavels Dog]

Slavin is way way way way further offensively from Makar offensively than Makar is away defensively. Do you think Slavins defence prevents 60 more goals in a season to make up the difference in offence Makar creates? Not a chance

Makar is a a pretty extreme example though. The difference between say, Slavin and Morgan Reilly is better discussion.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Makar is a a pretty extreme example though. The difference between say, Slavin and Morgan Reilly is better discussion.

Well he brought up Makar and Hughes as if they’re bad defensively when they’re actually very good. Rielly is actually fairly bad defensively. There’s a difference.

People simply assume smaller dmen who are good offensively are automatically bad on defense and it’s simply not always true.

 

[DTR]

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Pellikka is actually better-than-average on the other side of the puck. He is not a shut down defenseman but he isn't Andy Delmore.

I do worry about his passing, he's very good at skating the puck in himself and creating chances but the NHL is more about the first pass and transition. I hope Kronwall is working with him on that as his passing was excellent.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Pellikka is actually better-than-average on the other side of the puck. He is not a shut down defenseman but he isn't Andy Delmore.

I do worry about his passing, he's very good at skating the puck in himself and creating chances but the NHL is more about the first pass and transition. I hope Kronwall is working with him on that as his passing was excellent.

He held the puck more at the WJC more than what I have seen in the SHL. I think a big part of that is the hockey brain. He moves the puck pretty decisively when it is needed, but if you give him time and space he takes it and I actually like that about him a lot. I see a lot of crisp passing at least when I have watched him.

I was more concerned in his draft year on the defense but he is very good at angling and using his skating defensively. Like you said I think he shows a good deal defensively to date. If you get the right shutdown guy with him (Edvinsson and Wallinder) you have a pair that is really hard to play against in my opinion.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

He held the puck more at the WJC more than what I have seen in the SHL. I think a big part of that is the hockey brain. He moves the puck pretty decisively when it is needed, but if you give him time and space he takes it and I actually like that about him a lot. I see a lot of crisp passing at least when I have watched him.

I was more concerned in his draft year on the defense but he is very good at angling and using his skating defensively. Like you said I think he shows a good deal defensively to date. If you get the right shutdown guy with him (Edvinsson and Wallinder) you have a pair that is really hard to play against in my opinion.

Yeah, I look at it kind of like this:

Gostisbehere is a guy you want on a lot of o-zone starts to try and establish possession and position and get a scoring chance, but when the puck goes back he's not going to be a stabilizing force in the d-zone. More of a Matthieu Schneider type.

ASP is a guy you want to start in the o-zone for the same reason, but when the puck goes back he's also going to be able to defend, stabilize, and reverse the play. He's more like Rafalski.

A guy like Ghostbear is a 100 foot defenseman, ASP is a 150 foot defenseman, and a generational talent like Lidstrom is a 200 foot defenseman where he controls play in all zones.

 

[newfy]

Makar is a a pretty extreme example though. The difference between say, Slavin and Morgan Reilly is better discussion.

I wasnt the one that brought up Makar in the first place though. When someone brings up Makar and even Hughes in the offensive dmen arent real dmen conversation I just shake my head. Even Karlsson is better than 95% of the guys in the league because hes so good offensively. The point of hockey is to have more goals than the other team, just because a dman helps do that on the offensive side doesnt mean anything bad about them.

 

[The Zermanator]

He held the puck more at the WJC more than what I have seen in the SHL. I think a big part of that is the hockey brain. He moves the puck pretty decisively when it is needed, but if you give him time and space he takes it and I actually like that about him a lot. I see a lot of crisp passing at least when I have watched him.

I was more concerned in his draft year on the defense but he is very good at angling and using his skating defensively. Like you said I think he shows a good deal defensively to date. If you get the right shutdown guy with him (Edvinsson and Wallinder) you have a pair that is really hard to play against in my opinion.

The thought of an Edvinsson-Seider / Wallinder-ASP top 4 in a few years is really exciting if they continue on their trajectories.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

The thought of an Edvinsson-Seider / Wallinder-ASP top 4 in a few years is really exciting if they continue on their trajectories.

Imagine if we drop a first on Hanifin and that top four is actually Hanifin-Seider/Edvinsson-ASP with Wallinder and Walman on the third pair.

 

[Euro Twins]

All of them are mediocre at best and have done nothing to prove otherwise as of yet.

Didn't Augustine just win the gold medal?

 

[Euro Twins]

Just would like to once again say I had this kid as the best defenseman of his class and I think that’s becoming increasingly more evident as the months go by. Also had him over Danielson.

I wouldn't be surprised if the wings also did. Yzerman did say they had 2 guys they wanted at each pick. It wouldn't surprise me if they were torn over axel and Nate and chose Nate because of their prospect depth at d and how weak our center prospect pool was. I haven't been able to find it but there was an interview right after they were able to get pellikka at 17 (seriously how tf did he fall to 17?) Where Yzerman was was super giddy when asked about pellikka, and not his normal stoic self. I didn't know anything about the prospects for the past draft admittedly but as soon as I saw his reaction I told my buddy that's our next franchise player. Seems like we won the lottery

 

[Euro Twins]

I wasnt the one that brought up Makar in the first place though. When someone brings up Makar and even Hughes in the offensive dmen arent real dmen conversation I just shake my head. Even Karlsson is better than 95% of the guys in the league because hes so good defensively. The point of hockey is to have more goals than the other team, just because a dman helps do that on the offensive side doesnt mean anything bad about them.

Karlsson is terrible defensively. I'm not sure you meant defensively there

 

[lilidk]

The thought of an Edvinsson-Seider / Wallinder-ASP top 4 in a few years is really exciting if they continue on their trajectories.

Don't like Wallinder -ASP pair. Move Wallinder to Seider and have some extra shifts Edvinsson -Seider.

 

[Chris Langlois]

Ya I really like the thought of Edvinsson-ASP. I think really we have potential for 2 deadly top D pairs.

 

[lilidk]

Walman only 27 and has 5-6 more very good years

 

[Christien]

He played through an injury for the gold medal game and he’ll be out of the lineup for his SHL team for now until they get the test/scan results

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I see canucks fans are doing the Willander vs ASP stuff for no reason. "Nuh uh! ASP was shit bro!"


Maybe they can tell us who we didn't draft in 2018 for the 7th straight year as well.