Post-Game Talk: #17 - 11/10/18 | RANGERS @ blue jackets | 7:00 - MSG

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Without our top SO weapon (Zucc) coincidental that within 24 hours, Detroit was 4 seconds away from SO, and of course we did have SO last night...Having Spooner give it a whirl was a curious decision (Solid stick save by Korpisalo)...Any particular reason Quinn went Spooner over Kreider, Buchnevich...? Is he just trying to get him going? Didn't think Spooner was even in the top 8 as a SO option. Had Duclair buried his instead of conducting a stick-handling show, I think we'd be discussing the Spooner decision.
 
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I understand the concept of the tank, but I also understand the history of this franchise. We could go 0-82 and there's still no way you're going to convince me we aren't falling all the way to #4 in the lottery and watching some fringe team scoop up the prize.
This team is fun, because you really don't know what is going to happen. They make a lot of mistakes. They take a lot of chances. They play a pretty entertaining game, because the plot twists are unexpected and by the end, you feel like you've been on a rollercoaster instead of the metro north. There's no harm in this as long as these guys are learning from it, and not repeating it. The learning years are supposed to be a little bumpy and we have a lot of guys learning at the same time. Overall though, I like this team.
 
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I understand the concept of the tank, but I also understand the history of this franchise. We could go 0-82 and there's still no way you're not going to convince me we aren't falling all the way to #4 in the lottery and watching some fringe team scoop up the prize.
This team is fun, because you really don't know what is going to happen. They make a lot of mistakes. They take a lot of chances. They play a pretty entertaining game, because the plot twists are unexpected and by the end, you feel like you've been on a rollercoaster instead of the metro north. There's no harm in this as long as these guys are learning from it, and not repeating it. The learning years are supposed to be a little bumpy and we have a lot of guys learning at the same time. Overall though, I like this team.

This. The Rangers never win the lottery anyway.

I mean think of Edmonton
 
Pro-(playoff)-Lifers versus Season Aborters? Just trying to stimulate a healthy dialogue here...
I'm not really comfortable with this. I know it's similar to people comparing a game to a war, but I can do without this comparison and all the associated imagery.
 
Watching DuClair last night reminded me of his nickname in Quebec Juniors....Tony DDDD...well we have a new and better Tony DDDDD..go #77
 
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Anyone else loving Claesson's game? He is so calm under pressure and always seems to make a smart outlet play with little space available. Reminds me so much of Stralman. I really like him and hope he sticks. I think he's our best defensive D-man and can be a real asset moving forward.
I do! Even liked him against us in the playoffs of 2017 against Ottawa. Even some Sens fans were sad to see him go.
 
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I don't know exactly what happened this last week, but I kind of like DeAngelo. I feel like the Grinch when He sees all the who's singing and celebrating despite his plans. It's a fragile like though. It's a fair weather like and can be turned back to the default hate setting if his defensive play reverts to last season's pinata style where it looked like someone blindfolded him and spun him dizzy when he was in his own zone.

Small steps.
Small, small steps.

He has been better than expected in the D zone.
Panarin had him spinning like a top at the end of OT, but he can do that to a lot of players. No reason to think he will revert back.

ADA, Pionk, Hajek, Rykov, Miller, Keane, Lindgren, Lindqvist. Plenty of reasons to be optimistic.
 
So are they tanking or not? I’m confused.

Well think about that for a minute. The coach is going full bore to win. He is incorporating young players. They will still pick in the top 10. How do you tank? To me Hayes is an interseting situation. For some reason I don't trust him with a big contract. No empirical evidence just a gut reaction. Also he should not get more than Mika but is going to get it. Yet he has size and has developed a great all around game. First and a top prospect gets deal done.
Breadman looked just OK last night.
If we can't get Hughes or some other Elite Talent we may have to deal for one which rarely happens.
 
They are a ****ty team playing ****ty though.

They're bottom 5 in driving possession in games within 1 (tied, 1 goal lead either way.) That isn't a long term recipe for success and always catches up with you.

They've been exceptional in a skills competition and have gotten pretty lucky lately.

So go root for them to lose the next 65 games, I don't know what to tell you.
 
This team is not bad enough to tank to the bottom. So might as well just try and win.
I echoed this during the hours after the game.

Clarification on my post:

I meant the players and coaching staff.

For management it is trickier. Of course they have to keep an eye on the draft and the future. OTOH, they dont want to stunt this year's growth. Buying at the deadline to contend--assuming they're in PO position--is not the right move. Neither is gutting it, after the kids have found some success this year only to play the last 20 or so games with strangers again. That's basically a slap in the face to the kids.
 
I echoed this during the hours after the game.

Clarification on my post:

I meant the players and coaching staff.

For management it is trickier. Of course they have to keep an eye on the draft and the future. OTOH, they dont want to stunt this year's growth. Buying at the deadline to contend--assuming they're in PO position--is not the right move. Neither is gutting it, after the kids have found some success this year only to play the last 20 or so games with strangers again. That's basically a slap in the face to the kids.

Yeah I don’t see this team being gutted like last year. I see some additions and some subtractions to happen, and also drafting well is important of course. So yeah have to look at the future but I think they want to be competive in the next year or two, not in 3 plus years.

If you legit want the team to lose effect game, why watch and why come here?

That’s how I feel, that Montreal win was so exciting, last night not as much, but still cool. It’s exciting to see what these kids can do and watch them grow like Howden and DeAngelo, but winning with growth is even nicer.
 
I don't know exactly what happened this last week, but I kind of like DeAngelo. I feel like the Grinch when He sees all the who's singing and celebrating despite his plans. It's a fragile like though. It's a fair weather like and can be turned back to the default hate setting if his defensive play reverts to last season's pinata style where it looked like someone blindfolded him and spun him dizzy when he was in his own zone.

Small steps.
Small, small steps.

That's how most people feel about most players. This place was dangling Names as must trade bait and now that sentiment seems to be shifting because he's playing better and maybe redefining his role on this team. Smith lost 21 pounds and this place was feeling encouraged with his string of good games. Then a bad turnover in Detroit and he is a waste of space again. The Staal hate has quieted down because he's been solid lately.

Everyone of us is fairweather to an extent.

The diehard ADA supporters saw/see the raw talent from the beginning. Others who aren't ADA diehards focused on his shortcomings. Now that raw talent is bubbling to the top and the bad stuff is being coached out. Suddenly the feelings about him shift.
 
It was never about a “tank”. ESPECIALLY not in the lottery era.

So long as they stick to the plan and continue to be sellers at this year’s deadline, we remain on track for the rebuild. Indeed, I’d argue the development of the kids means we’re progressing nicely.

Collect assets, develop them, hope for luck in the lottery.

Check, check, we’ll see.
 
If you legit want the team to lose effect game, why watch and why come here?

This is a bad attitude to have. Everyone wants the same thing, an eventual Stanley Cup, there are just different philosophies on how to get there.

I myself am really torn as to what would be better for this team this season. I think I'm just pretty relaxed with what happens, happens. It's nice to see young kids get a win, but if we lose, whatever.

You're not a better fan because you want them to win every game, nor is he because he wants them to lose every game.
 
This is exactly right.

I can’t even think of the last time I thought Claesson made the wrong decision. A la Stralman, another understated Swede. Makes the right chip. Safe pass. Responsible help. On a team where Brendan Smith makes 2-3 egregious decisions per game, Claesson is solid and dependable in his role. Oh, and he’s just turning 26, cap friendly, with minimal wear on his tires.

This is going to come off as completely misinformed, but I had no idea Claesson is Swedish. Pretty crazy the similarities between he and Stralman's game. I really hope the Rangers are seeing what I'm seeing. He is a joy to watch and shouldn't come out of the lineup again.
 
As long as they don't become deluded and buy at the TDL instead of trying to grab another first rounder Via Zucc or Hayes (they better get much more if they trade Hayes) and lower picks via the likes of Spooner. Whatever else happens just sit back and try to enjoy the younger players develop and develop a hardworking winning culture.
 
They won't.

Exactly. Gorton is committed to a rebuild. They will be sellers at TDL. IMO this is exactly the type of team that he envisioned this year. Hard working and competitive while the young guys are learning what it's like to play in the NHL with a coach that is a perfect fit for this very young and flawed team. So far so good.
 
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