Post-Game Talk: #17 - 11/10/18 | RANGERS @ blue jackets | 7:00 - MSG

[egelband]

The tank side of the fan base has it all wrong I think.
The oilers have McDavid and they are not even close to being a cup competitor.
Getting 1OA is no guarantee.
Heck Toronto wasn't a competitor till tavares came over and he didnt do **** with the isles and was a 1OA.
I'll take the wins and a potential playoff run.

Yep. Anything can happen in the playoffs. More or less. This isn’t the NBA.

 

[egelband]

So, what do we think of David Quinn 17 games in so far?

Like. I love how the team is SKATING. They are, most notably for me, using their bodies to get position and skate into the action. It’s great. And the sticks are active and clever defensively.

 

[egelband]

I'll bet that Torts loves a guy like ADA.

Good point. I am loving ADA. So glad we finally get to see him go.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

No, Georgiev was good. Korpisalo was fine.

I can star 3 or 4 saves from Georgiev that kept us right there; particularly the glove save that would have extended it to 5-3 before Hayes made that gem of a feed behind the net to tie it up 4-4.

Yeah he was good I guess the shirt handed goal is clouding my judgement I thought he should’ve had that. Idk I just think he’s a long way from people claiming he was a better nhl goalie than Hank, which some ppl on here had said.

 

[egelband]

Yeah he was good I guess the shirt handed goal is clouding my judgement I thought he should’ve had that. Idk I just think he’s a long way from people claiming he was a better nhl goalie than Hank, which some ppl on here had said.

No one said that.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yep. Anything can happen in the playoffs. More or less. This isn’t the NBA.

No it can't.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Great story. Should be on MSG 150, narrated by GOAT Bill Pidto.

This is why I wish I had Google Glass then.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Totally different player, indeed. I don’t necessarily blame the coach(es) but that last benching really lit a fire under his rear. He has been very strong lately.

Oh i agree these benches have worked out good so far

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Do these people complaining about us not tanking in game 17 think we were going to go 0-82?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Do these people complaining about us not tanking in game 17 think we were going to go 0-82?

I'm on your side, but

I think a lot of the "tankers" didn't think that if hypothetically the season ended today and there was zero lottery movement for us, we would be picking 17th; however ,

a lot of them are convinced that picking super high would guarantee good picks, but they also really seem to deep down not like winning as you can see in the post game threads.

Als0, does anyone ever consider that If Quinn gets all these prospects going, Hank is on fire, and we make a few good trades this couldn't be a deep run? I mean I'm not saying cup, but if are going for that, the draft doesn't matter as much. Even if we went deep and needed up picking 25-31, I still think they should hold the pick at the deadline given the retool.

 

[aufheben]

It’s not “we”. It’s a pro sports team. It’s entertainment. I suggest taking it less personally. There are a ton of teams trying to win the Cup. “We” probably won’t win in a while just based on the odds. How about enjoying the product now? Might be more fun. And this is a legitimately fun team to watch.

The dirty little secret of sports.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Yep. Anything can happen in the playoffs. More or less. This isn’t the NBA.

Thank you!

No it can't.

Why so negative? Do you have some Crystal ball of the future?

 

[Edge]

And now we’re back on the opposite end of the spectrum and talking about playoffs and runs.

 

[egelband]

Nearly 26 mins tonight for Pionk. Awesome.

 

[will1066]

Look the tankers require a bad team performing badly. I dont know how it's possible to want a team to play well and still lose. A bad team fundamentally can't play well. This team is not bad enough for a tank. You can't wish for a tank yet play well. Can't have your cake and eat it. You know what I mean? If this team lost every game so far, you think the tankers would be happy? The sky would be falling just the same. They'd be salivating at the 15% chance of landing Hughes but they'd still be harping just the same about how unbearable and an embarrassment to hockey it is and why they're not improving

 

[pld459666]

I dont think that we are a "good" team.

As mentioned above, the inability to win in regulation is gonna hit, but for as much as it (OT and Shootout wins) may be affecting draft position, I enjoy the scrappiness. They are displaying

 

[Edge]

Look the tankers want a bad team performing badly. I dont know how it's possible to want a team to play well and still lose, as a bad team fundamentally can't play well. You know what I mean? If this team lost every game so far, you think the tankers would be happy? The sky would be falling just the same.

I think I’d rather avoid the conversations falling into categories be it “tankers” or “playoff Birthers” or any other cute nicknames we come up with.

I feel like it’s hard enough to keep an open and intelligent dialogue going with opposing perspectives without us finding new ways to add fuel to the fire.

I think the topic has a lot more layers, coming from many different perspectives.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Look the tankers want a bad team performing badly. I dont know how it's possible to want a team to play well and still lose, as a bad team fundamentally can't play well. You know what I mean? If this team lost every game so far, you think the tankers would be happy? The sky would be falling just the same.

Well said. The odds of every game looking like the Calgary game or the first Sabres game are minuscule. This is the NHL, you outshoot a team 40-20 you'll win 4 out of 5 times no matter who you are.

 

[Edge]

I think the Rangers are catching teams by surprise right now.

Is that sustainable, and to what degree? We’ll find out as the season progresses.

But I think you have to be encouraged by the young players contributing and growing. Beyond draft picks and miracle playoff runs, or other topics that pop up, the long-term success of this franchise still comes down to converting potential into production. We’re seeing that at different levels within the organization.

 

[will1066]

I think I’d rather avoid the conversations falling into categories be it “tankers” or “playoff Birthers” or any other cute nicknames we come up with.

I feel like it’s hard enough to keep an open and intelligent dialogue going with opposing perspectives without us finding new ways to add fuel to the fire.

I think the topic has a lot more layers, coming from many different perspectives.

I hear ya. I'm just pointing out the extremes that are evident here. People want a team that plays well yet lose. That's a fundamentally impossible

 

[Edge]

I hear ya. I'm just pointing out the extremities that are evident here. People want a team that plays well yet lose. That's a fundamentally impossibly fine line

Whoa boy, the extremes are dizzying at times.

Depending on who you ask, we’re ether a crap team, with morons steering the ship, and no hope for the future, or we’re just a signing or two away from being a serious contender by 2020.

It can be scary to find the balance. Or as they say in politics — there’s nothing in the middle but yellow stripes and roadkill.

 

[bobbop]

@Edge Made a point in another thread that bears repeating...the team really lacks defensemen who can defend (I’m paraphrasing) That’s why guys like Hayak, Miller and Lundkvist are so important to the future. They will take time. Defense always seems to come last (see Toronto, Washington etc.)

I know that everyone is constructing hypothetical deals for Hayes looking for more futures but I wonder if the price might turn out to be a young defenseman who can defend.

 

[bobbop]

To this point, I love the effort and I love the improvement of young players. The wins are a bonus.

 

[Edge]

@Edge Made a point in another thread that bears repeating...the team really lacks defensemen who can defend (I’m paraphrasing) That’s why guys like Hayak, Miller and Lundkvist are so important to the future. They will take time. Defense always seems to come last (see Toronto, Washington etc.)

I know that everyone is constructing hypothetical deals for Hayes looking for more futures but I wonder if the price might turn out to be a young defenseman who can defend.

I think the Rangers would prefer NHL players or those close to being NHL players to picks.

Not to say a pick wouldn’t be included, but I think they’d love to get an actual, tangible player back.

 

[will1066]

To this point, I love the effort and I love the improvement of young players. The wins are a bonus.

I'm saying and @SnowblindNYR is saying that wins will come when this happens.

A tank-capable team does not win games. And it does not improve this year. Only a truly bad team with not even a sniff of decent young players and prospects can tank. Effort is out working the opposition. The only team that goes balls out and still loses is one with 20 Peter Hollands. If you have halfway decent prospects playing with effort and improving, that's gonna fundamentally translate to wins. It can't be a "bonus". It can't and doesn't happen in a vacuum.

For those who want Jack Hughes you're gonna need Chytil and Lias to suck this whole year and not grow, you're gonna need an incompetent coach, which Quinn isn't apparently, and you're gonna need ADA, Buch, and Pionk to sh$t the bed, which I know you don't want.