Post-Game Talk: #16 - 11/09/18 | RANGERS @ red wings | 7:30 - MSG

[Nopuckluck]

Game should have been 5-0 Rangers after 2. When you can’t even score in a whorehouse you have problems

 

[Edge]

I wasn't talking about those players but yes they along with staal have also been bad on the year, but I think most people agree they have not been good. With Pionk it doesn't matter what he does there will always be people defending him tooth and nail. I would love to be wrong in this situation but pionk has just not been good enough

Now in fairness, I think Pionk is falling into that same area that Andersson was.

There was a feeling that criticisms became so blatant and that in turn the defenses being offered increased.

The funny thing is that I’m not particuarly enamored with Pionk — I see him as a third pairing defenseman on a better team.

I think I also had him ranked lower on my top prospect list than many.

But somehow I’ve found myself in these debates because I noticed that the assessments felt particularly harsh.

So here I am, and I’m probably one of the people who is little more middle of the road on Pionk. (Facepalm)

 

[darko]

So i cant criticize how a player plays because he's a rookie? That's ridiculous.
I hope I'm wrong about this I really am but he has not been good enough this year outside of the scoresheet and a ridiculously beautiful goal.

You are not wrong. He's done some good things and some bad things. Probably more bad than good but there's a difference between calling out certain plays and ridiculously bashing the kid and wanting him benched, scratched etc. This is what happens when you rebuild. You give kids every opportunity to succeed.

 

[FJB]

I just watched the highlights on DTMTS. Other than the goal, Shatty looked like shit.

 

[Siddi]

I dont even know what you guys are beefing over but that gif is too funny.

 

[NYR]

Eh, if the shoe fits.

I’m still not really sure what rah rah synopsis you’re talking about, or where you’re going with the signing thing.

Should we schedule another session...or three, son?

I'm thinking your shoe just might actually fit over your big head entirely and you should really just save the amateur session for someone that buys into that BS, JR.

The rah rah synopsis is about your positive outlook on every single move this team makes no matter how absurd it may be.

Funny..You're the last person I ever expected to get into it with since we joined nearly the same time.
Hell..I probably even joined before you since the join dates are screwed up.

Oh well..I'm over it lol.
Nite nite

 

[Edge]

I dont even know what you guys are beefing over but that gif is too funny.

Eh, nothing too crazy. I like Ail.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

You are not wrong. He's done some good things and some bad things. Probably more bad than good but there's a difference between calling out certain plays and ridiculously bashing the kid and wanting him benched, scratched etc. This is what happens when you rebuild. You give kids every opportunity to succeed.

I dont think he should be benched and or scratched. Now that Tony Deangelo is getting regular ice time there really isn't anyone who I believe Pionk is taking ice time away from. And I believe he can be a solid player if he puts it all together, he just hasnt yet.
My problem is there are some People look at the score sheet and see his highlight reel goal and think hes fine, but there are real problems with his game especially defensively. In a year or two he may fixes all these issues and be fine but rn he does quite a few things wrong.
Now playing with a walking pylon in Staal doesnt help, but there should be atleast some blame on the side of Pionk.

 

[darko]

I dont think he should be benched and or scratched. Now that Tony Deangelo is getting regular ice time there really isn't anyone who I believe Pionk is taking ice time away from. And I believe he can be a solid player if he puts it all together, he just hasnt yet.
My problem is People look at the score sheet and see his highlight reel goal and think hes fine, but there are real problems with his game especially defensively. In a year or two he may fixes all these issues and be fine but rn he does quite a few things wrong.
Now playing with a walking pylon in Staal doesnt help, but there should be atleast some blame on the side of Pionk.

He's made mistakes but I don't blame him. Same goes for ADA and the rest of the kids.

 

[Edge]

I'm thinking your shoe just might actually fit over your big head entirely and you should really just save the amateur session for someone that buys into that BS, JR.

The rah rah synopsis is about your positive outlook on every single move this team makes no matter how absurd it may be.

Funny..You're the last person I ever expected to get into it with since we joined nearly the same time.
Hell..I probably even joined before you since the join dates are screwed up.

Oh well..I'm over it lol.
Nite nite

Well, I think you proved my point better than I could’ve. So in that sense, thank you.

As for the rah, rah. I pegged the team to finish in the bottom 5-7 in the league, so I guess that could be considered an endorsement for the tanking approach?

For the record, if there is one, I wasn’t thrilled with the ADA handling earlier, I am not thrilled with the Chytil/Andersson approaches now, and there are several decisions I’ve disagreed with. Beyond that, I’ve spoken about my dislike for a number of moves over the years, which is pretty well documented.

Other confessions - something about Kevin Hayes makes me want to jab him in the forehead, I can’t wait until Marc Staal is off the team, I think David Quinn will not lead this team during its next window, I’m not as high on Hajek as some, I think the defense is one of the weakest in the NHL, I think the Rangers should’ve made sure the second pick from Tampa was a first if the team made the ECF and/or Miller and McD were resigned, and I believe in the lone gunman theory.

My head is big, size 7 1/2 cap, and I typically don’t wear shoes on my head. I have been known to occasionally wear ladies thongs on my head and pretend I’m a luchador named The Shocker. But only alternating Thursdays, or months with 31 calendar days. There’s a hand gesture that goes with my luchador gimmick, but that’s another story.

Sadly, that’s the road I travel. Too negative for the “this is actually a good team” crowd, too positive for the “this franchise is boned, management is going to screw this up, they’re doing this all wrong” crowd.

I think we both expect this team to finish poorly. Near as I can figure the difference is that you think they’re only going to screw it up anyway.

As for your last point, I doubt you joined before me, if only because I was writing for the site under the original owners back in 1997. Not that it really matters, nor am I sure what that has to do with...anything really.

But if you were here before me, that’s cool too. I offer both my congratulations and my condolences and I’m sure we’ve both lost years off our lives that we can never get back thanks to this wonderful little social experiment started by the Taylor Brothers during the Clinton Administration.

 

[NYR]

Well, I think you proved my point better than I could’ve. So in that sense, thank you.

As for the rah, rah. I pegged the team to finish in the bottom 5-7 in the league, so I guess that could be considered an endorsement for the tanking approach?

For the record, if there is one, I wasn’t thrilled with the ADA handling earlier, am not thrilled with the Chytil/Andersson approaches now. I’ve spoken about my dislike for a number of moves over the years, which is pretty well documented.

Other confessions - something about Kevin Hayes makes me want to jab him in the forehead, I can’t wait until Marc Staal is off the team, I think David Quinn will not lead this team during its next window, I’m not as high on Hajek as some, I think the defense is one of the weakest in the NHL, I think the Rangers should’ve made sure the second pick from Tampa was a first if the team made the ECF and/or Miller and McD were resigned, and I believe in the lone gunman theory.

But that’s the road I travel. Too negative for the “this is actually a good team” crowd, too positive for the “this franchise is boned, management is going to screw this up, they’re doing this all wrong” crowd.

I think we both expect this team to finish poorly. Near as I can figure the difference is that you think they’re only going to screw it up anyway.

As for your last point, I doubt you joined before me, if only because I was writing for the site under the original owners back in 1997. Not that it really matters, nor am I sure what that has to do with...anything really.

But if you were here before me, that’s cool too. I offer both my congratulations and my condolences and I’m sure we’ve both lost years off our lives that we can never get back thanks to this wonderful little social experiment started by the Taylor Brothers during the Clinton Administrstion.

Dude..It's been a long hard nightmare of a week and I'm on 4 hrs of sleep so I'm a bit cranky tonight and your pos of a post on page 2 really just rubbed me the wrong way.

We seem to agree on a good portion of the rest so how about we just leave it at that and tomorrow/tonight is a new day?

I was on this site since they were looking for their very first writers..I declined.
You became a writer quite some time after that point but you're right..It doesn't matter.
I was just reminiscing and thinking of the fact that it took god knows how many years before we ever did get into it lol

 

[NYR]

BTW.. My Al Bundy avatar is so much cooler than your Kevin Hayes looking muppet

 

[Fitzy]

Pionk is the new Rozsival. Discuss.

 

[Edge]

BTW.. My Al Bundy avatar is so much cooler than your Kevin Hayes looking muppet

That’s my wife, you surly, sleep deprived, asylum inmate!

Kevin Hayes is a sock puppet.

 

[Rongomania]

Well, I think you proved my point better than I could’ve. So in that sense, thank you.

As for the rah, rah. I pegged the team to finish in the bottom 5-7 in the league, so I guess that could be considered an endorsement for the tanking approach?

For the record, if there is one, I wasn’t thrilled with the ADA handling earlier, I am not thrilled with the Chytil/Andersson approaches now, and there are several decisions I’ve disagreed with. Beyond that, I’ve spoken about my dislike for a number of moves over the years, which is pretty well documented.

Other confessions - something about Kevin Hayes makes me want to jab him in the forehead, I can’t wait until Marc Staal is off the team, I think David Quinn will not lead this team during its next window, I’m not as high on Hajek as some, I think the defense is one of the weakest in the NHL, I think the Rangers should’ve made sure the second pick from Tampa was a first if the team made the ECF and/or Miller and McD were resigned, and I believe in the lone gunman theory.

My head is big, size 7 1/2 cap, and I typically don’t wear shoes on my head. I have been known to occasionally wear ladies thongs on my head and pretend I’m a luchador named The Shocker. But only alternating Thursdays, or months with 31 calendar days. There’s a hand gesture that goes with my luchador gimmick, but that’s another story.

Sadly, that’s the road I travel. Too negative for the “this is actually a good team” crowd, too positive for the “this franchise is boned, management is going to screw this up, they’re doing this all wrong” crowd.

I think we both expect this team to finish poorly. Near as I can figure the difference is that you think they’re only going to screw it up anyway.

As for your last point, I doubt you joined before me, if only because I was writing for the site under the original owners back in 1997. Not that it really matters, nor am I sure what that has to do with...anything really.

But if you were here before me, that’s cool too. I offer both my congratulations and my condolences and I’m sure we’ve both lost years off our lives that we can never get back thanks to this wonderful little social experiment started by the Taylor Brothers during the Clinton Administration.

So, like, the first & third Thursday of the month, or only the second and fourth?

Also, WTF is your problem with months with 30 days, man?

 

[Rempe73]

Pionk takes the wrong man and reads the play wrong on the 2nd goal, fine, whatever, it's a set play. Shattenkirk can't get the puck out because he's stupid and useless outside the offensive zone? It is what it is. Smith getting Datsyuked because he's completely careless and unaware is what should get him benched.

Don’t let the goal fool you. Shattenkirk has been pretty useless in the offensive zone ever since he got here.

 

[Edge]

Pionk is the new Rozsival. Discuss.

1. Would be a great signing and an important piece, so long as he isn’t relied upon to me more than he is.

2. We better upgrade the servers again.

 

[Rempe73]

I couldn’t watch the game live because I attended church tonight, but I’m watching the encore right now. However, I accidentally saw the final score when it was 2-0, and now I don’t really want to watch anymore lol.

That being said, are my opinions in the ballpark? (couldn’t even watch the full encore because they skip some parts):

From what I’ve seen through 2 periods (and half the 3rd, as I don’t want to watch anymore)...

Shattenkirk is pretty freaking awful defensively, and I’m sick of him; he can’t use his knee injury as an excuse anymore; at least he used to make up for his bad defense with good offense, but he’s not even good at that anymore; but I’ll be fine with Shattenkirk as long as he stays on the 3rd pairing and doesn’t block ADA or Pionk

Smith did not have a good overall game, although he made one or two good plays; but he also missed the net by 20 feet on one of his shots

Hayes has looked dominating at times

Pionk is playing very well offensively, and made some really good defensive plays, but unfortunately, I saw him chip the puck off the boards once or twice (he had a low-risk passing option one of those times, but was gassed after that shift)

Our young centers played well (and Chytil looked real good at times), but I wish I could have seen more

Buchnevich was good, but he still seems to half-ass it during some of his shifts

DeAngelo was once again really good at both ends of the ice, except for maybe a few minor defensive errors; and I didn’t see a good replay on that 1st goal against, but I’m pretty sure it was Smith’s fault

Fast has not been himself; he’s been making questionable (and sometimes even dumb) plays for a while now, but he’s usually a pretty smart player

 

[JHS]

Detroit would have rather lost that game

Anyway, Gorton either tell Quinn to play Andersson and Chytil more or send them to Hartford

Stop with this bull****

Has anyone ever considered that playing these two guys more may actually have a detriment to their development? Neither has done anything to distinguish themselves from the heard of mediocracy that makes up this current roster. That’s telling in and of itself( albeit small sample size) but the coach can’t just throw them into situations they are not ready for and expect them to “figure it out.” The consequences to both their confidence and development are significant. Failure to perform, when already a fringe level talent, and a very young player, matters.

As I’ve stated over and over again, the NHL is not where talent should be developed, the minors is. If they can’t earn minutes in the NHL they should not just be given minutes. That’s not the way it works, nor should it be.

 

[egelband]

With young players I’m looking at the positives and ignoring the negatives and stats. Stats are great for established players but with new players the futures *should* or, at least, *can* be much better.
I also expect these guys will make more of their ceiling plays as they develop and lessen the number of floor plays.
So I don’t get too bent out of shape with a team like this. I expect improvement. And if it doesn’t happen, well, that’s the risk of a youth movement.

 

[aufheben]

This entire game and the result could not have been less surprising. Jimmy Howard is the WOAT Ranger fan of all time.

 

[Inferno]

I think....more goes into development, than playing your rookies 17 mins a night.

I think 6, 7, 9, etc is too low...but 12 to 13 is just fine.

 

[Inferno]

This entire game and the result could not have been less surprising. Jimmy Howard is the WOAT Ranger fan of all time.

2 of all times...that's like....double all time....

Whoa.

 

[egelband]

I think....more goes into development, than playing your rookies 17 mins a night.

I think 6, 7, 9, etc is too low...but 12 to 13 is just fine.

It’s hard to put a number on it. But I’d like to see Chytil get at least three or four shifts per period. So 12 ish mins, I guess, would be ideal. But I am happy to give Quinn the benefit of the doubt and see where Chytil is in Feb., Mar.

 

[Irishguy42]

It’s hard to put a number on it. But I’d like to see Chytil get at least three or four shifts per period. So 12 ish mins, I guess, would be ideal. But I am happy to give Quinn the benefit of the doubt and see where Chytil is in Feb., Mar.

Just to play devil's advocate here: tonight he had four shifts in the first and second period, three in the third.

I would have to check this later, as I'm on the bus right now, but Chytil probably receives regular shifts just like everyone else in the rotation, but his shifts are shorter.

Now, that could be due to a lot of external factors, including Quinn just wanting his line to be out there less. Hard to tell without reviewing tape and going shift by shift.