Prospect Info: #129 Arseny Gritsyuk RW

[Jersey Fresh]

He can sign the deal after the season will end but before 1st July or something like that and burn ELC. I believe that’s what he wants.

That would be crazy to me, but I guess it depends what kind of deal he’s asking for.

 

[Guadana]

That would be crazy to me, but I guess it depends what kind of deal he’s asking for.

What is so crazy there? We signed McDermid for three years. And you don't wanna give 2-3mil for one year to Gritsyuk when he is young, successful, with track record? Yeah, way to much crazy, too many young and high talented forwards in our pipeline as alternatives to risk this way.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

isn't Gritsyuk's contract capped at a certain amount? I don't think they can just give him whatever they want.....

 

[Jersey Fresh]

What is so crazy there? We signed McDermid for three years. And you don't wanna give 2-3mil for one year to Gritsyuk when he is young, successful, with track record? Yeah, way to much crazy, too many young and high talented forwards in our pipeline as alternatives to risk this way.

You have no idea if that’s what he wants. If that’s what it is, sure, not much different than the ELC scale. No way they should give him more than that unproven outside the KHL.

 

[Brodeur]

isn't Gritsyuk's contract capped at a certain amount? I don't think they can just give him whatever they want.....

The ELC length/amount is capped, but part of the negotiation will be whether the contract gets registered for 2024-25.

18-21: 3 year ELC
22-23: 2 year ELC
(for Europeans) 24-28: 1 year ELC

I'm sure the Devils would rather have the ELC start in 2025-26, but burning the ELC might just be the price of luring him over.

He was a little bit older, but it could be a similar situation to when Nikita Gusev signed with Vegas in spring 2019. Gusev signed his 1 year ELC and it kicked in immediately. Gusev showed up for a couple practices as Vegas was in the midst of its opening round series against San Jose.

Gusev was that RFA that offseason but didn't have the service time required to be eligible for an offer sheet. So Gusev was in a stalemate with Vegas who didn't have a ton of cap space. Gusev had some leverage in that he could just go back to the KHL. Eventually Vegas dealt him and Gusev signed 2 x 4.5 mil without any NHL experience.

I would expect Gritsyuk's camp to push to burn the mandatory ELC year in 2024-25 and get some guaranteed money in 2025-26.

 

[Devils731]

The ELC length/amount is capped, but part of the negotiation will be whether the contract gets registered for 2024-25.

18-21: 3 year ELC
22-23: 2 year ELC
(for Europeans) 24-28: 1 year ELC

I'm sure the Devils would rather have the ELC start in 2025-26, but burning the ELC might just be the price of luring him over.

He was a little bit older, but it could be a similar situation to when Nikita Gusev signed with Vegas in spring 2019. Gusev signed his 1 year ELC and it kicked in immediately. Gusev showed up for a couple practices as Vegas was in the midst of its opening round series against San Jose.

Gusev was that RFA that offseason but didn't have the service time required to be eligible for an offer sheet. So Gusev was in a stalemate with Vegas who didn't have a ton of cap space. Gusev had some leverage in that he could just go back to the KHL. Eventually Vegas dealt him and Gusev signed 2 x 4.5 mil without any NHL experience.

I would expect Gritsyuk's camp to push to burn the mandatory ELC year in 2024-25 and get some guaranteed money in 2025-26.

I also expect Gritsyuk to have the leverage to burn his ELC this year even without playing and signing a short term RFA deal that starts next year.

ELC age is weird since it’s based on the calendar year of signing while most other things are based on the league year.

 

[Guadana]

You have no idea if that’s what he wants. If that’s what it is, sure, not much different than the ELC scale. No way they should give him more than that unproven outside the KHL.

He is maximum proven for a player outside NHL. He is very talented, young, productive and can skate as opposed to Gusev. And he doesnt have any real arguments for asking more. So no, I have ideas what he wants and Im translating it here. I did it before, I did it quite well closer to what was going on, so I will continue.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

He needs to pan out in the NHL but I really hope we can get some good years out of Gritsyuk. It's been fun to see him improve over the years in the KHL , win a Championship & become a star player. The wait for him to put pen to the paper and grt her officially has been slight torture haha.

The light at the end of the tunnel is drawing closer at least...

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

he officially leads the KHL in scoring

 

[Kshahdoo]

Seeing how that went last time with Gusev I can’t imagine we’d be too keen to give him some big boy deal right off the bat. While I do think Gritsyuk will pan out better I think it’s hard to take that risk. Even if it’s not the ELC year I don’t think it should be more than like 2 mil for a year. I really don’t think asking for an ELC year is being unreasonable. Kuzmenko played an ELC year and he was older coming off a similarly impressive season

Everything was ok with Gusev, he looked solid in his first season despite playing his offwing. Then the Devils hired a new head coach, and Gusev lost his spot on the team. Maybe he didn't look great at the start of the season, but they still used him like shit.

That coach isn't with the team anymore btw, and as far as I remember he didn't have a lot of fans amongst fans...

At least Gritsyuk obviously skates better than Gusev.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Keep in mind SKA is absolutely loaded and many are at or above PPG pace. I guess it all comes down to how his offense translates to the NHL. Certainly on the PP it should.

 

[MasterofGrond]

Keep in mind SKA is absolutely loaded and many are at or above PPG pace. I guess it all comes down to how his offense translates to the NHL. Certainly on the PP it should.

I think leading the league in points is good almost regardless of context. SKA is good, but he's not riding shotgun on Kaprizov out there.

 

[britdevil]

Quality of the KHL has really fallen off. Unsurprisingly.

Linden Vey has 18 points in 19 games.

Gritsyuk leading his league is great and an accomplishment. But huge pinch of salt required.

 

[NjDevsRR]

#FreeArseny
@Cheddabombs

 

[Call Me Al]

obviously have to take into context his team and quality of competition and all that but “leading the league in scoring” is literally the best we could ask of him.

he’s continuing to develop, he plays a style that looks like it could be really dangerous with some of our guys and he’ll fill a position that we need. can’t wait to see him over here

 

[Triumph]

Everything was ok with Gusev, he looked solid in his first season despite playing his offwing. Then the Devils hired a new head coach, and Gusev lost his spot on the team. Maybe he didn't look great at the start of the season, but they still used him like shit.

That coach isn't with the team anymore btw, and as far as I remember he didn't have a lot of fans amongst fans...

At least Gritsyuk obviously skates better than Gusev.

Gusev went to another team where he didn't fit in and got a tryout with a third team where he did not get a contract. I love Gusev, but he just wasn't an NHL quality player without the exact right kind of linemates.

 

[NjDevsRR]

Gusev had great hands and had some good instincts. But his legs couldn’t keep up

 

[Guadana]

Quality of the KHL has really fallen off. Unsurprisingly.

Linden Vey has 18 points in 19 games.

Gritsyuk leading his league is great and an accomplishment. But huge pinch of salt required.

Pff. Michkov has less problems to play in NHL than in KHL. Linden Vey was a monster in AHL, he was very good in KHL too.

Its not the first time when you are absolutely missing with KHL because lack of knowledge and mind position, but I hasten to comfort and reassure you, you don't have to worry, everything is fine with the KHL, the league level is at a good level, it is still better than any league other than the NHL in terms of hockey organization and competition level. So when Gritsyuk comes to play for the Devils, you can get as high as possible and enjoy his game.

Gusev had great hands and had some good instincts. But his legs couldn’t keep up

Absolutely. He is much better hockey player than many many others in NHL(he produced 44 points in 66 games not just by accident), but his legs just not good for NHL.

 

[TrufleShufle]

Not sure if it's thread worthy but would love a thread talking about players we wish worked out. Meaning, if they met their potential, or played to the most optimistic idea of what they could be on the team, who would you want.

Whether it was prospects, or vets we got just in time for them not to be who they were anymore, or guys we would hope have a resurgence and everything in between. Just complete fantasy land talk. Mine would be Gusev pretty easily. Gelinas is also fun to think about.

Two days between games, basically another offseason at this point anyways.

 

[Call Me Al]

So when Gritsyuk comes to play for the Devils, you can get as high as possible and enjoy his game.

don’t worry my russian friend, i will

 

[britdevil]

Pff. Michkov has less problems to play in NHL than in KHL. Linden Vey was a monster in AHL, he was very good in KHL too.

Its not the first time when you are absolutely missing with KHL because lack of knowledge and mind position, but I hasten to comfort and reassure you, you don't have to worry, everything is fine with the KHL, the league level is at a good level, it is still better than any league other than the NHL in terms of hockey organization and competition level. So when Gritsyuk comes to play for the Devils, you can get as high as possible and enjoy his game.


Absolutely. He is much better hockey player than many many others in NHL(he produced 44 points in 66 games not just by accident), but his legs just not good for NHL.

My personal anti-Russian bias has nothing to do with it. The KHL lost talent. Thus an inferior product. It's just a fact really.

Again, good for Gritsyuk. But leading the KHL in scoring isn't the feat that it used to be, only two or so years ago.

 

[Guadana]

My personal anti-Russian bias has nothing to do with it. The KHL lost talent. Thus an inferior product. It's just a fact really.

Again, good for Gritsyuk. But leading the KHL in scoring isn't the feat that it used to be, only two or so years ago.

You was misinformed. Not for the first time. But it's going to have to be sorted out. And this is difficult. Your personal anti-Russian bias has everything to do with it. But in the little different way, more to do with yourself.

don’t worry my russian friend, i will

We will all together. Whether any of us wants it or not. Of course if Fitz will trade him. If he will, I hope it will be for something meaningful.

 

[Incharge1976]

he officially leads the KHL in scoring

Won't believe it until I see it here. Gusev and Reid were #1 and #2 last year in the league.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Gusev went to another team where he didn't fit in and got a tryout with a third team where he did not get a contract. I love Gusev, but he just wasn't an NHL quality player without the exact right kind of linemates.

Gusev plays different hockey than most NHL coaches are used to, and NHL coaches usually hate what they don't understand...

 

[Oneiro]

It's all hockey ultimately. If you can't do your "thing" in the context of a coach's framework, you were never that good anyway.