Prospect Info: #129 Arseny Gritsyuk RW

[Guadana]

EIHL isn't even weak, it's piss poor. Smelly rinks, crumbling facilities, absolutely nobody of note involved. A true waste of resources in a country that will never embrace the sport.

Not sure what that's got to do with the KHL being inferior to what it used to be though.

Still extremely concerning that Gritsyuk is ice cold.

May be. At least there is already one AHLer from London.

It isnt. Lies\unawareness.

He isnt. Not productive - yes.

 

[forceten]

All players go cold. The key is how he recovers from it

 

[britdevil]

May be. At least there is already one AHLer from London.

It isnt. Lies\unawareness.

He isnt. Not productive - yes.

Big Sil is a fantastic prospect. I think he has a chance at #2 NHL D. Especially under such coaching.

I just don't rate Gritsyuk. Never have. It is what it is.

 

[Blackjack]

Big Sil is a fantastic prospect. I think he has a chance at #2 NHL D. Especially under such coaching.

I just don't rate Gritsyuk. Never have. It is what it is.

He plays an NHL style game and has great skill. Until this cold streak he was scoring at a rate that suggested he could be a top six winger, which would be huge for us because we badly need another stud winger behind Bratt. We've tried Meier, Palat, Mercer, Tatar, Haula... Noesen's been the best but he's turning 32 soon.

 

[Guadana]

Big Sil is a fantastic prospect. I think he has a chance at #2 NHL D. Especially under such coaching.

I just don't rate Gritsyuk. Never have. It is what it is.

It is only your thing. Not objective reality.

Silaev will never be #2 NHL defenseman. May be top pair, with Luke there are no chances. But fans should not wait Norris level performance.

 

[njdevil26]

Cold streak or not he could still very well finish with the same amount of points he's finished with just about every year.

 

[Guttersniped]

It is only your thing. Not objective reality.

Silaev will never be #2 NHL defenseman. May be top pair, with Luke there are no chances. But fans should not wait Norris level performance.

What’s the difference between a “#2 NHL defenseman” and “a top pair defenseman”?

A defenseman need special teams minutes to play enough to be considered a #2, but defender who play a lot 5v5 and on the PK can get there without PP minutes.

 

[Guadana]

What’s the difference between a “#2 NHL defenseman” and “a top pair defenseman”?

A defenseman need special teams minutes to play enough to be considered a #2, but defender who play a lot 5v5 and on the PK can get there without PP minutes.

Are we talking about #2 of your team or number 2 of entire NHL? Even if we are talking about our team only, he is defensive specialist who has little chance to play over Luke Hughes.

 

[Hisch13r]

Back to back games with a goal

 

[Devils731]

Back to back games with a goal

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So now we can just look at the last 2 games and project him to be a superstar?

 

[Guadana]

So now we can just look at the last 2 games and project him to be a superstar?

No, we should look only on his scoreless periods - thats when he is what he trully is. Other periods of his regular scoring or intense overproducing are false.

 

[Hisch13r]

He had 41 shots over the 12 game goal drought so it wasn't as if it was from a lack of creating anything. He's shooting slightly below his last 2 seasons where he was at ~10.5% for both. Right now around 8.5%. Not a huge difference but he'd have 2ish more goals with the same shooting luck he's had the prior 2 years.

His shot rate has stayed consistent with what it was last year around ~3.6 a game. That was a big jump up from 22-23 where it was 2.14. Good to see that hasn't fallen back down. The ice time has stayed consistent across the 3 years as well 15:12 then 15:15 now 15:49

 

[Guadana]

He scores his second goal today. I believe @Hisch13r is watching most of Devils games, so when Arseniy will travel to NA, he will doing fine under the supervision of @Hisch13r.

 

[DerekDevils30]

Do we think he’s capable of stepping in next season alongside Hughes and Bratt and being a good complementary piece?

 

[Hisch13r]

He scores his second goal today. I believe @Hisch13r is watching most of Devils games, so when Arseniy will travel to NA, he will doing fine under the supervision of @Hisch13r.

Yeah if he scores like he does when I'm watching then maybe he will be Kaprizov lol

 

[Hisch13r]

Do we think he’s capable of stepping in next season alongside Hughes and Bratt and being a good complementary piece?

I've stayed pretty consistent in saying I think he'll at least be like a 3rd line scoring caliber player. Probably more like middle 6 caliber player but should have the talent to play up on a top line. I'd like to see how Timo-Nico-Noesen play out the rest of this year because they've been one of the best lines in the league. I would really really like Noesen with Jack-Bratt though and Gritsyuk tried with Timo-Nico. I think Bratt-Jack-Gritsyuk would be a great line and near impossible to stop off the rush. I just really like the idea of Jack-Bratt not having to share the puck with anyone else while Noesen cleans up in front and wins the puck for them.

Gritsyuk will probably garner some Yegor comparisons being shooters from the KHL. While Gritsyuk has a really good shot it isn't nearly the lethal weapon Yegor's is. On the other hand he's a much better passer, better skater, and much more active in transition. I think that could result in him having a similar type of success when playing in the top 6 with skilled players. On the other hand I think he will also be able to make an impact playing down on a 3rd line which Yegor couldn't because Yegor's just a shooter and relies so heavily on others doing the heavy lifting to make use of his WMD shot. Gritsyuk can create for himself and others.

 

[My3Sons]

I've stayed pretty consistent in saying I think he'll at least be like a 3rd line scoring caliber player. Probably more like middle 6 caliber player but should have the talent to play up on a top line. I'd like to see how Timo-Nico-Noesen play out the rest of this year because they've been one of the best lines in the league. I would really really like Noesen with Jack-Bratt though and Gritsyuk tried with Timo-Nico. I think Bratt-Jack-Gritsyuk would be a great line and near impossible to stop off the rush. I just really like the idea of Jack-Bratt not having to share the puck with anyone else while Noesen cleans up in front and wins the puck for them.

Gritsyuk will probably garner some Yegor comparisons being shooters from the KHL. While Gritsyuk has a really good shot it isn't nearly the lethal weapon Yegor's is. On the other hand he's a much better passer, better skater, and much more active in transition. I think that could result in him having a similar type of success when playing in the top 6 with skilled players. On the other hand I think he will also be able to make an impact playing down on a 3rd line which Yegor couldn't because Yegor's just a shooter and relies so heavily on others doing the heavy lifting to make use of his WMD shot. Gritsyuk can create for himself and others.

Shara never seemed comfortable to me mixing it up in corners or board battles. Hopefully Grits is feistier.

 

[Guttersniped]

Are we talking about #2 of your team or number 2 of entire NHL? Even if we are talking about our team only, he is defensive specialist who has little chance to play over Luke Hughes.

#2 of the team. Just like a #1 or #3-#4 or #6-#7 or any other version of this.

He wouldn’t reach his ceiling for awhile and by that point Luke could be our #1.

The #1 & #2 don’t have to be on the same pair.

“A chance” is ceiling, it isn’t a flat out prediction.

 

[Guadana]

#2 of the team. Just like a #1 or #3-#4 or #6-#7 or any other version of this.

He wouldn’t reach his ceiling for awhile and by that point Luke could be our #1.

The #1 & #2 don’t have to be on the same pair.

“A chance” is ceiling, it isn’t a flat out prediction.

I would temper this kind of expectation.

 

[My3Sons]

I would temper this kind of expectation.

You don’t think he can eventually play on a top pair if he develops properly? Ultimately you expect him to play behind Luke in the left side so a second pair result would be fine but it sounds like he can be a top tier defensive player even if he’s not a true two way defender.

 

[Hisch13r]

I still think Parayko type outcome makes sense and that’s absolutely a top pair guy. Obviously saying a guys floor is a #3 is high praise and a high floor but I really do find it kind of hard to imagine a world where he isn’t like a #3 shutdown guy

 

[dgibb10]

I still think Parayko type outcome makes sense and that’s absolutely a top pair guy.

Parayko outcome would be amazing. He fell off but from the start of his career to about 2020 he was a top 10-15 dman in the league

 

[Guadana]

You don’t think he can eventually play on a top pair if he develops properly? Ultimately you expect him to play behind Luke in the left side so a second pair result would be fine but it sounds like he can be a top tier defensive player even if he’s not a true two way defender.

For now I dont think he is your "Second best defenseman". I can easily imagine he could become your number one defensive defenseman, may be even your biggest minutes eater. But I still see very limited potential in o zone and I see situations where he should be protected. He isnt great or very good or just even good with the puck. Of course he is okay, he can survive, he can do some things, he is better than he was, but still some aspects of the game where he needs to be quick on the short distances he feels more pressure. I believe he will develop this aspect but I still very conservative in my expectations about how it will going against top NHLers. I think he will be good enough against NHL competition, but when we are talking about #2 defenseman, we are talking about player who is on the level against best AT LEAST in D zone. I dont think he will ever be PP defenseman, and as I said - for now Im not sure he will be absolutely perfect in absolutely all defensive situations to be named 2nd best defenseman of your team.

Again - Im conservative in my expectations. I see potential but I see the road he has to cross. On my taste its okay to wait defensive specialist who will play a lot of minutes but who will not drive blue line, who will not start your offense from the great first pass from d zone, who will clear tonns of situations but will need some help in others.

Maybe it's just caution. He is doing everything well for his development curve, he absolutely looking like future NHL defenseman, he understands positional game, his physics and skating are great. But for now I see lesser two way impact then Luke and Simon have.
Its quite good with the topic - I dont wait Kaprizovs level performance from Gritsyuk. But it was never be a problem that Gritsyuk isnt as potentially great as Kaprizov was and is. We spent 5th round pick for him and he is already had much greater career than most of our 2-4 rounds picks. And soon he will finally make it with the Devils, I hope.

 

[My3Sons]

For now I dont think he is your "Second best defenseman". I can easily imagine he could become your number one defensive defenseman, may be even your biggest minutes eater. But I still see very limited potential in o zone and I see situations where he should be protected. He isnt great or very good or just even good with the puck. Of course he is okay, he can survive, he can do some things, he is better than he was, but still some aspects of the game where he needs to be quick on the short distances he feels more pressure. I believe he will develop this aspect but I still very conservative in my expectations about how it will going against top NHLers. I think he will be good enough against NHL competition, but when we are talking about #2 defenseman, we are talking about player who is on the level against best AT LEAST in D zone. I dont think he will ever be PP defenseman, and as I said - for now Im not sure he will be absolutely perfect in absolutely all defensive situations to be named 2nd best defenseman of your team.

Again - Im conservative in my expectations. I see potential but I see the road he has to cross. On my taste its okay to wait defensive specialist who will play a lot of minutes but who will not drive blue line, who will not start your offense from the great first pass from d zone, who will clear tonns of situations but will need some help in others.

Maybe it's just caution. He is doing everything well for his development curve, he absolutely looking like future NHL defenseman, he understands positional game, his physics and skating are great. But for now I see lesser two way impact then Luke and Simon have.
Its quite good with the topic - I dont wait Kaprizovs level performance from Gritsyuk. But it was never be a problem that Gritsyuk isnt as potentially great as Kaprizov was and is. We spent 5th round pick for him and he is already had much greater career than most of our 2-4 rounds picks. And soon he will finally make it with the Devils, I hope.

Ok all of that is well thought out and fair. I think thr bigger players seem to take longer to pan out and fully develop. Hopefully he can play a second pair role in NJ in a few years and take it from there.

 

[forceten]

I guess we should have grabbed Logan Cooley… we sure could use him right now. Hindsight is 20/20 though