Prospect Info: #129 Arseny Gritsyuk RW

[devilsblood]

Its a money game more then anything.

Graves Severson and Bratt if all retained will cost a lot. Then you have as mentioned Wood Tatar and Haula. Shara Bastian McLeod Boqvist and Zetterlund are all RFAs some that could require a raise.

I'm saying I could see a world where he works his way in depending on how the summer goes.

I'd be shocked if both Graves and Sev's are back.

If Tatar is back it's for less then he is getting paid this year. Haula is already cheap, and might be cheaper yet next year.

Wood and Bratt would need raises for, and I do hope both are back.

 

[Devil X]

I'd be shocked if both Graves and Sev's are back.

If Tatar is back it's for less then he is getting paid this year. Haula is already cheap, and might be cheaper yet next year.

Wood and Bratt would need raises for, and I do hope both are back.

Not sure it’s smart to dump 2 guys off the Defense. Are you going to be comfortable with a team that has 2 rookie defenseman to fill those rather large roles? I’d almost rather those guys compete for 1 spot and the best man wins and the next one is the first call up or beats out Smith.

With how this is going this year next year can’t be a developmental season for 2 new Dman this team is going to be in its window over the next several seasons.

 

[devilsblood]

Not sure it’s smart to dump 2 guys off the Defense. Are you going to be comfortable with a team that has 2 rookie defenseman to fill those rather large roles? I’d almost rather those guys compete for 1 spot and the best man wins and the next one is the first call up or beats out Smith.

With how this is going this year next year can’t be a developmental season for 2 new Dman this team is going to be in its window over the next several seasons.

Well we could keep one, as opposed to losing both.

And it's also possible to find a cheaper veteran place keeper, especially on the right side, in order to give Nemec another year.

But these guys are both top 5 picks. They are expected to be high level talents. They are not getting 3-4-5 years of pre NHL development. They will be in the league sooner then later.

Bahl and OK factors in here as well.

 

[Guttersniped]

Year in AHL is not the best thing would be for him. It isn`t the worst thing, but not the best. It`s meh, half\full step back, but thanks for adapting for "NA" hockey. There are a lot of smaller or small rinks in KHL and level of competition is better. It`s ok to have them closer to the club, call them and try when the season goes, coach them by actual coaching stuff, learn the game with new people under new people. But full year in A isn`t better of full year in K. They are not 18-19 yo boys and they don`t play minor roles in their clubs. Anyway one or another way is okay, Devils have different players and prospects, they can flexibly approach the situation with the development of their players.

It would unfortunate if he was unwilling to play in the AHL.

The advantage to the time in the AHL is that it is a development league too so he can work on parts of his game and get more playing time.

Not sure it’s less competitive in terms of talent levels then the current KHL or how great the coaching he’s getting either. If he can produce and/or has a solid two way game then he should make his way to NJ sooner than later.

 

[Guadana]

It would unfortunate if he was unwilling to play in the AHL.

The advantage to the time in the AHL is that it is a development league too so he can work on parts of his game and get more playing time.

Not sure it’s less competitive in terms of talent levels then the current KHL or how great the coaching he’s getting either. If he can produce and/or has a solid two way game then he should make his way to NJ sooner than later.

Largely less competitive. 8-10 really good players is a loss, but not as big as gap between leagues. In the KHL, 18-19-year-old boys have never really good in scoring and are not gaining as much as in the AHL. The AHL is not a competition league, it's a development league, just like you said. But the level of Gritsyuk's competence is already at a really good level not to engage in simple development. We can observe a similar situation with many hockey players who are already good enough for the AHL, but not enough for the NHL. And often in their case, the best way out is just to let them play, fail and train in the NHL. Do we have such a privilege ?

Gritsyuk (in my opinion) is not ready right now for a role in the top 6 in the NHL. And if you choose strictly between full season in the AHL or in the KHL, then there is nothing to discuss here - if he has to work something out, he has to work it out in a more competitive environment with tighter hockey, in which the cost of error is higher.
But his choice is lookin differently. There are a lot of details and specifics - possible call ups in the NHL, possible work with NHL coaches and working out with the players of the squad (what Holtz is going through now). How much it is better or worser is very difficult to argue, I am sure - in each case it gives an individual good or bad result.

So I don't see a problem in either outcome.

 

[Guadana]

A+G today. 12 points in his last 10 games. Arseniy Gritsyuk has 22 points in his 39 games this season as 21 yo player.
He doesn`t need to play in AHL.

 

[Hisch13r]

What's the ES vs PP splits looking like? I feel like a lot of his production has been PP production this year

 

[Devs3cups]

What's the ES vs PP splits looking like? I feel like a lot of his production has been PP production this year

From what I can see, 3 of his 7 goals so far were scored on the PP.

 

[My3Sons]

A+G today. 12 points in his last 10 games. Arseniy Gritsyuk has 22 points in his 39 games this season as 21 yo player.
He doesn`t need to play in AHL.

I’ll offer a bit of a counter to your thought. I’d have Gritsyuk play a few games in the AHL at the end of thr season if he is willing to do so and the schedule allows. Similar to what Mukhamadullin did last season. Let Gritsyuk get exposure to the NJ team systems to give him a chance to acclimate prior to a real training camp. Most prospects have repeated exposure to the playbook and style they are expected to adhere to in development camps and training camps which KHL players typically can’t attend with their early start. I’d like Gritsyuk to have some exposure rather than showing up without any North American experience. Give him a bit of confidence and minimize the time he has to figure out what to do and maximize the time he can spend playing without hesitation which he will need to do to stick. I like his potential and think he has a real chance to be a good player.

 

[Guadana]

I’ll offer a bit of a counter to your thought. I’d have Gritsyuk play a few games in the AHL at the end of thr season if he is willing to do so and the schedule allows. Similar to what Mukhamadullin did last season. Let Gritsyuk get exposure to the NJ team systems to give him a chance to acclimate prior to a real training camp. Most prospects have repeated exposure to the playbook and style they are expected to adhere to in development camps and training camps which KHL players typically can’t attend with their early start. I’d like Gritsyuk to have some exposure rather than showing up without any North American experience. Give him a bit of confidence and minimize the time he has to figure out what to do and maximize the time he can spend playing without hesitation which he will need to do to stick. I like his potential and think he has a real chance to be a good player.

again I`m not against it. I even not against to have him full year in AHL. I just don`t think its the best way to develop him, because it`s not. He can make everything you said after next season if Devils don`t see him as potential NHL roster player next season.

Btw SHakir said he will try to compete for NHL roster spot next season

 

[devilsblood]

again I`m not against it. I even not against to have him full year in AHL. I just don`t think its the best way to develop him, because it`s not. He can make everything you said after next season if Devils don`t see him as potential NHL roster player next season.

Btw SHakir said he will try to compete for NHL roster spot next season

Grits and Shak could start the year in the AHL and be the first callups in case of injury.

Double bonus in addition to them getting acclimated to playing in NA.

 

[HBK27]

Even if the KHL is the better league for Grits next season, I think there would be a lot of benefit to him playing in the AHL. For starters, it would get him accustomed to playing the Devils style. Additionally, even if the plan is to have him play in the AHL for a season, you never know what will happen this offseason in terms of guys being resigned or injuries next season. Being in the AHL would at least allow him the opportunity to get some NHL games next season depending on his play and the injury situation throughout the year.

I think Thompson and Foote are the only two current legit forward prospects in Utica that would have to clear waivers next season, so they would certainly have an advantage in making the opening night roster. I could also see one of them (particularly Foote) being trade bait this season because of that.

 

[devilsblood]

What's the ES vs PP splits looking like? I feel like a lot of his production has been PP production this year

Which given his skating(which I hear isn't high end, but haven't really watched him play) puts him in a similar boat to Holtz.

Sure they can be productive if they get top PP duties, but they likely won't, so then their skating and overall game at 5v5 needs to hold up.

 

[Guadana]

Even if the KHL is the better league for Grits next season, I think there would be a lot of benefit to him playing in the AHL. For starters, it would get him accustomed to playing the Devils style. Additionally, even if the plan is to have him play in the AHL for a season, you never know what will happen this offseason in terms of guys being resigned or injuries next season. Being in the AHL would at least allow him the opportunity to get some NHL games next season depending on his play and the injury situation throughout the year.

I think Thompson and Foote are the only two current legit forward prospects in Utica that would have to clear waivers next season, so they would certainly have an advantage in making the opening night roster. I could also see one of them (particularly Foote) being trade bait this season because of that.

Very questionable advantages if they don`t see him as potential NHL player. Weak roster in Utica, weak competition in AHL. If they see him and want him to give him some time if he needs to than okay. Again - if they want him to develop - it`s better to stay, if they want him to acclimatize - answer is obvious. Anyway I don`t see any real problem with any choice they will accept.

Which given his skating(which I hear isn't high end, but haven't really watched him play) puts him in a similar boat to Holtz.

Sure they can be productive if they get top PP duties, but they likely won't, so then their skating and overall game at 5v5 needs to hold up.

He is better skater.

 

[Kshahdoo]

I'd say Marchenko is a good example of the possible way to the NHL for Gritsyuk.

 

[Blackjack]

Very questionable advantages if they don`t see him as potential NHL player. Weak roster in Utica, weak competition in AHL. If they see him and want him to give him some time if he needs to than okay. Again - if they want him to develop - it`s better to stay, if they want him to acclimatize - answer is obvious. Anyway I don`t see any real problem with any choice they will accept.


He is better skater.

I don't see why people are comfortable with bringing in Luke Hughes to the NHL at the end of the year and playoffs but not Gritsyuk.

Gritsyuk is 2 years older and more ready than Hughes.

 

[Guttersniped]

I can’t imagine the plan would be for him spend the year in the AHL going in before hand. He would have to make the team and his two-play and pace will dictate if that’s immediate.

I feel like he has the chops and the team seems good at explaining to players what they need to do. We saw it with Zetterlund, we seeing it with Holtz, and they have a guy who can literally explain better to Russian players in Brylin.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Sign him following the KHL season and have him travel/practice with the blackaces. He is another one of those prospects that could add a spark in a series if needed.

 

[Captain3rdLine]

I don't see why people are comfortable with bringing in Luke Hughes to the NHL at the end of the year and playoffs but not Gritsyuk.

Gritsyuk is 2 years older and more ready than Hughes.

Wouldn’t say this necessarily. He puts up numbers in the KHL but I’m not sure his skillset is good enough to ever be an impact top 6 forward let alone jump into the lineup right away. Intriguing prospect that we should bring over but also a bit overrated by fans just because he’s put up good KHL numbers.

Skating is meh, same with hands. Pretty good shot but there’s nothing great about the release or shot that has me thinking it’s gonna carry him at the NHL level. Seems pretty smart and able to get himself into good spots.

 

[Guadana]

Wouldn’t say this necessarily. He puts up numbers in the KHL but I’m not sure his skillset is good enough to ever be an impact top 6 forward let alone jump into the lineup right away. Intriguing prospect that we should bring over but also a bit overrated by fans just because he’s put up good KHL numbers.

Skating is meh, same with hands. Pretty good shot but there’s nothing great about the release or shot that has me thinking it’s gonna carry him at the NHL level. Seems pretty smart and able to get himself into good spots.

So let`s pencil out Holtz because of that and now we don`t have good offensive prospects.
And let's clarify - "a bit overrated" or "most overrated"? I want to understand what I have to come back to later.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

so from all accounts, Muk is coming over in a few months and Gritsyuk's contract ends after this year as well

We are loaded to the brim with prospects....its kinda crazy

 

[HBK27]

Sign him following the KHL season and have him travel/practice with the blackaces. He is another one of those prospects that could add a spark in a series if needed.

Grits wouldn't be eligible for the playoffs this season anyway, right?

 

[OmNomNom]

Wouldn’t say this necessarily. He puts up numbers in the KHL but I’m not sure his skillset is good enough to ever be an impact top 6 forward let alone jump into the lineup right away. Intriguing prospect that we should bring over but also a bit overrated by fans just because he’s put up good KHL numbers.

Skating is meh, same with hands. Pretty good shot but there’s nothing great about the release or shot that has me thinking it’s gonna carry him at the NHL level. Seems pretty smart and able to get himself into good spots.

idt he's overrated by fans - i think most normal fans forget he even exists, tbh

 

[Blackjack]

Wouldn’t say this necessarily. He puts up numbers in the KHL but I’m not sure his skillset is good enough to ever be an impact top 6 forward let alone jump into the lineup right away. Intriguing prospect that we should bring over but also a bit overrated by fans just because he’s put up good KHL numbers.

Skating is meh, same with hands. Pretty good shot but there’s nothing great about the release or shot that has me thinking it’s gonna carry him at the NHL level. Seems pretty smart and able to get himself into good spots.

I mean the KHL is a tough league that’s difficult to score in, especially for a younger player. Getting excited for a prospect that is playing well and exceeding their draft slot doesn’t mean you’re overrating them.

I think his skating and hands look great, but that’s just me. Don’t see what you lose by giving him a few games with the big club when he comes over.

 

[Billdo]

I don't see why people are comfortable with bringing in Luke Hughes to the NHL at the end of the year and playoffs but not Gritsyuk.

Gritsyuk is 2 years older and more ready than Hughes.

I don't see Hughes actually playing when he gets here this year tbh.