Prospect Info: #129 Arseny Gritsyuk RW

[TBF1972]

Everything is ok. dont worry be happy. If a man of “army available“ age didn’t solve his army status, he can’t leave the country. This is this situation. Now they find the way to make alternative service and use army club as a way to solve it. It’s a relationships between player and organizatio. Gritsyuk will be fine.

Anyway now I hope this will”help” to Yurov, Perevalov, Miroshnichenko and Trikozov to be available in second round. All of four are nobrainer picks in second round.

i trust you, that the value is there.

but the devils have a young forward core in the nhl. the devils have a large contingent of forward prospects. they most likely draft a forward with the 2nd oa. at a certain point stock piling more forwards with every pick won't move the needle, even if you go bpa. it could even keep a player like gritsyuk from signing with the devils, as he or his agent don't see an opportunity for him to carve out a top 6 role with the devils. gusev was a tampa draft pick, who never signed with them because of the competition in front of him.

on the other hand the devils have 1 rhd prospect with a shot at the nhl and he is a long shot and the goalie pipeline has more question marks than answers. the last three drafts have resulted in mccarthy and daws, a ton of lhd prospects and a lot of forwards.

 

[Guadana]

i trust you, that the value is there.

but the devils have a young forward core in the nhl. the devils have a large contingent of forward prospects. they most likely draft a forward with the 2nd oa. at a certain point stock piling more forwards with every pick won't move the needle, even if you go bpa. it could even keep a player like gritsyuk from signing with the devils, as he or his agent don't see an opportunity for him to carve out a top 6 role with the devils. gusev was a tampa draft pick, who never signed with them because of the competition in front of him.

on the other hand the devils have 1 rhd prospect with a shot at the nhl and he is a long shot and the goalie pipeline has more question marks than answers. the last three drafts have resulted in mccarthy and daws, a ton of lhd prospects and a lot of forwards.

Yeah I agree its a tough question. Politic going harder and harder from any side. Viza questions are opens. But how can you pass a talent who deserve to be picked in top 15 and has potential to be 50-90 points player? After 5 years you could add this level of talent to your roster and make a huge impact in team results right after the moment. But again - we should draft RD and we can't close the eyes on the situation.

In specific case - this is how situation is going for now. We don't know how players will react, we don't know how sports federation will react, how nhl will react. May be some organisation will make some steps and other organisation will react by more aggressive steps. And if things going badly, we don't know how things can change. I don't know were it a some kind of agreement, that sides did broke and started to make aggressive steps, or Ilya wasn't smart enough to solve his army status, or organisation did use it to manipulate this situation. Anyway it will affect the draft.

I believe Gritsyuk has a lot of interest to play in organisation. He has a chance to play with two awesome centers and his "opponents" are players with less pro experience. I believe he understand how hot his dog is for devils organisation.

 

[Xirik]

Let other teams fear drafting Russians. This is a prime time to get value in the draft. If they can get Miroshnichenko in the 2nd round I will be doing backflips.

 

[bossram]

Let other teams fear drafting Russians. This is a prime time to get value in the draft. If they can get Miroshnichenko in the 2nd round I will be doing backflips.

But I think most other teams will be thinking the same way.

Yeah, if Miroshnichenko or Yurov or Trikozov are available in the mid-2nd, I'm sure many teams will be ecstatic to land a much more talented player at that draft selection, and jump on them. The question is more about whether teams are willing to wait that long, and jump on them in the 1st round.

 

[barriers]

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Yeah I agree its a tough question. Politic going harder and harder from any side. Viza questions are opens. But how can you pass a talent who deserve to be picked in top 15 and has potential to be 50-90 points player? After 5 years you could add this level of talent to your roster and make a huge impact in team results right after the moment. But again - we should draft RD and we can't close the eyes on the situation.

In specific case - this is how situation is going for now. We don't know how players will react, we don't know how sports federation will react, how nhl will react. May be some organisation will make some steps and other organisation will react by more aggressive steps. And if things going badly, we don't know how things can change. I don't know were it a some kind of agreement, that sides did broke and started to make aggressive steps, or Ilya wasn't smart enough to solve his army status, or organisation did use it to manipulate this situation. Anyway it will affect the draft.

I believe Gritsyuk has a lot of interest to play in organisation. He has a chance to play with two awesome centers and his "opponents" are players with less pro experience. I believe he understand how hot his dog is for devils organisation.

Because some things are more important than ice hockey.

Someone here mentioned Federov.

And that's hopefully the only thing I'll have to say on the matter itt.

 

[Guadana]

Because some things are more important than ice hockey.

And that's hopefully the only thing I'll have to say on the matter itt.

Thats working if anybody did that choice. But most of did it. Sooner or later. So it doesn't matter in the end.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Thats working if anybody did that choice. But most of did it. Sooner or later. So it doesn't matter in the end.

No, just no.

 

[Guadana]

No.

You can post it on Carolina board.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

You can post it on Carolina board.

If speaking freely about the matter is acceptable over there feel free to join me. I've never been.

I just hope you're on the best VPN that's ever been conceived of.

Edit: holy shit, it is open season over there. Must be hard and illegal for you to read.

 

[Guadana]

If speaking freely about the matter is acceptable over there feel free to join me.

I've never been.

I’m not interesting in it. On the Carolina board or on the Devils board. There is only a question of logic. If you are not drafting guys from “evil” countries, you are not drafting them. If you are drafting, you are drafting them by their talent. That’s all. Those teams who drafted mediocre NA or Swede talent in earlier rounds and after did draft mediocre ”evil countries” talents in later rounds did make stupid moves. Teams like wild or hurricanes did great moves, teams like Calgary or Seattle did understandable moves, oilers… did at least questionable moves. sabres… on one hand they end it with good pack, on the other hand it could be much better.
if you want to be principled, be consistent. and not this all as usual once again.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

I’m not interesting in it. On the Carolina board or on the Devils board. There is only a question of logic. If you are not drafting guys from “evil” countries, you are not drafting them. If you are drafting, you are drafting them by their talent. That’s all. Those teams who drafted mediocre NA or Swede talent in earlier rounds and after did draft mediocre ”evil countries” talents in later rounds did make stupid moves. Teams like wild or hurricanes did great moves, teams like Calgary or Seattle did understandable moves, oilers… did at least questionable moves. sabres… on one hand they end it with good pack, on the other hand it could be much better.
if you want to be principled, be consistent. and not this all as usual once again.

I am nothing if not consistent when it comes to this issue.

Not my fault many of my posts on the matter have been purged.

How's this for consistency, don't speak about the matter in a roundabout way if you're not willing to have a straight forward conversation.

 

[Guadana]

I am nothing if not consistent when it comes to this issue.

Not my fault many of my posts on the matter have been purged.

How's this for consistency, don't speak about the matter in a roundabout way if you're not willing to have a straight forward conversation.

I’m talking in the way I only like. If conversation will turn on the unliked side for me, I’m not on the way with it. I’m talking about strategy in the draft day and my post is clear. Don’t overthinking it.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

I’m talking in the way I only like. If conversation will turn on the unliked side for me, I’m not on the way with it. I’m talking about strategy in the draft day and my post is clear. Don’t overthinking it.

I'm speaking about draft day as well as our prospects. So we have that in common.

#mogilnyxo #federovforever

 

[barriers]

 

[RSeen]

If Arseni signs next year, how many years of ELC would he have? 2?

 

[FooteBahl]

If Arseni signs next year, how many years of ELC would he have? 2?

I think it’s based on age, but I could be off. According to capfriendly:

The length of the entry-level contract is also dependent on the player’s age:

• 18-21 years of age: 3 years
• 22-23 years of age: 2 years
• 24 years of age: 1 year

I know Gusev signed a one year deal and Karpizov two years.

Arseni will be 22 in March, so I’m guessing it’s 2 years.

 

[Brodeur]

If Arseni signs next year, how many years of ELC would he have? 2?

It'd be two years. Trying to find an older example of whether Gritsyuk could burn the first year without having played in a game potentially (a la Joey Anderson). Montreal signed Alexander Romanov in spring 2020 and he got to burn the first season of his ELC without playing a game. Kirill Kaprizov also was able to burn his first year without playing a game.

I guess we'll see if Gritsyuk has that sort of leverage or if he can sign a two year ELC that starts in 2023-24.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

FWIW Bader put his "Card" on Twitter today

 

[FooteBahl]

FWIW Bader put his "Card" on Twitter today

My boner just got substantial reading this

 

[Guttersniped]

It'd be two years. Trying to find an older example of whether Gritsyuk could burn the first year without having played in a game potentially (a la Joey Anderson). Montreal signed Alexander Romanov in spring 2020 and he got to burn the first season of his ELC without playing a game. Kirill Kaprizov also was able to burn his first year without playing a game.

I guess we'll see if Gritsyuk has that sort of leverage or if he can sign a two year ELC that starts in 2023-24.

Sorokin and Shesterkin got treated differently.

Both were drafted in 2014 but Sorokin was a D+1 overager.

Sorokin signed his 1 year ELC for the 2019-20 season on July 13, 2020 and then signed a 1 year RFA deal for 2m in July 14, 2020. So he burned a year like most guys.

Shesterkin didn’t burn a year, he signed a 2 year ELC in May 2019. He did get a contract with the maximum performance bonuses, 2.85m.

That was why the Rangers blew past the performance bonus cushion of a ~6m in the 2020-21 season. They had Lafreniere, Kakko and Shesterkin all with the max potential bonuses, plus several other ELCs.

Giving him that massive bonus is unique. Fox and Kravtsov both had 850k performance bonuses on their ELCs when they signed in 2019. Miller got 300-400k in 2020.

850k is the Schedule “A” bonuses and the 2m is the Schedule “B” bonuses.

Schedule A bonuses are personal performances and you just have to play a lot and reach a certain level to get them.

Shesterkin played part of the 2019-20 season in the AHL and (I assume) wouldn’t have played enough for schedule A bonuses in that season but would have in his second year.

Schedule B bonuses gives you a certain amount of money when you’re in the top 10 (top 5 for goalies) in cerain major statistics or are the winner/ runner-up for a major award. Shesterkin didn’t do that.

By winning the Norris, making the 1st All-Star team, all his scoring etc, Fox would have made a pile of money in his last ELC year from Schedule B bonuses but he wasn’t given those. He got screwed by his beloved Rags lol.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

This kid needs to pan out with Bratt potentially not being here in 2 years. 1 more year in the KHL and hopefully he is good enough to jump straight to the NHL in 2023-24 seaaon.

 

[Devils090]

Had a goal and an assist for Avangard against the Russian U-25 team(that’s a thing apparently)

Goal


Assist

 

[GameSeven]

Wow. I didn't realize Reid Boucher was on his team. Yuck.

 

[RangerDoggo]

Wow. I didn't realize Reid Boucher was on his team. Yuck.

He’s been in Russia for a few years. I guess if you don’t want to be prosecuted as a Westerner, that’s where you go. It works as well for whistleblowers as it does for actual pedos.