Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)
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topched
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Lol. You don't trade a consistent 30 goal, ppg guy for a bunch of "probables". Especially when that guy is 25 years old with a decade of similar production left. Kessel would still be part of our core when guys we draft in 2020 are ready to contribute.
Sure Lupul "could easily regress" he also "could easily continue to produce" at the same level he did last year. His injuries are behind him, he was a top pick for a reason with huge upside. The only way I entertain trading Lupul is in a deadline deal for a big package if he won't sign an extension.
Prospects are rated far too highly on this board. You don't trade proven young assets for unproven guys with ceilings the same level as the current players unless you're trying to completely rebuild.
We've got a good core in place, and tons of expiring contracts. These guys we have now will still be in their prime when players we have drafted or are about to draft are ready for the NHL
Chandrashekhar Limit
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Exactly what I was thinking
If we move Kessel, we need something like JVR equivalent + blue bhip prospect (eg. Ryan Murray) at the bare minimum.
We'll see whose off their rocker when the trade deadline comes around. This is a speculation thread, I am simply anticipating that Kessel may not want to resign; which is just as probable as him wanting to resign. If we lose Kessel to nothing, the franchise loses 2 years of development. But to suggest that we would get the sort of absurd value people in this thread are suggesting (more than 3 mid to high first round picks) is what I find insane.
the bottom line is that Kessel only gets traded if Nonis believes he wont resign OR a massive overpayment
I don't think you understand.. As I have said I would rather keep Kessel unless a massive overpayment was coming our way. But in the case Kessel does not want to resign this would be the sort of deal I would like for our team.
Kessel seems like he's still happy playing here based on his latest interview:
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console
BertCorbeau
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Yeah I don't think Kessel wants to move anywhere, I think he's a great piece to have on this team if he can be locked up for the future. Even though he's not a physical player, that will work to his advantage as he won't sustain injuries as easily and I think it'll prolong his career further.
Given his increase productive, and consistency in hitting the 30 goal mark, barring any unforeseen injury, he can be a consistent 30 goal scorer in this teams top 6 for the next decade if not longer .. If he can start keeping himself in good shape as he ages, he could be as productive as Selanne has been
They key is to now round out the rest of the top 5 with players that make Kessel's elite skill more dynamic and potent .. That will include adding size/physicality down the middle, players that can finish but also have playmaking ability
I love how every time someone trashes a trade proposal its because the player we are trying to trade is "undervalued". No one here thinks Kessel sucks. We actually think he is extremely talented, which is why we would trade him; because of the value of what we could get back. Wanting to trade Kessel has nothing to do with undervaluing him, we merely except the fact that he has MORE value to another team than he has to OUR team. He needs to play with a first line center. He can't be the best player on a team. He can't be the highest paid player on a team. His greatest asset is as a supporting piece. If we can trade him to a team NEEDING an elite supporting piece, for a player who would thrive as the best player on our team, you do it, no matter how many points Kessel has scored in the last 3 years. Then, you use the next draft to find the elite supporting piece to replace Kessel and support our new star, or trade for him as well.
Teams Phil would be perfect on Does that team have what we need?
Minnesota - Parise is the star Yes - Granlund projects to be that star
Pittsburgh - Crosby is the star No - Unless the are willing to part with Malkin
New York Isles - Tavares is the star No
Tampa Bay - Stamkos is the star No
Colorado - Landeskog is the star Yes - Duchene projects to be that star
Flyers - Giroux is the star Yes - Couts projects to be that star
Personally, I would only trade Kessel for 5 players: From the above...Granlund, Duchene, and Couts. Teams I didn't mention, but have players who they are having trouble signing...Evander Kane or Jamie Benn. Other than that, I would not trade Kessel.
Teams Phil would be perfect on Does that team have what we need?
Minnesota - Parise is the star Yes - Granlund projects to be that star
Pittsburgh - Crosby is the star No - Unless the are willing to part with Malkin
New York Isles - Tavares is the star No
Tampa Bay - Stamkos is the star No
Colorado - Landeskog is the star Yes - Duchene projects to be that star
Flyers - Giroux is the star Yes - Couts projects to be that star
Personally, I would only trade Kessel for 5 players: From the above...Granlund, Duchene, and Couts. Teams I didn't mention, but have players who they are having trouble signing...Evander Kane or Jamie Benn. Other than that, I would not trade Kessel.
Dangles McGavin
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Phil's such a nice guy lol. I wouldn't trade him aside from a huge over payment.
He honestly seems like he just wants to win, regardless of how he does. He mentioned that he had a few bad stretches, and that he probably should have got to 40, but that it doesn't matter because it's never good enough when you don't make the playoffs.
I didn't know that Kessel works out down the street from me
He honestly seems like he just wants to win, regardless of how he does. He mentioned that he had a few bad stretches, and that he probably should have got to 40, but that it doesn't matter because it's never good enough when you don't make the playoffs.
I didn't know that Kessel works out down the street from me
Mansfield
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he can get more than 4 for 4. i'm sure boston would give him at least that and he'd probably stay there
Phil's such a nice guy lol. I wouldn't trade him aside from a huge over payment.
He honestly seems like he just wants to win, regardless of how he does. He mentioned that he had a few bad stretches, and that he probably should have got to 40, but that it doesn't matter because it's never good enough when you don't make the playoffs.
I didn't know that Kessel works out down the street from me
All he talked about was playoffs.
I hope we make it this year.
I'd rather have a 15-20ish first + Phil than a top 5 pick ainec.
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Just wait, that was Chiarelli planting the seed to destroy us on a future trade... Make us feel like we can actually get value from him
Nonis is not a flashy guy. other than maybe a couple tweak moves i still say he doesnt make any major moves before the season starts. and maybe sells off a couple players at the deadline to stock up for this years draft. He will probably try to get some high end talent in july but i dont see them succeeding untill its attractive to play here and with our goaltending the way it is and our lack of defensive identity it just isnt attractive for high end type of players to want to play here. Point is, i wouldnt bank on free agency to save this team. Its still going to be awhile yet before we have a roster that we can brag about.
topched
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Thats why he hasn't been resigned already.
If he starts out well I'm sure Nonis will engage in extension talks then. If Lupul is going the same as last year they'll probably try to hammer something out before the trade deadline.
If not... cue the speculation.
Long time lurker but here is my plan for what this organization should do. I think we are in a similar position to the Jays before last season as we have some pieces of the core but a lack of experience and high-end talent. The Jays model, or the Anthopolous/Rogers model, is to build a solid pipeline of players. Veterans and prospects who can fill their roles. Nonis's recent comments about keeping the team young and not selling the farm seem to resonate with this model.
I would go into the first 30 games of the season without making any trades/cuts. Let the impending free agents play for their next contracts while we maximize their value. I think regardless of whether or not management WANTS to tank, this team isnt built to finish above 20th in the league.
The trade deadline (if it is April 7th) only leaves 10 games or so in the season. I think because of the short season and more teams hoping they have a shot at playoffs, this is a perfect season to sell. We have some players that playoff teams would love as depth players that can help them with their push. I would do trades prior to this as it would give our young guys more time to play on the pro team.
Trades
Lupul for a 1st.
MacArthur + Franson for a 1st
JM Liles for a 3rd
Connolly for a 3rd
Lombardi for a 5th
Steckel for a 6th
If we do finish with a top 10 pick this haul would leave us with ~8 picks in the top 100. This would leave us with great flexibility at the draft. We could move up in almost any scenario with a package of picks, or we can keep the picks in a very deep draft. Either way this benefits our team more than the assets going out.
This offseason is going to be very big for this organization. It is the first offseason for the new ownership group to really make their mark and showcase their committment to win. Add in the pretty good free agent class and our significant cap space, it seems like the perfect time for the Leafs to really make an impact.
Offseason
Buyout Komisarek
Sign Getzlaf and Perry to 7 year/$50 million contracts (7.14 average)
Sign Edler to a 7 year/$45.5 million contract (6.5 average)
Re-sign Bozak to a 1 year $2.25 million contract
Re-sign Komarov to 2 year $2.5 million contract
Re-sign Holzer to a 2 year $1.6 million contract
JVR (4.25) - GETZLAF (7.14) - PERRY (7.14)
KADRI (1.72) - GRABO (5.5) - KESSEL (5.4)
KOMAROV (1.25) - BOZAK (2.25) - KULEMIN (2.8)
??? (1) - McCLEMENT (1.5) - FRATTIN (.925)
BROWN (.736)
EDLER (6.5) - GARDINER (1.16)
PHANEUF (6.50) - GUNNARSSON (1.325)
REILLY (1.775) - HOLZER (.8)
REIMER (1.8)
BACKUP (1)
Plus $2M bonuses
= $64.427
This is roughly the type of lineup I would want, there could always be adjustments along the way. Nevertheless, we would be set with a core of Perry, Getzlaf, Kessel, Edler, Reilly, Reimer, Grabo, Gardiner, Kadri with excellent role players. Our prospect pool would be stacked with quality role players from the last few drafts (Ross, Biggs, Finn, etc) and impact players to add to Reilly in the next draft.
I would like to note that I think Reimer will prove he is a number 1 goalie. I think that he began to focus working on his weaknesses too much under Allaire to a point where he change his whole game to address them. I think he has what it takes to be a number 1 goalie and with what he has gone through the last 2 years I'm sure he's built to handle to Toronto market. We havent drafted and developed a goalie in decades and I think Reimer is the one.
Obviously the lineup won't look exactly like this however I think it is along the lines of what we are striving for. One problem I see with it is we have a shortage of right-handed dmen and this would need to be addressed based on what management thinks is necessary. Combined with whatever we haul in the next 2 drafts, this lineup would achieve both short-term and long-term success. We would finally have some continuity on our team with players that have been drafted and/or developed by our team, and high-impact free agents who are just reaching their primes. I would not re-sign Phaneuf as his cap space would cover Kessel, Kadri, Gardiner, Reimer, and Kulemin's raises while allowing one of Reilly/Gardiner to fill his roles.
I would go into the first 30 games of the season without making any trades/cuts. Let the impending free agents play for their next contracts while we maximize their value. I think regardless of whether or not management WANTS to tank, this team isnt built to finish above 20th in the league.
The trade deadline (if it is April 7th) only leaves 10 games or so in the season. I think because of the short season and more teams hoping they have a shot at playoffs, this is a perfect season to sell. We have some players that playoff teams would love as depth players that can help them with their push. I would do trades prior to this as it would give our young guys more time to play on the pro team.
Trades
Lupul for a 1st.
MacArthur + Franson for a 1st
JM Liles for a 3rd
Connolly for a 3rd
Lombardi for a 5th
Steckel for a 6th
If we do finish with a top 10 pick this haul would leave us with ~8 picks in the top 100. This would leave us with great flexibility at the draft. We could move up in almost any scenario with a package of picks, or we can keep the picks in a very deep draft. Either way this benefits our team more than the assets going out.
This offseason is going to be very big for this organization. It is the first offseason for the new ownership group to really make their mark and showcase their committment to win. Add in the pretty good free agent class and our significant cap space, it seems like the perfect time for the Leafs to really make an impact.
Offseason
Buyout Komisarek
Sign Getzlaf and Perry to 7 year/$50 million contracts (7.14 average)
Sign Edler to a 7 year/$45.5 million contract (6.5 average)
Re-sign Bozak to a 1 year $2.25 million contract
Re-sign Komarov to 2 year $2.5 million contract
Re-sign Holzer to a 2 year $1.6 million contract
JVR (4.25) - GETZLAF (7.14) - PERRY (7.14)
KADRI (1.72) - GRABO (5.5) - KESSEL (5.4)
KOMAROV (1.25) - BOZAK (2.25) - KULEMIN (2.8)
??? (1) - McCLEMENT (1.5) - FRATTIN (.925)
BROWN (.736)
EDLER (6.5) - GARDINER (1.16)
PHANEUF (6.50) - GUNNARSSON (1.325)
REILLY (1.775) - HOLZER (.8)
REIMER (1.8)
BACKUP (1)
Plus $2M bonuses
= $64.427
This is roughly the type of lineup I would want, there could always be adjustments along the way. Nevertheless, we would be set with a core of Perry, Getzlaf, Kessel, Edler, Reilly, Reimer, Grabo, Gardiner, Kadri with excellent role players. Our prospect pool would be stacked with quality role players from the last few drafts (Ross, Biggs, Finn, etc) and impact players to add to Reilly in the next draft.
I would like to note that I think Reimer will prove he is a number 1 goalie. I think that he began to focus working on his weaknesses too much under Allaire to a point where he change his whole game to address them. I think he has what it takes to be a number 1 goalie and with what he has gone through the last 2 years I'm sure he's built to handle to Toronto market. We havent drafted and developed a goalie in decades and I think Reimer is the one.
Obviously the lineup won't look exactly like this however I think it is along the lines of what we are striving for. One problem I see with it is we have a shortage of right-handed dmen and this would need to be addressed based on what management thinks is necessary. Combined with whatever we haul in the next 2 drafts, this lineup would achieve both short-term and long-term success. We would finally have some continuity on our team with players that have been drafted and/or developed by our team, and high-impact free agents who are just reaching their primes. I would not re-sign Phaneuf as his cap space would cover Kessel, Kadri, Gardiner, Reimer, and Kulemin's raises while allowing one of Reilly/Gardiner to fill his roles.
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http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/14/maloney-seeking-center-for-coyotes/
Supposingly coyotes r interested in lombardi. I honestly like him as a player but I hope he gets traded and make room for kadri
Supposingly coyotes r interested in lombardi. I honestly like him as a player but I hope he gets traded and make room for kadri
that rumor has been floating around for a while... I could see them taking him on at the TD for a 3rd rounder...
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