Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)

[oneoftheseyears]

Gardiner + Connolly for O'Reilly + Wilson/O'Brien/O'Byrne

 

[The Magic Man]

How so?

Kulemins break-out year was when he was 24/25.

ROR was when he was 20/21.

Kessel was 20 when he broke out offensively, but that was with Savard feeding him the puck. Kessel was 4th on team scoring. ROR was 1st in team scoring at that age.

Kessel was just hyped more because he was a high draft pick.

R'OR is very mature for his age. He plays a great D game and the coaches trust him. He's very much like Jordan Staal, IMO. I don't see more then a 55-60pt career out of him. It's just my opinion, but I don't want to move guys that I see as possible top liners like Gardiner for what I see as a maxed out 2nd liner. I know he's still young, even younger then Gardiner, but that's the way I see it. He is like Staal, Berglund, or others that get it very young, and people see a chance for more potential, purely due to age. I just think a guy like him is great for the 2nd line, but we don't need to lose great young assets to get a little better then our own good 2nd line center, in Grabovski, or our potential 2C in Kadri and Colborne. It doesn't answer a real need for us.

 

[SnipeCheeseAllDay]

I'd love for us to get Duchene as our #1C.

Kadri + Holzer + 3rd for Duchene
Bozak + 2nd for Luongo

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Lupul - Duchene - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

Gardiner - Phaneuf
Liles - Komisarek
Gunnarsson - Franson
-Blacker

Luongo
Reimer

 

[613Leafer]

I'd love for us to get Duchene as our #1C.

Kadri + Holzer + 3rd for Duchene
Bozak + 2nd for Luongo

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Lupul - Duchene - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

Gardiner - Phaneuf
Liles - Komisarek
Gunnarsson - Franson
-Blacker

Luongo
Reimer

... please take that trade proposal to the main trade board, and see how the fans of the rest of the league react

Duchene would cost MUCH more than that.

 

[ACC1224]

I'd love for us to get Duchene as our #1C.

Kadri + Holzer + 3rd for Duchene
Bozak + 2nd for Luongo

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Lupul - Duchene - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin
MacArthur - McClement - Frattin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

Gardiner - Phaneuf
Liles - Komisarek
Gunnarsson - Franson
-Blacker

Luongo
Reimer

Value is about right for Luongo but not even close for Duchene.

 

[Hero]

We need to hope Getz doesn't want to sign in Anaheim and we can make an offer for him.

 

[dubplatepressure]

... please take that trade proposal to the main trade board, and see how the fans of the rest of the league react

Duchene would cost MUCH more than that.

Clearly the 3rd is what balances that.

I can't see us getting any marquee RFAs or making franchise-changing moves like trades for Duchene, Stastny, etc.

A couple players I could see us targeting are Filppula and Arnott.


Filppula is a solid 2-way Centre that would play on our top line, great numbers last year and is underrated playing behind/beside Zetterburg and Datsyuk.

Arnott, everyone knows him. He's still capable of ~35 pts but would add much-needed veteran presence. Hell, I'd be willing to add both if Filppula could be had reasonably and we subsequently moved either Bozak or Grabo.

 

[beer123]

Trade Kessel for 1st + 2nd, Phaneuf for 1st, and Lupul for 1st.

This year's draft is a gold mine. With all the other players finishing off their contracts, Leafs will be in such a good position to start from scratch with multiple first rounders.

 

[Domrie]

Just wondering if teams could do like a "sign-and-trade".

Teams respect players decision for not staying. Players get 8-year deal (for resign with own team) and team gets something in return instead of player walking away?

 

[The Magic Man]

Clearly the 3rd is what balances that.

I can't see us getting any marquee RFAs or making franchise-changing moves like trades for Duchene, Stastny, etc.

A couple players I could see us targeting are Filppula and Arnott.


Filppula is a solid 2-way Centre that would play on our top line, great numbers last year and is underrated playing behind/beside Zetterburg and Datsyuk.

Arnott, everyone knows him. He's still capable of ~35 pts but would add much-needed veteran presence. Hell, I'd be willing to add both if Filppula could be had reasonably and we subsequently moved either Bozak or Grabo.

I'd rather not do a damn thing then trade for another OK 2nd line player. What's the point? And are you suggesting moving Grabovski if we get Arnott? Good god I hope not. I could understand if it's because we got Filppula, but why bother making that trade?

 

[calcal798]

Clearly the 3rd is what balances that.

I can't see us getting any marquee RFAs or making franchise-changing moves like trades for Duchene, Stastny, etc.

A couple players I could see us targeting are Filppula and Arnott.


Filppula is a solid 2-way Centre that would play on our top line, great numbers last year and is underrated playing behind/beside Zetterburg and Datsyuk.

Arnott, everyone knows him. He's still capable of ~35 pts but would add much-needed veteran presence. Hell, I'd be willing to add both if Filppula could be had reasonably and we subsequently moved either Bozak or Grabo.

I'd like to see us trade for Flippula, him and Grabo would give us a much improved 1-2 and if Kadri could work out at center that could give us a decent top 9.

I wonder if a trade like Bozak + Frattin +Colborne/2nd would be enough for him?

Lupol-Flip-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Connolly
Kuli-Kadri-Mac

 

[pspot]

Trade Kessel for 1st + 2nd, Phaneuf for 1st, and Lupul for 1st.

This year's draft is a gold mine. With all the other players finishing off their contracts, Leafs will be in such a good position to start from scratch with multiple first rounders.

was thinking that this morning when the fan was discussing top 3 pick playoffs

if the leafs do end up top 3 adding an additional top 5 via trade of Kessel would be tempting ...if possible

 

[Kbs]

Just wondering if teams could do like a "sign-and-trade".

Teams respect players decision for not staying. Players get 8-year deal (for resign with own team) and team gets something in return instead of player walking away?

Technically, it could happen. It'll be interesting to see if the new contract limits will actually make sign-and-trades happen more often in the NHL.

 

[calcal798]

was thinking that this morning when the fan was discussing top 3 pick playoffs

if the leafs do end up top 3 adding an additional top 5 via trade of Kessel would be tempting ...if possible

If the Islanders land a top five again, they'd probably love to make a trade like that, Kessel on Tavares wing would be nasty.

 

[topched]

If the Islanders land a top five again, they'd probably love to make a trade like that, Kessel on Tavares wing would be nasty.

Draft picks are valued WAYYYYYYYYYY too much around here.

Kessel is a ppg guy, 25 years old and was traded for 2 1sts and a 2nd.

Why would you basically take a massive step back for a guy who might be as good as Kessel in 6 years?

Kessel was a top 5 pick himself in one of the strongest drafts in recent history. And he's playing like one.

As i've said so many times before, if you're trading Kessel, you need to trade Phaneuf, Liles and Grabo while you're at it. Go full rebuild. Because trading Kessel straight up for picks at this point is at best a break even situation.

 

[dubplatepressure]

I'd rather not do a damn thing then trade for another OK 2nd line player. What's the point? And are you suggesting moving Grabovski if we get Arnott? Good god I hope not. I could understand if it's because we got Filppula, but why bother making that trade?

We have no veteran presence on this team. Not a one of them IMO.

In Filppula, he becomes our #1C. That's something. Filppula is far better than Grabo, he's a disher with very good vision and solid numbers to back it up (see: ideal fit for Kessel?). Has lots of playoff experience too. Definitely a quality player.

Because of that, we can consider moving Grabo at the right time, for the right offer. I'm sorry, but Grabo's $5.5m is utterly absurd for a guy who can't seem to find chemistry on the #1 line. I'm not advocating trade him now, but if he has another 55pt season, I'm sorry but he's getting paid way too much for what he does.

Anyway, the signing of Arnott would push McClement to our 4th line. This is a good thing. This means our 4th can play against other team's 2nd and 3rd lines, provided McClement is as solid defensively as they say.

Just wondering if teams could do like a "sign-and-trade".

Pretty sure the clause still stands that you can't trade a player in his first year of service whom you signed as a UFA to 2+ years(or something like that).

Side note, Edmonton just grabbed Mark Fistric for a 3rd (laugh). Good deal for Dallas IMO but I'm surprised Edmonton didn't want to get more quality considering they have some assets to move.

 

[pspot]

Draft picks are valued WAYYYYYYYYYY too much around here.

Kessel is a ppg guy, 25 years old and was traded for 2 1sts and a 2nd.

Why would you basically take a massive step back for a guy who might be as good as Kessel in 6 years?

Kessel was a top 5 pick himself in one of the strongest drafts in recent history. And he's playing like one.

As i've said so many times before, if you're trading Kessel, you need to trade Phaneuf, Liles and Grabo while you're at it. Go full rebuild. Because trading Kessel straight up for picks at this point is at best a break even situation.

you have a core of Rielly + simillarly aged players on rookie contracts

when building it makes sense to have your core in similar situations and then build around them

 

[Kbs]

We have no veteran presence on this team. Not a one of them IMO.

In Filppula, he becomes our #1C. That's something. Filppula is far better than Grabo, he's a disher with very good vision and solid numbers to back it up (see: ideal fit for Kessel?). Has lots of playoff experience too. Definitely a quality player.

Because of that, we can consider moving Grabo at the right time, for the right offer. I'm sorry, but Grabo's $5.5m is utterly absurd for a guy who can't seem to find chemistry on the #1 line. I'm not advocating trade him now, but if he has another 55pt season, I'm sorry but he's getting paid way too much for what he does.

Anyway, the signing of Arnott would push McClement to our 4th line. This is a good thing. This means our 4th can play against other team's 2nd and 3rd lines, provided McClement is as solid defensively as they say.




Pretty sure the clause still stands that you can't trade a player in his first year of service whom you signed as a UFA to 2+ years(or something like that).

Side note, Edmonton just grabbed Mark Fistric for a 3rd (laugh). Good deal for Dallas IMO but I'm surprised Edmonton didn't want to get more quality considering they have some assets to move.

There's never been a clause like that for UFAs unless you're referring to an offersheet where the player can't be traded for one calendar year, and arbitration might have had something similar, I think.

 

[Chandrashekhar Limit]

you have a core of Rielly + simillarly aged players on rookie contracts

when building it makes sense to have your core in similar situations and then build around them

It is not necessary to have every single one of your core players at the same age. It's good to have a couple guys who will be seasoned vets by the time the young guys are ready to contribute up to their potentials. Lets say we take our time, and the team finally contends in 6 years - Kessel will still only be 31 years old, with at least 5 more years of high quality hockey left in him.

Kessel falls into a similar age bracket with the guys you have mentioned. If we do go decide to tank, the highest quality player I would think of moving would be Lupul, as he is almost 30.

 

[Alexander Baigle]

To Toronto:
Roberto Luongo
Ryan Getzlaf

To Vancouver:
Clowe
Tyler Bozak

To Anaheim:
Joe Colborne
Nikolai Kulemin
Dion Phaneuf


yolo

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Kessel + JvR for Ryan + Perry

At deadline if the ducks are confident that Perry won't re-sign with them.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Kessel + JvR for Ryan + Perry

At deadline if the ducks are confident that Perry won't re-sign with them.

Kessel is equal more or less to Ryan and/or Perry. So you're saying Ryan and or Perry would be the return on JVR - highly doubtful.

 

[calcal798]

Draft picks are valued WAYYYYYYYYYY too much around here.

Kessel is a ppg guy, 25 years old and was traded for 2 1sts and a 2nd.

Why would you basically take a massive step back for a guy who might be as good as Kessel in 6 years?

Kessel was a top 5 pick himself in one of the strongest drafts in recent history. And he's playing like one.

As i've said so many times before, if you're trading Kessel, you need to trade Phaneuf, Liles and Grabo while you're at it. Go full rebuild. Because trading Kessel straight up for picks at this point is at best a break even situation.

I didn't say we'd do it, I said they'd love a trade like that.

I'd be asking for Strome + that top five pick if they wanted Kessel.

It'd be a steep price for them, but they would be getting a winger that could give them one of the best top lines in the league.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Kessel is equal more or less to Ryan and/or Perry. So you're saying Ryan and or Perry would be the return on JVR - highly doubtful.

Read what I wrote.

If they are confident that Perry will not resign.

So basically it's Kessel + JvR for Ryan + (decent package?)

 

[topched]

you have a core of Rielly + simillarly aged players on rookie contracts

when building it makes sense to have your core in similar situations and then build around them

It is not necessary to have every single one of your core players at the same age. It's good to have a couple guys who will be seasoned vets by the time the young guys are ready to contribute up to their potentials. Lets say we take our time, and the team finally contends in 6 years - Kessel will still only be 31 years old, with at least 5 more years of high quality hockey left in him.

Kessel falls into a similar age bracket with the guys you have mentioned. If we do go decide to tank, the highest quality player I would think of moving would be Lupul, as he is almost 30.

This.

You can't have a team thats all 1 age. Thats asking for trouble. We've got a bunch of young established NHLers... Kessel, Phaneuf and Lupul included. Resign them and they'll still be in their prime by the time anyone we've drafted and will draft in the next 2 years are ready to contribute at the NHL level.

All great teams have a mix of young and old. You need leaders etc., not a team full of 19 and 20 year olds who are lost in their own end and don't know how to be good pros.