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LOL I love how this gets passed of as news.
Yes sportsnet, we know that there are other goalies in the NHL.
Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)
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LOL I love how this gets passed of as news.
Yes sportsnet, we know that there are other goalies in the NHL.
JMcLeaf
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The Blues would be stupid to trade Halak. I'd love to have him though.
Sounds like Bernier is too expensive and I don't want us paying the price for a goalie that hasn't proven he's better than Reimer.
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dubplatepressure
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On the contrary, with Lombardi being in better shape now than he's been since his injury, we may actually need him to slot into our #1C if Bozak departs.
Early feedback from practices over the last couple days is that he looks very good.
JMcLeaf
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Elliott would be the 1 they move if they were to move 1 IMO. He's only had 1 good season and didn't get the job done in the playoffs so it wouldn't be a smart move on their part to put all their faith in him. Halak gives them the best chance to win the cup between the 2.
The Podium
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Its really not, the reason he wanted out of Boston was because he was essentially bullied by the team, management and the city. Here he faces criticisim, but has friends and a girlfriend. As shy a guy he is im sure he wont risk a comfortable situation for one that may turn out as terrible as Boston....
p.l.f.
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tough call
theyre both 27
elliot is a lot bigger
it could come down to contracts
i'd take either if one was available
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Halak's their main man, he's more proven where Elliott is a one year wonder thus far. I definately think Elliott would be the one they ship out.
Also I think we go into the season with Reimer and Scrivens
That's not a bad thing, TBH. Obviously the price for Luongo's albatross contract is too much at present, and good for us for not pulling the trigger. At least we'll be able to see what Reimer and Scrivens really have, and if they flop we just end up with a better draft pick anyway.
Leaf Rocket
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Agreed, I'd be very surprised if they trade halak, hell if we get him I'd go crazy. I've always liked Halak over price even though it was sort of biased to him being drafted by the habs lol.
It will also allow us to dump off assets at the deadline, and possibly add another 1st rounder, or some 2nd/3rd rounders, where we'll be able to pick a solid prospect to develop between the pipes down the road
613Leafer
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I would maybe trade Kadri for him. Sounds expensive, but then again Kadri hasn't proven that he's better than MacArthur. I think both of them have upside but both of them are questionable. Our need at the G position is far higher than our need on the wing. LA could use a young cheap forward as well, and are pretty set in G.
Seems to make sense for both teams. I'm sure some people think that's a high price, but you have to remember that Bernier has a similar history to Kadri. Former highly touted prospect, yet to have the impact expected. But goalies also take much longer to develop than skilled forwards.
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p.l.f.
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http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2013/01/14/toronto_maple_leafs_roberto_luongo_not_the_only_option/
"What about Jaroslav Halak in St. Louis? He went 26-12-7 last season with a 1.97 GAA and .925 save percentage and still sits second on the depth chart behind Brian Elliott. Or what if Nonis and company felt like Jonathan Bernier was ready for prime time but never got the chance to show it behind Jonathan Quick."
that's writer dan murphy's opinion
Nonis goes on to say
"No. We don't need to make a move. No. We don't. The one thing -- you hear the buzz over the last 48 hours -- is that there is going to be a change in goal. There's only going to be a change in goal if we can upgrade at that position without severely hampering the ability to play in front of that goaltender, and without taking away very good young players from our reserve list. If we can add a veteran, if we can add a goaltender to help these guys along, we think that would be helpful. But if we can't, then it's up to our whole group to play in front of them and to put wins on the board."
sounds more like he wants a vet backup
"What about Jaroslav Halak in St. Louis? He went 26-12-7 last season with a 1.97 GAA and .925 save percentage and still sits second on the depth chart behind Brian Elliott. Or what if Nonis and company felt like Jonathan Bernier was ready for prime time but never got the chance to show it behind Jonathan Quick."
that's writer dan murphy's opinion
Nonis goes on to say
"No. We don't need to make a move. No. We don't. The one thing -- you hear the buzz over the last 48 hours -- is that there is going to be a change in goal. There's only going to be a change in goal if we can upgrade at that position without severely hampering the ability to play in front of that goaltender, and without taking away very good young players from our reserve list. If we can add a veteran, if we can add a goaltender to help these guys along, we think that would be helpful. But if we can't, then it's up to our whole group to play in front of them and to put wins on the board."
sounds more like he wants a vet backup
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The Magic Man
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What is the price for Bernier? I've been asking that for days without an answer. All I know is that apparantly (when we were still lead by Burke) we turned down an offer for him.
Bernier is the same size. I don't have a problem with Halaks size, he's proven himself a few times. But you always take a risk with G's.
I was thinking this. I'm a fan of Kadri, and I don't think he's much more then a flashy, agitating 2nd liner. But if Bernier isn't a 1G, he isn't worth a damn. 2G's are a dime a 100. Kadri is at least a 40 pt agitator, which has at least some value. High skill shoot out guy with 20g-30a potential. Penalty drawing fan favorite. Very good for LA. We would need a prospect or pick in return, IMO. As TOR takes all the risk in a deal like this. Maybe a conditional 2nd if Bernier plays so many games over 2 seasons.
Some people should watch and follow hockey more instead of just looking at stats. Halak was the Blues go to guy in the playoffs until he went down with injury. (I know it wasn't you who said this, I'm not blaming the messenger haha).
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p.l.f.
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yeah dont blame me
of course after rationalizing that halak is their man he then gets traded !
The Magic Man
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To me that sounds like they aren't closing the door on Luongo, they just aren't willing to accept a deal that sends someone like Kadri, Frattin or Gardiner for him. Nonis see it as a favour taking that contract off their hands and is only willing to move out other contracts for him. Personally I'd be OK with moving Kadri for Lu.
Sounds more like a mistake if you aren't willing to move 2nd liners for 1G's. If it's Kadri for Luongo or Halak, it's a no brainer. Kadri for Bernier isn't so great, with TOR having to take the risk of an unproven goalie.
This.
I wouldn't mind seeing Lombardi play a game between Kessel and Lupul. Lombardi is one of the only guys that can keep up with Kessel, and PERHAPS out skate him.
Lebanese Leaf
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Halak: 46 GP
Elliot: 38 GP
He also started the first 2 playoff games before getting hurt.
Ask any Blues fan, there is no doubt Halak is the #1 going into this season.
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Yep. That's the one worry people have when trading for or drafting goalie prospects. It's pretty much starter or bust. Forwards can be effective in secondary roles, so can D, but not really goalies.
But getting a starting goalie would change this teams fortunes much more than getting a 2nd line agitator, so IMO it would probably be worth the risk. Especially given our depth on the wing at both the NHL level and in the prospect pool.
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