Has all the tools physically. Good size, solid skater, effective shot, and good breakout ability, he's just struggling to put it all together at the pro level, I have heard pretty good things about his play this year, despite his offensive deficiencies.
Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)
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Has all the tools physically. Good size, solid skater, effective shot, and good breakout ability, he's just struggling to put it all together at the pro level, I have heard pretty good things about his play this year, despite his offensive deficiencies.
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His prospect ranking on this board is too high IMO, we will see whoever makes these rankings does with the next batch. The problem is he doesn't look better than Gysbers on the Marlie team, and when you don't look better than the 4th or 5th best Marlie D man, what are the chances you are better than the 5th D man on the Leafs.
Leaf Rocket
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IF true that team has to/will overpay!
1st + 1st + Top Prospect is the minimum Toronto will get back from a contender with a chance to make at least 2 cup runs with a top 10 goal scorer in the world.
The Florida Panthers, as I mentioned before.
They are really the best team out there, since Kessel also helps them financially reach the cap floor.
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Colorado? Maybe they'd be willing to part with Stastny/Duchene and acquire another top winger - maybe balance out the offense.
I dunno.
Edit: Didn't see prospect Lol.
Minnesota (Granlund/Coyle + Hackett)
Ottawa (Zibanejad + Lehner)
St. Louis (Not centres, but Tarasenko/Schwartz + Allen)
Washington (Kuznetsov + Holtby if he doesn't become their starter)
NY Islanders (Strome + Nilsson)
Tampa (Namestnikov + Vasilevski)
Minnesota is the best trade partner any way I break it down. St. Louis and Nashville make sense too.
Not just you but a lot of people really should get off this trading Kessel for prospects cause it's not going to happen.
Some advice these 3 are not going anywhere Kessel, Phaneuf and Lupul. They're just as important to this team moving forward than Rielly and all the other youngsters in the organization...
everything has gone insane in this thread people are going to be disappointed when all Nonis does is try to trade Lombardi, Mac, Connoly... may even place 1 of them on wavers.
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I don't think Minny would do that unless they are really going for it in the next couple seasons. Backstrom is a UFA and is getting older so I doubt he is in their long-term plans and Harding has MS (not sure how this will affect his play), so Hackett is pretty important to them IMO. Maybe Coyle+Hackett, but I highly doubt Granlund+Hackett.
Can't see Sens doing that.
Blues would probably do Schwartz+Allen, but I'm not sold on Allen at all.
Washington deal I have no clue. Holtby will have to really crash for them to move him and Kuznetsov is very risky for us. Amazing prospect, but who knows if he'll come over.
Strome+Nillsson is interesting. I'd want more though.
Vasilevski+Namestnikov actually just crossed my mind before you mentioned it. Not sure how Tampa would feel about moving Vas. I'd probably want something else included since goalie prospects are risky.
That'd be amazing. We'd have to add though.
JMcLeaf
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I'm fine keeping Kessel since he's a very skilled player. If he wants to stay, then I want Nonis to re-sign him.
These deals are just for if it looks like he won't re-sign with us. He is too valuable to just let go for nothing.
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The only way I would trade Kessel is if he refuses to resign. He's too important to our team, and he is still relatively young.
but what if kessel doesn't want to resign. you can't force a guy to resign even if you throw money at them as sometimes money isn't the issue. we can't let him walk because of what we gave up for him.
You don't think Huberdeau can stick at center?
I'm quite huge on Markstrom, though. I would take him over Luongo (salary included) all day.
The first word of the title of this thread is 'speculation'. That's the context in which this discussion is taking place. So the ounce of realism has to be taken with a "grain of salt", as it is not to be expected.
With the season starting on the 19th, you can bet Kessel, Lupul, and Phaneuf will be here. I would bet that everyone is aware of this.
So I would relax, and maybe join the fun?
I don't think any of these prospects end up being better than Kessel. In fact, I am almost sure of it.
The PPG winger, who has 40 goal potential with a good #1 center, and is entering his prime, is the player the Leafs are giving up here.
This is the framework that I believe everyone (at least me, anyway) is operating from.
I think Kessel is a fantastic player and I would love if he re-signed here, but if by the summer he's still not re-signed and he's indicated he'll test free agency, we probably should explore trade options.
Just the thought of what he might land us is pretty exciting. It would offer the chance to fill some holes like a goalie or a centre. Even on defense, I wouldn't be opposed to adding another player.
I know Philly would probably never be interested because they need defense/goaltending more than anything, but imagine getting Voracek/Simmonds/BSchenn, plus something else in return for Kessel.
Just the thought of what he might land us is pretty exciting. It would offer the chance to fill some holes like a goalie or a centre. Even on defense, I wouldn't be opposed to adding another player.
I know Philly would probably never be interested because they need defense/goaltending more than anything, but imagine getting Voracek/Simmonds/BSchenn, plus something else in return for Kessel.
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If we are going to trade Kessel, I'd think the Flyers or Panthers are good place for him to bartered to because they have prospects we might be interested in.
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That is interesting a couple of posters have now mentioned Florida, he and Versteeg didn't form a good 1-2 punch. No doubt Versteeg won't be happy being the #2 guy to Kessel again. Not the best attitude when he was here in Toronto.
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Voracek hasn't lived up to what he was suppose to be. Simmonds is a good complimentary player, but still not the piece the Leafs need to replace Kessel and Brayden Schenn could be that guy the Leafs need to build around, but you never know.
I don't get why all of these Kessel trade offers come up on the board. If you trade Kessel, you open up a huge hole in the offense. A lot of the shots and scoring chances ran through him last year and if you are going to rely on Lupul or MacArthur, then you are in trouble.
Voracek is going to break out this year.
And the trade doesn't have to give us someone immediately to replace Kessel. It can give us other major pieces to build around moving forward.
Leaf Rocket
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Doesn't mean we would pair them for versteeg, they have weiss who he can play on the wings for IMO. He'll be fine if they are to get him with Deboar on the clock.
I personally don't want to trade Kessel at all but if we are goint o trade it up I can see those two teams going after him, the other being Ducks if they don't want to rebuild and retain getzlaf.
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Gibson, Rakell, Karlsson, Etem, and Palmieri all interest me, but not nearly as much as Minnesota. I see them as a team that would be more interested anyways.
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I thought Versteeg looked terrible here when he and Kessel were on the same team, perhaps Dineen can work wonders, but I thought that was a strange combo to retry since it didn't work the first time. Think Weiss may test the FA market this summer, I'm hoping we make a bid for him and Zajac if he also doesn't re-sign.
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