Speculation: 12/13' Trades/Proposals: Trade market is officially open.(LEAFS)

[ErnieLeafs]

Nonis would lose the leverage of the upcoming playoffs and trade deadline if he waits until the end of the season. Gardiner is a real good young player, he's not my definition of a stud, but he is a great piece to a team that is on the verge of bigger things. Leafs are not on that verge, but a team that is that needs a PMD will likely overpay to acquire him, and that's what makes a GM good, know when to be a seller and when to be a buyer.

There just isn't a good enough reason to trade a kid that we've already seen play really solid at the pro level, with growth and development still in him, for question marks.

Keeping Gards means we potentially have 2 elite puck movers in the top 4, meaning they could provide offense from the back any time they're on the Ice.

I'm all for using Kessel to help rebuild our forward core, but there's no good, logical reason to get rid of a young defenseman with Gardiner's potential, and importance to our team.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Anyway all this is moot point. I dont think granlund is on the table, hes slated to be their #2 Center for a long time...
I would rather try to pry away duchene+

Maclean would point out part of a GM's job is to make sure the seats are filled for the Owner.

If you think if Leafs offered Kessel to Fletcher and he would not be interested given this is an exciting, talented, star player in the NHL that hails from a nearby state, he would balk because it is Granlund. I think you are understating Kessel's draw in the Minnesota area.

 

[Crispy Crust]

There just isn't a good enough reason to trade a kid that we've already seen play really solid at the pro level, with growth and development still in him, for question marks.

Keeping Gards means we potentially have 2 elite puck movers in the top 4, meaning they could provide offense from the back any time they're on the Ice.

I'm all for using Kessel to help rebuild our forward core, but there's no good, logical reason to get rid of a young defenseman with Gardiner's potential, and importance to our team.

Agreed.

 

[JMcLeaf]

What do you guys think Leafs could get for Lupul in a trade?

 

[leugangen]

If we move Kessel, I doubt Lupul would want to re-sign.

Trading Kessel and Lupul could bring back a few high-end prospects and 1st round picks that could really help us do a proper full rebuild. There is a lot of risk involved though. Kessel and Lupul are proven top line players, while prospects are unproven. Trading them could certainly turn out great for us long-term or it could come back to bite us in the ass.

I'd be surprised if Nonis takes an approach like this. I expect he will try to keep the good young pieces we have now and just build on what we have.

I'd move both of them for big returns. Rebuild properly.

 

[Winreims]

What do you guys think Leafs could get for Lupul in a trade?

If he has a good season again (and if we are out of the hunt by the deadline), I'd love to package him in a deal for a good centerman. Pry one off a team who has 1 too many C's.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

There just isn't a good enough reason to trade a kid that we've already seen play really solid at the pro level, with growth and development still in him, for question marks.

Keeping Gards means we potentially have 2 elite puck movers in the top 4, meaning they could provide offense from the back any time they're on the Ice.

I'm all for using Kessel to help rebuild our forward core, but there's no good, logical reason to get rid of a young defenseman with Gardiner's potential, and importance to our team.

Fletcher's not going to give up a stud prospect Granlund and Dumba for Kessel alone, would you? Granlund for Kessel is not enough for us, Minnesota has 2 clear needs. We have strength on the back line, as good as Gardiner is, he is not a deal breaker, Rielly is the deal breaker. Luckily for us Minnesota are committed to winning this year.

 

[Rockinz]

What about...

Heatley + Granlund + Dumba

for

Kessel + Gardiner


I think Minny would have to add something small...

Minnie would have to add at least 2 first rounders

 

[ErnieLeafs]

What do you guys think Leafs could get for Lupul in a trade?

Solid prospect + pick.

Depends on the team he goes to, really, and what they have in terms of their depth, and our needs.

For people mentioning the Blues, who would you realistically want from them? Jaskin would be right near the top of my list in terms of prospects.

Maybe Jaskin + 1st + 3rd/4th

 

[Winreims]

The only way i would consider it, is if we got a young #1 C in return.

example:

Dal: Gardiner
Tor: Benn

I am a big fan of Benn's. I would love to get him, but not sure if Dallas would be open to letting him go :/

 

[HOTD]

Agreed.

I second that.

 

[Beleafer4]

Maclean would point out part of a GM's job is to make sure the seats are filled for the Owner.

If you think if Leafs offered Kessel to Fletcher and he would not be interested given this is an exciting, talented, star player in the NHL that hails from a nearby state, he would balk because it is Granlund. I think you are understating Kessel's draw in the Minnesota area.

They already have a star winger in parise. I think fletcher might be worried about depth down the middle.

 

[cup67]

What do you guys think Leafs could get for Lupul in a trade?

forsberg from wasington

 

[JMcLeaf]

If he has a good season again (and if we are out of the hunt by the deadline), I'd love to package him in a deal for a good centerman. Pry one off a team who has 1 too many C's.

I'd be fine with that

Solid prospect + pick.

Depends on the team he goes to, really, and what they have in terms of their depth, and our needs.

For people mentioning the Blues, who would you realistically want from them? Jaskin would be right near the top of my list in terms of prospects.

Maybe Jaskin + 1st + 3rd/4th

Who is that for? Lupul?

On the Blues I like Tarasenko (highly doubt he's available), and Stewart. Mixed feelings on Schwartz and Rattie.

 

[ErnieLeafs]

Fletcher's not going to give up a stud prospect Granlund and Dumba for Kessel alone, would you? Granlund for Kessel is not enough for us, Minnesota has 2 clear needs. We have strength on the back line, as good as Gardiner is, he is not a deal breaker, Rielly is the deal breaker. Luckily for us Minnesota are committed to winning this year.

Granlund isn't on the table, though. And either way, dumba isn't really appealing, a lackluster as he's been all year, and lacking the smarts our organization likes on the back end.

Minnesota showed with their long term signings that they aren't just looking for a small window to win, but trying to create a contender for years. They're not in a desperate position, so they won't be inclined to throw the farm at anyone right now. In a few years, maybe, but they're going to give this unit a go.

I just don't see them as a good trading partner. Outside of Brodin (they won't deal him), and Granlund (he's there to stay), there isn't a heck of a lotwe would want. Coyle too, but again, they have no real reason to deal them.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

What other defenseman from his draft are doing isn't relevant at all. I don't care how good Doughty is. What's important is how Gardiner is playing for the Leafs. And Doughty, Karlsson, Myers, Del Zotto, Carlson have all had a few years in the NHL. Gardiner was kept in the minors by the Anaheim organization and now with the Leafs he's been given a chance at what seems like the appropriate time of his career - and he's been great. Rankings and comparisons are bogus. How valuable Gardiner is to the Leafs is all that matters.

Ooops!!!

 

[cup67]

gardiner for yakapov

 

[HOTD]

Fletcher's not going to give up a stud prospect Granlund and Dumba for Kessel alone, would you? Granlund for Kessel is not enough for us, Minnesota has 2 clear needs. We have strength on the back line, as good as Gardiner is, he is not a deal breaker, Rielly is the deal breaker. Luckily for us Minnesota are committed to winning this year.

I'm not sure what their cap situation is, and I'm sure we'd have to take some salary back, but would you do, and do you think something like this would be fair?

Kessel, Phaneuf for Dumba, Granlund, 2 1st + a salary dump? Fair/unfair?

 

[ErnieLeafs]

I'd be fine with that



Who is that for? Lupul?

On the Blues I like Tarasenko (highly doubt he's available), and Stewart. Mixed feelings on Schwartz and Rattie.

That wasn't necessarily for Lupul, just a package I'd like to look at. He would be solid on the 3rd line prospect, with solid offensive upside.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I second that.

Well I 3rd that. But that's not the point. Real trades need value for value to work. For Minnesota to give up Granlund wouldn't you hold out for Gardiner? Fletcher knows Nonis's predictament next year with Kessel.

We can play this game of not wanting to trade favourite players all night, but I am sure we all felt this way when Clark was traded, and then we grew to love Sundin. What had we been swayed by attachment issues too then? Sundin would never had worn a Leaf jersey.

 

[Beleafer4]

Fletcher's not going to give up a stud prospect Granlund and Dumba for Kessel alone, would you? Granlund for Kessel is not enough for us, Minnesota has 2 clear needs. We have strength on the back line, as good as Gardiner is, he is not a deal breaker, Rielly is the deal breaker. Luckily for us Minnesota are committed to winning this year.

Then screw dumba, they can have him.

Gardiner is bigger faster and smarter than dumba.

Dumba is meaner and has a better clapper.

Gardiner has shown however that he is very effective in the pros whereas dumba is a question mark.

It would essentially be trading a good defenseman for someone who can be a good defenseman.

Keep Gardiner.

 

[JMcLeaf]

Well I 3rd that. But that's not the point. Real trades need value for value to work. For Minnesota to give up Granlund wouldn't you hold out for Gardiner? Fletcher knows Nonis's predictament next year with Kessel.

We can play this game of not wanting to trade favourite players all night, but I am sure we all felt this way when Clark was traded, and then we grew to love Sundin. What had we been swayed by attachment issues too then? Sundin would never had worn a Leaf jersey.

Kessel is more valuable than Granlund

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Granlund isn't on the table, though. And either way, dumba isn't really appealing, a lackluster as he's been all year, and lacking the smarts our organization likes on the back end.

Minnesota showed with their long term signings that they aren't just looking for a small window to win, but trying to create a contender for years. They're not in a desperate position, so they won't be inclined to throw the farm at anyone right now. In a few years, maybe, but they're going to give this unit a go.

I just don't see them as a good trading partner. Outside of Brodin (they won't deal him), and Granlund (he's there to stay), there isn't a heck of a lotwe would want. Coyle too, but again, they have no real reason to deal them.

Didn't you say on this forum, never count out a prospect on one off year, in this case not even.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Kessel is more valuable than Granlund

Have you been keeping up with this thread? He may be gone after next year with Leafs getting nothing for him.

You honestly think Kessel wants to be in a rebuild if we miss the playoffs again this year?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Then screw dumba, they can have him.

Gardiner is bigger faster and smarter than dumba.

Dumba is meaner and has a better clapper.

Gardiner has shown however that he is very effective in the pros whereas dumba is a question mark.

It would essentially be trading a good defenseman for someone who can be a good defenseman.

Keep Gardiner.

Let's not play the NHL proven, CJHL is unproven game. Rielly is a question mark also, not proven in the NHL either if the rules are this black and white.