Boston Bruins ‘22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. II

[Hogan20]

Proposal:

To Vegas: Reilly, Smith
To Boston: Reilly Smith

It's a very even trade

Vegas is at 50 contracts, so they'd need to throw someone else in.

 

[Carlon Brando]

Why not just put Horvat with Coyle and DeBrusk? Why does the guy who signed a team friendly deal to return have to get the short end of the stick?

Why not put Horvat with Coyle and Zacha? Why move DeBrusk off of Bergeron and Marchand's line when the chemistry is clearly working there and he's playing probably the best hockey of his career?

 

[DominicT]

Only one player left to activate.

$1,331,528 needs to be cleared.

FYI - waiving and burying Smith only saves $906,081
FYI2 - waiving and sending Frederic down only saves $845,676
FYI3 - waiving and burying anyone who makes over $1,125,000 only saves $906,081

 

[Patdud]

Tbh I rather trade for JT Miller vs Horvat

Horvat is younger... but last game vs Canucks cements it for me. Rather have Miller.

Miller contract is manageable, no ntc to worry about.

unfortunately dont think Carlo + a 1st would be enough. Canucks would ask for Lysell instead of the 1st

lol we would eat miller alive. like legit wed throw him in a boiling pot of water like a lobster if he pulled have the shit he is in VAN (goals aside)

View attachment 608693

Only one player left to activate.

$1,331,528 needs to be cleared.

FYI - waiving and burying Smith only saves $906,081
FYI2 - waiving and sending Frederic down only saves $845,676
FYI3 - waiving and burying anyone who makes over $1,125,000 only saves $906,081

Question,
Why did Wagners offer the full 1.125Mil in savings, but smith/reilly are limited to 900k?

Vegas is at 50 contracts, so they'd need to throw someone else in.

damn the rules!

 

[Therick67]

Seems like Donny hockey might want to give this situation his undivided attention ASAP.

Also, that Pasta guy still needs a contract...

 

[Sturm und Drang]

lol we would eat miller alive. like legit wed throw him in a boiling pot of water like a lobster if he pulled have the shit he is in VAN (goals aside)


Question,
Why did Wagners offer the full 1.125Mil in savings, but smith/reilly are limited to 900k?


damn the rules!

The cap hit accrues daily. Burying someone part way through the season only saves a prorated amount based on how many days they’ve already spent on the roster. At least that’s my understanding.

 

[Lord Ahriman]

I really doubt they would trade Forbort at this time, so I would bet they are going to pay someone in order to get rid of Reilly.

 

[BergyWho37]

It’s not a popular decision cause he’s obviously been playing better but does waiving Foligno cover the cap situation until we can fit him back in ?

 

[Hookslide]

Seems like Donny hockey might want to give this situation his undivided attention ASAP.

Also, that Pasta guy still needs a contract...

I suggest put all big contract moves be put on hold until Pasta is signed ..............

 

[DominicT]

lol we would eat miller alive. like legit wed throw him in a boiling pot of water like a lobster if he pulled have the shit he is in VAN (goals aside)


Question,
Why did Wagners offer the full 1.125Mil in savings, but smith/reilly are limited to 900k?

There's 185 days in the NHL season. They've spent 38 days on the roster so far, Wagner zero. That 38 days is not free

 

[neelynugs]

I really doubt they would trade Forbort at this time, so I would bet they are going to pay someone in order to get rid of Reilly.

seems most likely. reilly and smith (not reilly smith) are the clear favorites. maybe there's a move out of LF (not lunatic fringe)
we don't see, but is unlikely.

 

[goldnblack]

So Arizona just told the world they'll take cap dumps in their Chychrun deal (he's ready to return soon). His cap hit is only 4.6M for 2 more years after this one.

Shock the world!

To Arizona:

Brandon Carlo (4.1M)
Craig Smith (3.1M)
2023 1st round pick (come on #32!)
2024 2nd round pick
conditional 2023 3rd round pick (condition of making the conference finals AND Chychrun playing 4 playoff games)
OR If a prospect needs adding in, someone not in our top 4

Gryz-Charlie
Hampus-Chychrun
Forbort-Clifton

Enough room to activate Forbort. I think the sides L/R work.

If you have to trade Smith and a high pick ANYWAY, go for it? And get off the Carlo concussion merry-go-round.

 

[Lobster57]

And get off the Carlo concussion merry-go-round.

And hop on the Chychrun "everything is hurt" one?

 

[Gee Wally]

It’s not a popular decision cause he’s obviously been playing better but does waiving Foligno cover the cap situation until we can fit him back in ?

financially - no.

not to mention a locker room mutiny.

 

[the negotiator]

financially - no.

not to mention a locker room mutiny.

People sometimes forget trades are much more than money and stats based .....how a trade will impact the locker room has to be a major consideration

Especially right now with this team on a roll you need to avoid doing anything that will negatively impact the chemistry

 

[The Storm]

So Arizona just told the world they'll take cap dumps in their Chychrun deal (he's ready to return soon). His cap hit is only 4.6M for 2 more years after this one.

Shock the world!

To Arizona:

Brandon Carlo (4.1M)
Craig Smith (3.1M)
2023 1st round pick (come on #32!)
2024 2nd round pick
conditional 2023 3rd round pick (condition of making the conference finals AND Chychrun playing 4 playoff games)
OR If a prospect needs adding in, someone not in our top 4

Gryz-Charlie
Hampus-Chychrun
Forbort-Clifton

Enough room to activate Forbort. I think the sides L/R work.

If you have to trade Smith and a high pick ANYWAY, go for it? And get off the Carlo concussion merry-go-round.

This!

I was on the Chycrun bandwagon, but not any more. Seems injury prone to me. He might have knee problems as well? The Bruins snagged Hampus and he is the better player. The emergence of Clifton and the play of the defense is pretty solid. Cliffy is interesting and he's a little nuts too. The check he threw on Milan Lucic was violent and effective, he sure hits with purpose. If Carlo had 1/2 the snarl of Cliffy, he would be an awesome player. Sure hope he can keep it up?

Imagine Patrick Kane on a line with Bergeron and Marchand. Anyone remember when Sidney Crosby played with Bergy and Marchy for Team Canada on the same line? It was very effective. Patrick Kane would be lights out with these two. Supremely talented like Sidney Crosby.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Why not just put Horvat with Coyle and DeBrusk? Why does the guy who signed a team friendly deal to return have to get the short end of the stick?

Why not put Horvat with Coyle and Zacha? Why move DeBrusk off of Bergeron and Marchand's line when the chemistry is clearly working there and he's playing probably the best hockey of his career?

why are we even debating line combos for a trade that will never happen and with a coach who changes the lines daily?

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

View attachment 608693

Only one player left to activate.

$1,331,528 needs to be cleared.

FYI - waiving and burying Smith only saves $906,081
FYI2 - waiving and sending Frederic down only saves $845,676
FYI3 - waiving and burying anyone who makes over $1,125,000 only saves $906,081

Just curious, if the Bruins DON'T CLEAR cap; and Forbort is ready to go, what happens? Are ineligible to play?

(not suggesting that would happen, just curious)

Seems like Donny hockey might want to give this situation his undivided attention ASAP.

Also, that Pasta guy still needs a contract...

Sweeney's top priority seems to be on the backburner again.

 

[McGarnagle]

So Arizona just told the world they'll take cap dumps in their Chychrun deal (he's ready to return soon). His cap hit is only 4.6M for 2 more years after this one.

Shock the world!

To Arizona:

Brandon Carlo (4.1M)
Craig Smith (3.1M)
2023 1st round pick (come on #32!)
2024 2nd round pick
conditional 2023 3rd round pick (condition of making the conference finals AND Chychrun playing 4 playoff games)
OR If a prospect needs adding in, someone not in our top 4

Gryz-Charlie
Hampus-Chychrun
Forbort-Clifton

Enough room to activate Forbort. I think the sides L/R work.

If you have to trade Smith and a high pick ANYWAY, go for it? And get off the Carlo concussion merry-go-round.

Looking at the roster, I kind of feel like Carlo might have to be the piece we move to stay cap compliant.

Him out with another RD coming back with either a lower hit or some retention (if we throw in a draft pick or two). But there's the human factor since Carlo seems to be a great guy and liked in the room (I believe he's their union rep, or at least was a season or two ago).

 

[Hookslide]

So Arizona just told the world they'll take cap dumps in their Chychrun deal (he's ready to return soon). His cap hit is only 4.6M for 2 more years after this one.

Shock the world!

To Arizona:

Brandon Carlo (4.1M)
Craig Smith (3.1M)
2023 1st round pick (come on #32!)
2024 2nd round pick
conditional 2023 3rd round pick (condition of making the conference finals AND Chychrun playing 4 playoff games)
OR If a prospect needs adding in, someone not in our top 4

Gryz-Charlie
Hampus-Chychrun
Forbort-Clifton

Enough room to activate Forbort. I think the sides L/R work.

If you have to trade Smith and a high pick ANYWAY, go for it? And get off the Carlo concussion merry-go-rou

Looking at the roster, I kind of feel like Carlo might have to be the piece we move to stay cap compliant.

Him out with another RD coming back with either a lower hit or some retention (if we throw in a draft pick or two). But there's the human factor since Carlo seems to be a great guy and liked in the room (I believe he's their union rep, or at least was a season or two ago).

Bruins should not be giving up draft picks draft picks and a top 4 d-man just move cap..........

 

[bbfan419]

So Arizona just told the world they'll take cap dumps in their Chychrun deal (he's ready to return soon). His cap hit is only 4.6M for 2 more years after this one.

Shock the world!

To Arizona:

Brandon Carlo (4.1M)
Craig Smith (3.1M)
2023 1st round pick (come on #32!)
2024 2nd round pick
conditional 2023 3rd round pick (condition of making the conference finals AND Chychrun playing 4 playoff games)
OR If a prospect needs adding in, someone not in our top 4

Gryz-Charlie
Hampus-Chychrun
Forbort-Clifton

Enough room to activate Forbort. I think the sides L/R work.

If you have to trade Smith and a high pick ANYWAY, go for it? And get off the Carlo concussion merry-go-round.

We don;t have a 2024 2nd, went to the Ducks as part of the Lindholm deal, but I would still not do that deal, Chychrun is overrated and seems always injured.

 

[Over the volcano]

Does Forbort need to come back on the cap to be traded? Not saying he should be the one to go but hypothetically would they need to clear space to activate him to make him eligible to move?

 

[Gee Wally]

 

[DominicT]

Just curious, if the Bruins DON'T CLEAR cap; and Forbort is ready to go, what happens? Are ineligible to play?

(not suggesting that would happen, just curious)

When a player is medically cleared, the doctors inform the team, the league and the PA.

When that happens the league says okay now get compliant.

And you have no choice, you have to get compliant and make a trade or waive players down to the AHL until you are. Even if you drop under the 20 man roster.

Under the CBA, there is no such thing as non cap compliant. You can always get compliant.

 

[BergyWho37]

When a player is medically cleared, the doctors inform the team, the league and the PA.

When that happens the league says okay now get compliant.

And you have no choice, you have to get compliant and make a trade or waive players down to the AHL until you are. Even if you drop under the 20 man roster.

Under the CBA, there is no such thing as non cap compliant. You can always get compliant.

This is why I brought up Foligno but others took me the wrong way..

I get the team wants him here but thought they’d understand if it was until the trade happened as a last resort.