Post-Game Talk: Zibanejad worst Ranger since.....?

[GENESISPuck94]

Zibanejad unbothered at home right now strumming his ukulele, singing Lesbian Seagull, while his tofu is warming up. Later he'll take an e-bike down to the smoke shop so he can hotbox before the game Friday.

 

[17futurecap]

Shout out the Rangers having three forwards in the lineup every game that have no shot to score a goal. You would think by now one of Goodrow, Brodzinski or Bonino would just get a random bounce off a skate or body part to get their elusive second goal.

 

[leetch99]

Lavi not even going to match Turk #'s and with a better roster . Drury got to go and let the chips fall where they may . Kreids out the door next and then Mika Get lined up for the Gavin McKenna draft in 2026 ? In time our PP will be fine with Laffy-Kakko-Bread ,,,,,and we won't miss the lack of offense from Mika and Kreider at 5 on 5 ....and if we can find some guys that can play with more intensity and get more scoring chances and just make us wear down some dmen at 5 on 5 we should be not that bad off . Replace no even strength offense and no 5 on 5 effort via a few new faces it should be an improved product . Work in Othmann-Rempe-Edstrom-Sykora-Perreault , Then find a coach that does not enjoy guys taking nights off .....one can dream ! Moving Mika and Kreider likely will get us about an extra 11-12 million in Cap as we likely have to eat some for Mika. Discouraging......

 

[McRanger92]

Lavi not even going to match Turk #'s and with a better roster . Drury got to go and let the chips fall where they may . Kreids out the door next and then Mika Get lined up for the Gavin McKenna draft in 2026 ? In time our PP will be fine with Laffy-Kakko-Bread ,,,,,and we won't miss the lack of offense from Mika and Kreider at 5 on 5 ....and if we can find some guys that can play with more intensity and get more scoring chances and just make us wear down some dmen at 5 on 5 we should be not that bad off . Replace no even strength offense and no 5 on 5 effort via a few new faces it should be an improved product . Work in Othmann-Rempe-Edstrom-Sykora-Perreault , Then find a coach that does not enjoy guys taking nights off .....one can dream ! Moving Mika and Kreider likely will get us about an extra 11-12 million in Cap as we likely have to eat some for Mika. Discouraging......

Retool is coming. Mika and Kreider deciding to stop caring about anything but power play goals killed the rebuild more than any of the picks or prospects.

 

[mas0764]

Zibanejad is on a rapid decline, which unfortunately spells the end of whatever window we had to win.

Gee this wasn’t predicted at all by anyone

Retool is coming. Mika and Kreider deciding to stop caring about anything but power play goals killed the rebuild more than any of the picks or prospects.

Their lack of urgency is definitely part of it, but the unacknowledged part is that they are both over 30 and unless you are a unicorn, players devolve fast after 30.

No one wanted to believe it but maybe Zibanejad looks disinterested because in part he can’t make his body do the things it did anymore.

 

[Profet]

Shout out the Rangers having three forwards in the lineup every game that have no shot to score a goal. You would think by now one of Goodrow, Brodzinski or Bonino would just get a random bounce off a skate or body part to get their elusive second goal.

Dude... Brodzinski would have like 50g if this was the AHL.

Why is everyone so stressed? All we need to do is reduce the level of talent in the entire league and that will make Brodzinski useful.

No big deal.

For now... we'll just keep him in the lineup and wait.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Gee this wasn’t predicted at all by anyone



Their lack of urgency is definitely part of it, but the unacknowledged part is that they are both over 30 and unless you are a unicorn, players devolve fast after 30.

No one wanted to believe it but maybe Zibanejad looks disinterested because in part he can’t make his body do the things it did anymore.

I'm sick of Rangers trading for big guys that play soft. Id take a team full of Ryan Callahan types over players with size and that scared Mika, K'Andre Miller, Kreider hits when he wants or gets mad which is rarely.. Rangers need another helmet being thrown. The fact the Rangers aren't playing angry on the ice is telling. I don't want to hear that it's not in their DNA. They should be pissed off with their inconsistent play and lack of effort. Mentally Weak team that Drury built. I think Rangers need a brawl or a huge scrum for the team to wake up and be involved

 

[Machinehead]

The bromance fanfic has really taken a wild turn this season.

It's always so delightful to read.

 

[McRanger]

Laviolette this morning.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin is a Hall of Famer. He’s the unicorn. Guys like Kreider and Zibanejad aren’t even close to his level.

I don’t disagree with you that Kreider and Zibanejad are not doing what they need to do to be as successful as they can be, but I also don’t think they just decided to start mailing it in this year. This has been a constant problem with them (and perhaps one of the reasons they never took the final steps to true superstardom).

But in the past that was enough for 70-80 points. Now? Not so much.

The difference is that the skills are starting to erode.

I never said you fall off a cliff once reaching 30, but the decline is coming and for MOST players, betting on them to be your main drivers after 30 is foolish because the risk is so great.

Drury has a ton of mistakes in his record that are now becoming apparent to everyone else as well but perhaps his worst decision, maybe even worse than the Buch trade fiasco, was giving that abominable, unmoveable contract to Zibanejad.

We should start sending him hate mail to try to convince him to waive. If he agreed to a trade we could still get a very nice haul for him.

When your young players havent amounted to much, you have to rely on veterans. Drury's hands were a bit tied on the Zibanejad contract once it became clear Eichel wouldnt be traded here. He made up for it a bit with the Chytil and Trocheck contracts. Still, it's not good.

And as far as the the forward prospects being slow to develop, I'd argue some of that is on Kreider and Mika too. They could not or would not make it work with anyone who wasnt named Buchnevich or Vatrano. That's not leadership. Kakko stinks offensively, but what is he supposed to do with those 2?

 

[mas0764]

I'm sick of Rangers trading for big guys that play soft. Id take a team full of Ryan Callahan types over players with size and that scared Mika, K'Andre Miller, Kreider hits when he wants or gets mad which is rarely.. Rangers need another helmet being thrown. The fact the Rangers aren't playing angry on the ice is telling. I don't want to hear that it's not in their DNA. They should be pissed off with their inconsistent play and lack of effort. Mentally Weak team that Drury built. I think Rangers need a brawl or a huge scrum for the team to wake up and be involved

A team full of Ryan Callahans doesn't get you any further either. We've seen that. It's the 2012 Rangers.

Not sure what is so hard for people to understand here.

YOU NEED ELITE TALENT, and really you need at least one real elite center.

You need the MacKinnons, the Crosbys, the Kanes up front. Then you need the "secondary" elites - the Malkins, the Rantanens, the Toews.

We've never had either.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

Zibanejad unbothered at home right now strumming his ukulele, singing Lesbian Seagull, while his tofu is warming up. Later he'll take an e-bike down to the smoke shop so he can hotbox before the game Friday.

I love how unfiltered New Yorkers are. I live in the lower mainland and in 08 I worked at a call centre for geek squad and during training was told people from NY are ruthless and I gotta say they were right and It was awesome.
I had that one guy who asked where I was from and when I said Vancouver he went into a rant about me not even being American he then went on to throw 94 in my face after correctly assuming I'm Canadian so obviously love hockey.

FWIW attacking vegans is completely justified as they are one of the most judgy, I'm better than you demographic.

There was a story from beef capital Alberta where vegans had a rally outside a restaurant known for its meat. The chef/owner proceded to process a deer in front of them as they sat their in rage. He then went outside offering them the now cooked deer. Oh man they lost their shit

 

[mas0764]

When your young players havent amounted to much, you have to rely on veterans.

One of the reasons our young players haven't amounted to much IS the relying on veterans. The team does not properly develop it's youth.

But just assuming that we somehow drafted four top-10 busts in a row, despite two of them being touted as can't-miss types, then THATS WHY you keep the rebuild going until you have the talent. That's why you don't re-sign 29 year old LWs who have never broken 60 points. That's why you don't hand out 8 year contracts with zero flexibility to centers who aren't elite.

Does that mean we need to forego another playoff appearance or two? Yup.

Oh well.

Drury's hands were a bit tied on the Zibanejad contract once it became clear Eichel wouldnt be traded here. He made up for it a bit with the Chytil and Trocheck contracts. Still, it's not good.

Then you trade Zibanejad for an Eichel-like haul (two firsts, Krebs and Tuch or something) and start over.

If you want to make the argument that Drury is constrained because his owner won't let him make the smart move, ok, but then Dolan is the problem.

And as far as the the forward prospects being slow to develop, I'd argue some of that is on Kreider and Mika too. They could not or would not make it work with anyone who wasnt named Buchnevich or Vatrano. That's not leadership. Kakko stinks offensively, but what is he supposed to do with those 2?

Agreed, yes, that's part of it.

And instead of the coaching staff and administration coming in here and laying down the law as to what is best for the future of the franchise, it pandered to the vets, like it does on EVERYTHING, because it's too scared to admit to the owner and fanbase that MAYBE we don't have to do everything to win this year.

It's the same with the renting nonsense. No one wants to hear that renting is a bad value and you put yourself in better overall position by maneuvering for the future as opposed to having to have everything right this second.

It's like credit cards. Have to have it now. Can't save for another day. Then you end up broke, in debt, and whatever the frick you bought is never worth it.

Just like it wasn't worth it for us to get those six whole conference finals games.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

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Laviolette this morning.

Kreider - Mika - Wheeler confirmed for next game.

 

[Daves a mess]

Kakko could quit hockey and put on another 350 lbs and be Fat Bastard in the future re-make of Austin Powers. Probably the only option he has left at this point.

How to you say "GET IN MY BELLY!" In Finnish?

Maybe we can ask Mika.

 

[mas0764]

I went to bed and didn't see a minute of it.

They're just not very good. They have one line that drives play and one defenseman that can be relied on.

Just an untalented, ineffective team.

Blow it up.

Back to rebuilding.

Threaten families to get guys to waive.

Move Zibanejad, Kreider, Shesterkin, and Trouba this offseason. Buy out Goodrow if you can't pawn him off for nothing.

In 2-3 years we can build back up again and Fox will still be young enough for future runs.

 

[Mike in Houston]

How to you say "GET IN MY BELLY!" In Finnish?

Just Google it: päästä vatsaani

 

[Machinehead]

It wouldn't bother me if we didn't just throw Kreider in to fulfill this weird homoerotic fanfic.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME!

IT HAS NEVER BEEN THE SAME!!

Mika sucks at 5v5 since Moses wandered the dessert. Kreider is one of the best 5v5 wings of the last ten years.

I don't care what you think about Kreider. Piss into the wind. He's one of our most effective forwards. Always has been, still is.

"Don't want to work with anyone." Give me a f***ing break. Everyone playing with Kreider has the easiest job in the world except this loser Zibanejad, somehow.

I don't want to break them up because HURR DYURR BROMANCE I'M SO FUNNY! I want to break them up because we found the only center in the world that can play with Kreider and have it be a bad line.

This is always the players they were. The only difference is that Kreider mostly kept the line afloat and now he isn't. Blame Kreider for that if you want, but Fox is experiencing the same thing with Lindgren.

If you want to get rid of Kreider, fine. Get rid of Panarin and Fox too and just hard rebuild at that point.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

People didn't laugh because you were wrong about the team being bad. They laughed because you wanted to trade Fox for Brady Tkachuk.

Nah people laughed for months when i was ringing the alarm bell before I even mentioned that.

But I’ll say it again, I would trade adam fox for brady tkachuk.

Whats fox best at? Being a pp qb on an elite unit, right? Well guess what, this same pp unit made tony deangelo look like erik karlsson. A traffic cone could qb this pp. Heck, erik gustaffson this season when fox was out was a ppg game. He had 11 points in 10 games. The sens wouldnt move brady for fox though anyway

 

[Daves a mess]

Just Google it: päästä vatsaani

Oh boy.
Guess I missed on the delivery lol..

 

[Machinehead]

Zibanejad had one good year for the Rangers at 5v5, which was 2018-19. '

Even the year he paced for 90 goals, he wasn't that good. He shot like 25%.

We hitched our wagon to a "1C" that isn't good and never was good. We spent $56m on a 6D and promoted him to 1D this season.

Reverse those two moves and we're probably in pretty good shape. Don't play bad players. Definitely don't take bad players and put them in massive roles. Hockey is so easy.

 

[mas0764]

If you want to get rid of Kreider, fine. Get rid of Panarin and Fox too and just hard rebuild at that point.

I want to get rid of Kreider because he's a safety net for our management.

It's just time to rip off the band aid.

He's very good analytically but he can't be the best player on your first line if you want to win Cups.

He's 32. Time to move on. You can get a lot for him, that's the appeal.

 

[McRanger92]

It wouldn't bother me if we didn't just throw Kreider in to fulfill this weird homoerotic fanfic.

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THIS IS NOT THE SAME!

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IT HAS NEVER BEEN THE SAME!!

Mika sucks at 5v5 since Moses wandered the dessert. Kreider is one of the best 5v5 wings of the last ten years.

I don't care what you think about Kreider. Piss into the wind. He's one of our most effective forwards. Always has been, still is.

"Don't want to work with anyone." Give me a f***ing break. Everyone playing with Kreider has the easiest job in the world except this loser Zibanejad, somehow.

I don't want to break them up because HURR DYURR BROMANCE I'M SO FUNNY! I want to break them up because we found the only center in the world that can play with Kreider and have it be a bad line.

This is always the players they were. The only difference is that Kreider mostly kept the line afloat and now he isn't. Blame Kreider for that if you want, but Fox is experiencing the same thing with Lindgren.

If you want to get rid of Kreider, fine. Get rid of Panarin and Fox too and just hard rebuild at that point.

So what you're saying is Kreider will still have a lot of value on the trade market this summer?

 

[Machinehead]

Nah people laughed for months when i was ringing the alarm bell before I even mentioned that.

But I’ll say it again, I would trade adam fox for brady tkachuk.

Whats fox best at? Being a pp qb on an elite unit, right? Well guess what, this same pp unit made tony deangelo look like erik karlsson. A traffic cone could qb this pp. Heck, erik gustaffson this season when fox was out was a ppg game. He had 11 points in 10 games. The sens wouldnt move brady for fox though anyway

Worst take of the year is wrapped up and it's January. Extremely impressive.

 

[Machinehead]

So what you're saying is Kreider will still have a lot of value on the trade market this summer?

Ok, then we're rebuilding again. Great.