Post-Game Talk: Zibanejad worst Ranger since.....?

[I Eat Crow]

Pretty much agree with all of this except this is what McDonagh looks like now.

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Still solid 5v5 tho.

Solid 5 v 5 is what's needed. He's just an example as I'm sure there would be better and cheaper options if the pro scouts take a deeper dive.

Dealing Lindgren is the shake up trade to make, but it'll have to wait till the offseason. Trouba is going nowhere and Miller and Schneider still have upside if you put the former with Fox and give the latter a stable partner. Robertson was supposed to be that guy but his development stalled out. Too bad.

 

[turcotte8]

Rangers playing 3D chess apparently:

another team that can come into the league and win a cup before us.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Rangers playing 3D chess apparently:

I thought NMC's couldn't be exposed to an expansion draft without their ok to do so. Atlanta and Salt Lake coming into the league in two years to get out of our bad contracts would be a godsend.

 

[Profet]

I thought NMC's couldn't be exposed to an expansion draft without their ok to do so. Atlanta and Salt Lake coming into the league in two years to get out of our bad contracts would be a godsend.

I was more commenting on the talent dilution necessary for Brodzinski to be an NHL player.

 

[Machinehead]

Solid 5 v 5 is what's needed. He's just an example as I'm sure there would be better and cheaper options if the pro scouts take a deeper dive.

Dealing Lindgren is the shake up trade to make, but it'll have to wait till the offseason. Trouba is going nowhere and Miller and Schneider still have upside if you put the former with Fox and give the latter a stable partner. Robertson was supposed to be that guy but his development stalled out. Too bad.

Gus-Schneider has been good.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Gus-Schneider has been good.

They've been fine. I'm just not sure he's brought back if he asks for a lot more money.

 

[Machinehead]

They've been fine. I'm just not sure he's brought back if he asks for a lot more money.

I don't see him asking for a huge raise. He isn't a breakout star. He's in his 30's and the league always saw him the way they see him.

 

[Machinehead]

It's not just contracts.

I'm not at all convinced the Rangers see the players we point the finger at as problems.

Certainly not Zibanejad and Trouba.

 

[Profet]

It's not just contracts.

I'm not at all convinced the Rangers see the players we point the finger at as problems.

Certainly not Zibanejad and Trouba.

It's cool... I don't think Drury survives another coaching change.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Still waiting for accountability from Laviolette

 

[zlev]

its wild how quick this place turned on "Lavi". he was everyones god over the offseason and the first month. i told everyone he was a clown right away. i wanted Knoblauch. looks like I was right.

 

[turcotte8]

Still waiting for accountability from Laviolette

Mika needs to watch a game from the press box.

 

[smoneil]

His contract is buyout proof...Drury really screwed the pooch. Buying him out saves us nothing on the cap. We're stuck with him unless he miraculously waives or retires.

The first step with Zib is to play him according to the effort he's putting in. Start small. Sit him for a game. Move him to the 2nd PP unit until his ES play picks up. Take away his letter. Get progressively more severe until he wakes up or wants out. That's the issue. He feels NO pressure to change, and three successive coaches have given him anything he wanted with no accountability. It is LONG since time that he (and a couple of other guys) are taught that they aren't bigger than the team.

I said it in an earlier post: Zib was picking up his stick and whining to the ref while the game-winning goal went in behind him. That's an instant-scratch to me if I'm the coach. There is no excuse for that garbage. Even if he played fantastic the rest of the game (which he did not), that kind of move deserves an automatic one game trip to the press box. If you don't send a message, that kind of crap will not only keep happening; it will spread.

 

[Machinehead]

I believed all day that I was going to watch this game and then when 10:30 rolled around for some reason I decided I didn't want to deal with it. Call me a bad fan but I couldn't be happier that I skipped this one.

I went to bed because I was tired and I have work. We all have real lives.....



....most of us have real lives.

 

[mas0764]

Nothing you said about Kreider is relevant to this discussion. Maybe I disagree, but you basically took issue with Kreider's game. That's fine.

People make fun of Trouba for being interested in art. They make fun of Zibanejad for liking music. People make fun of Zibanejad using effeminate and homoerotic undertones. It's basically the P-word and the F-word without saying it.

It's not "gee, I think this guy should focus more on hockey," it's "I can't believe this homo paints." I know how to read between the lines. People have admitted an epithet. Maybe not you, but that's what it is most of the time.

Like, how f***ing old are we?

Eh, I feel like I'm one of the people who is very critical of players having outside interests, but I can honestly say it does not come from a place of "he's a P-word," but definitely more along the lines of "he needs to focus more on hockey."

I don't generally assume that most people come at it from a place of "He's a P-word/F-word."

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Dude, Copp ****** sucks. The idiots on here saying keep Copp realize Trocheck is not here, right? Kill him for Vatrano, fine, because he could've dumped Goodrow to do it. Motte is replaceable. Tyler Motte? See, this is where people start to lose sight of the actual issues and just spew nonsense.

....

Bonino, Pitlick, Wheeler, Brodzinski.

With the exception of Wheeler, Motte has more goals than the other 3, combined.

 

[McRanger92]

The first step with Zib is to play him according to the effort he's putting in. Start small. Sit him for a game. Move him to the 2nd PP unit until his ES play picks up. Take away his letter. Get progressively more severe until he wakes up or wants out. That's the issue. He feels NO pressure to change, and three successive coaches have given him anything he wanted with no accountability. It is LONG since time that he (and a couple of other guys) are taught that they aren't bigger than the team.

I said it in an earlier post: Zib was picking up his stick and whining to the ref while the game-winning goal went in behind him. That's an instant-scratch to me if I'm the coach. There is no excuse for that garbage. Even if he played fantastic the rest of the game (which he did not), that kind of move deserves an automatic one game trip to the press box. If you don't send a message, that kind of crap will not only keep happening; it will spread.

The team complains waaaay too much about calls. Fox is always throwing his hands up. Mika is always whining to the refs. You'd think this team would've realized the refs aren't going to bail them out a long time ago.

 

[Machinehead]

Eh, I feel like I'm one of the people who is very critical of players having outside interests, but I can honestly say it does not come from a place of "he's a P-word," but definitely more along the lines of "he needs to focus more on hockey."

I don't generally assume that most people come at it from a place of "He's a P-word/F-word."

A lot of comments about Zibanejad recently have been overtly sexual.

And even if it is just "don't have interests but hockey," that's bullshit anyway.

Michael Jordan is widely considered the most competitive athlete of all time and the guy did nothing but golf when the Bulls weren't playing.

 

[McRanger92]

A lot of comments about Zibanejad recently have been overtly sexual.

And even if it is just "don't have interests but hockey," that's bullshit anyway.

Michael Jordan is widely considered the most competitive athlete of all time and the guy did nothing but golf when the Bulls weren't playing.

Jordan also was kicked out of the league for a year because he was a gambling addict

 

[Anthony5967]

My only issue with Laviolette is his reluctance to shake it up. He saw what Edstrom could offer, so why ride with vets that are on fumes? Bonino and Goodrow have one goal all year. That is unbelievable. I'm not going to run another coach out of here. There isn't enough of a killer instinct or dedication to winning a Cup from certain core members than one would expect. It's what separates the winners from the losers. We saw it in game 7 against a rival. They never showed up for that game. Had PPs in first and their stars pissed down their legs to a younger team.
Now, they got what they wanted and ran the coach out for a more structured Gallant, one with a Cup, three other finals appearances, and they still don't finish periods, take their foot off the gas, and play careless hockey. It's not because of the GM, it's not because of the coach. The players need to take some accountability. Kreider and Zibanejad have been here for four coaches now. Well, Kreider five. Have never won, and neither are the captain. That says a lot.
As far as Drury, he pretty much was left with this core. He tried on Eichel. Once Ryan Mead decided to put up a billboard trashing Pegula, no shot in almighty hell were they sending him to Broadway. He had no choice but to sign Zibanejad, a player who had evolved into a hell of a player here. Fox was his signing. Trocheck was a solid signing. I understood what he was doing on Goodrow but never thought he should've caved and signed him to that type of deal. Nemeth's deal didn't work because he fell off a cliff here. Buchnevich for Blais and a 2nd was underwhelming at the time, but if Blais doesn't blow his knee out, who knows what would've happened with him. He tried to complement the top-6 stars with a Tampa-style bottom-6. I liked the combination of ability and physicality Blais brought.
Now, it's 2024. The two can't miss picks are still developing because they were used as plug and play third liners where their skills weren't properly enriched, and now they have a 30+ year-old core of guys that have never won, can't finish periods, and say the same beta male teleprompter bs every postgame after a brutal loss. It's old. No more firings. Start cutting out the cancers.

 

[Machinehead]

Jordan also was kicked out of the league for a year because he was a gambling addict

There you go! Basketball was like #3. Probably #4 actually, he always wanted to do baseball.

And this is not a guy that coasted and got by on talent, this is a guy who would kill his mother on the basketball court.

Interests away from the game being detrimental is bullshit.

 

[McRanger92]

My only issue with Laviolette is his reluctance to shake it up. He saw what Edstrom could offer, so why ride with vets that are on fumes? Bonino and Goodrow have one goal all year. That is unbelievable. I'm not going to run another coach out of here. There isn't enough of a killer instinct or dedication to winning a Cup from certain core members than one would expect. It's what separates the winners from the losers. We saw it in game 7 against a rival. They never showed up for that game. Had PPs in first and their stars pissed down their legs to a younger team.
Now, they got what they wanted and ran the coach out for a more structured Gallant, one with a Cup, three other finals appearances, and they still don't finish periods, take their foot off the gas, and play careless hockey. It's not because of the GM, it's not because of the coach. The players need to take some accountability. Kreider and Zibanejad have been here for four coaches now. Well, Kreider five. Have never won, and neither are the captain. That says a lot.
As far as Drury, he pretty much was left with this core. He tried on Eichel. Once Ryan Mead decided to put up a billboard trashing Pegula, no shot in almighty hell were they sending him to Broadway. He had no choice but to sign Zibanejad, a player who had evolved into a hell of a player here. Fox was his signing. Trocheck was a solid signing. I understood what he was doing on Goodrow but never thought he should've caved and signed him to that type of deal. Nemeth's deal didn't work because he fell off a cliff here. Buchnevich for Blais and a 2nd was underwhelming at the time, but if Blais doesn't blow his knee out, who knows what would've happened with him. He tried to complement the top-6 stars with a Tampa-style bottom-6. I liked the combination of ability and physicality Blais brought.
Now, it's 2024. The two can't miss picks are still developing because they were used as plug and play third liners where their skills weren't properly enriched, and now they have a 30+ year-old core of guys that have never won, can't finish periods, and say the same beta male teleprompter bs every postgame after a brutal loss. It's old. No more firings. Start cutting out the cancers.

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[will1066]

I do like the Sharks' current shade of teal. They call their current uniforms the "Evolve" uniforms.

 

[McRanger92]

There you go! Basketball was like #3. Probably #4 actually, he always wanted to do baseball.

And this is not a guy that coasted and got by on talent, this is a guy who would kill his mother on the basketball court.

Interests away from the game being detrimental is bullshit.

I mean he also won 6 championships. Buys you a bit of leeway. Meeka stopped trying after scoring 24 in 20 during the ECF run and Trouba has never at any point lived up to his contract.

 

[turcotte8]

I mean he also won 6 championships. Buys you a bit of leeway. Meeka stopped trying after scoring 24 in 20 during the ECF run and Trouba has never at any point lived up to his contract.

Also Jordan was the best player in the league for how many years? Mika is not that. I doubt Edmonton fans care about what McDavid does in his off time.