Post-Game Talk: Zibanejad worst Ranger since.....?

[Machinehead]

@Machinehead My 5 worst since 2010:

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5. Jeff Woywitka

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4. Pretty Boy Taylor Pyatt

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3. Justin Falk

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2. Kris Newbury

and the King of the Worst:

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1. Darroll Powe​

Woywitka was a meme hero for me.

A lot of these guys didn't exist enough to bother me, but they were all certainly bad.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Didn't watch last night because I'm an old man, but just a general observation.

This team stopped playing the way that made them successful to start the year as soon as December 1st hit.

I'm way more concerned about the makeup of the defensive corps of this team than I am the forwards. Lindgren has to go. He's a #warrior, but he's not cut out for the modern game. Said it a while back but this group needs a poor man's Ryan McDonagh badly. Someone that can transport the puck and make a good zone exit but knows what they're doing in their own end. Hell, I'd call Nashville up for today's Ryan McDonagh and see what they want for him at 50% retained and replace Lindgren.

The only way out of Zibanejad's contract is a buyout. This team badly needs defensive prospect depth but I'd still use our next two year's worth of 1st rounders on centers with how ass Zibanejad has been and Chytil's questionable status.

Lindgren to Arizona for Barrett Hayton and our 2024 2nd back at the draft. I'm going to beat the drum until then until it manifests itself into existence.

 

[Fitzy]

He would have read this team the riot act...

And that's really what I want... a coach that looks at the current performance of this roster and holds them accountable.

This roster isn't built for Torts hockey.

 

[Kovalev27]

Couple of things.

The powerplay will be fine. Generating top 3 in the league in chances still. So it’s just cold but you stick with it.

The d pairings I don’t understand why they’re written in blood. I truely don’t. I trade lindgren that’s the shakeup I make. I’m not resigning him so I’m trading him. I’d also consider trading Schneider as part of a deal for chychrun if they want a right D so badly. I’ll get a cheap 6th righty D to fill in for him.

Kakko I’m trading for an actual shooter can’t just have Panarin. Who’s the only natural scorer on the roster. Need another shooter. Chytil will be one. I need another. Vatrano makes sense to me. Has term. Send kakko west you’ll never think of him again.

Need to shake this roster up

 

[McRanger92]

"Well within your rights" is one thing but it doesn't make it any less sad and gross.

Your tendency to take the sport personally is why you continually fail to assess the roster outside of emotion and emotional responses.

And I care about it a great deal, obviously, but I don't treat the Rangers like bad people or inadequate men because they don't win at hockey. It's high jock behavior except the nerds are making fun of the jocks.

We're not splitting the atom here, it's an internet message board. Sorry I dared to criticize the Sacred Cow. Ill still pay out the ass for tickets when #20 gets raised to the rafters. So spare me the gatekeeping on what we can and cant criticize. We're all fans. Not experts.

 

[Anthony5967]

Drury handed out extensions like candy to a core that never proved they had an ounce of what it takes to win it all and now we’re stuck with it for years.

Like who? Zibanejad? Because Kreider was here already, as was Panarin. You wouldn't have locked up Fox? Trocheck deal is fine. It's okay to blame him for not getting Eichel but he did not hand out extensions to the core like candy. Not true.

As far as killer instinct with the core, they don't have any because winning for 20 and 93 isn't the be all end all.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Didn't watch last night because I'm an old man, but just a general observation.

This team stopped playing the way that made them successful to start the year as soon as December 1st hit.

I'm way more concerned about the makeup of the defensive corps of this team than I am the forwards. Lindgren has to go. He's a #warrior, but he's not cut out for the modern game. Said it a while back but this group needs a poor man's Ryan McDonagh badly. Someone that can transport the puck and make a good zone exit but knows what they're doing in their own end. Hell, I'd call Nashville up for today's Ryan McDonagh and see what they want for him at 50% retained and replace Lindgren.

The only way out of Zibanejad's contract is a buyout. This team badly needs defensive prospect depth but I'd still use our next two year's worth of 1st rounders on centers with how ass Zibanejad has been and Chytil's questionable status.

Lindgren to Arizona for Barrett Hayton and our 2024 2nd back at the draft. I'm going to beat the drum until then until it manifests itself into existence.

His contract is buyout proof...Drury really screwed the pooch. Buying him out saves us nothing on the cap. We're stuck with him unless he miraculously waives or retires.

 

[Profet]

This roster isn't built for Torts hockey.

That's the thing about Torts... he's pretty good about changing his style/systems depending on the personnel on hand.

When he coached the Rangers they were literally talentless... he made them play a 6 goalie system... and it worked (at least in teaching those players how to stay in this league and play defense... eventually leading to the cup run with AV).

If you mean being yelled at... then we can agree.

 

[stratguy13]

Laviolette is a private guy it stays in locker room. Don't think for a second he didn't rip them. The problem at this point is there are no leaders on this team. They're to soft. Changes after the season need to be made. They have gone as far as they can with this group. I don't need Bonino, Goodrow, Wheeler in the lineup. Bring up Edstrom again along with Bedard and give them a shot. If you aren't high on Jones bring Robertson up and play him. Gustafsson doesn't deserve to play every game either. I also agree there defensive makeup stinks. I love Lindgren but he's to small and can't move guys out. Miller should be the more physical guy with his size but he's soft. Schneider hits like Trouba but he hasn't really gotten much better. They need a puck mover that isn't shy either about hitting. I would love to get Mcdonagh back but that's not happening. Gustafsson needs to sit. I want to see what Robertson has to give but I don't see that happening

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Sorry, folks.

In order for this team to take a step forward, you should be hoping this team misses the playoffs.

This isn't just your regular rut that other teams go through. The core sucks, missing the playoffs might make Dolan fire Drury, maybe Lavy isn't immune to it as well.

Hopefully the new GM tells both Kreider and Ziba they suck more on the ice than in the privacy of their bedroom between two consenting adults...and Trouba gets bought-out!

I seriously doubt Drury is going to get fired any time soon -- even if they miss the playoffs. Remember, people were praising him for his signings during off season and his trade deadline acquisitions. (I also suspect he was hand picked by Sather to succeed him.)

Everyone in the known world knew/knows this season is a last ditch effort to "go for it" with this core because of their cap constraints. Drury really begins earning his paycheck come the off season when he starts to have options regarding the albatross contracts.

 

[Machinehead]

Didn't watch last night because I'm an old man, but just a general observation.

This team stopped playing the way that made them successful to start the year as soon as December 1st hit.

I'm way more concerned about the makeup of the defensive corps of this team than I am the forwards. Lindgren has to go. He's a #warrior, but he's not cut out for the modern game. Said it a while back but this group needs a poor man's Ryan McDonagh badly. Someone that can transport the puck and make a good zone exit but knows what they're doing in their own end. Hell, I'd call Nashville up for today's Ryan McDonagh and see what they want for him at 50% retained and replace Lindgren.

The only way out of Zibanejad's contract is a buyout. This team badly needs defensive prospect depth but I'd still use our next two year's worth of 1st rounders on centers with how ass Zibanejad has been and Chytil's questionable status.

Lindgren to Arizona for Barrett Hayton and our 2024 2nd back at the draft. I'm going to beat the drum until then until it manifests itself into existence.

Pretty much agree with all of this except this is what McDonagh looks like now.

Still solid 5v5 tho.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Pretty much agree with all of this except this is what McDonagh looks like now.

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Still solid 5v5 tho.

So a massive upgrade on Lindgren.

 

[Machinehead]

We're not splitting the atom here, it's an internet message board. Sorry I dared to criticize the Sacred Cow. Ill still pay out the ass for tickets when #20 gets raised to the rafters. So spare me the gatekeeping on what we can and cant criticize. We're all fans. Not experts.

Nothing you said about Kreider is relevant to this discussion. Maybe I disagree, but you basically took issue with Kreider's game. That's fine.

People make fun of Trouba for being interested in art. They make fun of Zibanejad for liking music. People make fun of Zibanejad using effeminate and homoerotic undertones. It's basically the P-word and the F-word without saying it.

It's not "gee, I think this guy should focus more on hockey," it's "I can't believe this homo paints." I know how to read between the lines. People have admitted an epithet. Maybe not you, but that's what it is most of the time.

Like, how f***ing old are we?

 

[puckie]

He would have read this team the riot act...

And that's really what I want... a coach that looks at the current performance of this roster and holds them accountable.

Today's player is different than when I grew up. Torts message may work for a short burst but not a long term solution. As a coach of today's generation, I have found out you need to keep high standards but connect with them and push them from a more positive manner. It is a balancing act. You can also use egos to motivate, like "that guys thinks he better than you are you, are you going to prove him wrong by poppin in a few goals or shutting him down?" It is a different mind set. Too much yelling and negativity shuts them down. I also use "what are three thing we did well and what are three things we need to work on?" questions after games to help teach and engage.

 

[turcotte8]

Since Dec 1st we're 13-13. 2 months of mediocrity.

 

[Anthony5967]

I disagree.

Trading Buch, signing Reaves, Nemeth, Goodrow, not keeping Copp, Vatrano, Motte, Tarasenko, or Kane, naming f***ing Truoba captain!

Dude, Copp ****** sucks. The idiots on here saying keep Copp realize Trocheck is not here, right? Kill him for Vatrano, fine, because he could've dumped Goodrow to do it. Motte is replaceable. Tyler Motte? See, this is where people start to lose sight of the actual issues and just spew nonsense.

 

[Fitzy]

BTW folks, trading Kreider, Shesterkin, Zibanejad and Trouba in one offseason isn't a 'retool'

That's a rebuild. Not to get mired in semantics, but that's just calling a spade a spade.

We're 29-16- I think some half measures are still appropriate. Move Goodrow, probably Lindgren unless he accepts a pay cut (It's possible!) Test the market for Kakko but don't give him away.

We will have cap space this offseason.

And yes NYR dodged a huge bullet by not keeping Copp or Strome so let's just thank our lucky stars that Goodrow has been the worst move by Drury so far.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

All you need to do is break up the bromance. One of Kreider or Mika need to go.

They are dragging this team down. Absolute SHIT leaders. At least Trouba has leadership even if he sucks every other game.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Need more farm boy Canadians on this team... Need some p*** & vinegar. This team has no character.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

He would have read this team the riot act...

And that's really what I want... a coach that looks at the current performance of this roster and holds them accountable.

The thing is lavi is known for getting on his teams. I almost wonder if he realizes how mentally weak this bunch is and that he cant yell at them without them collapsing

Need more farm boy Canadians on this team... Need some p*** & vinegar. This team has no character.

Nailed it. This is the least enjoyable team ive ever watched in my 30 years of watching the team. Its so hard to root for them

All you need to do is break up the bromance. One of Kreider or Mika need to go.

They are dragging this team down. Absolute SHIT leaders. At least Trouba has leadership even if he sucks every other game.

And that one is mika. Damn shame he has 7 years of a NMC left at 8.5. Insane

 

[stratguy13]

I've watched this team for 55 years. I had season tickets and saw the only cup. The only guy to bring this team a cup was the greatest leader in sports. Messier. Guy was all guts and heart and willed them to a Cup. He won 6 and won without Gretzky twice. How the f*** this guy has been alienated by this loser organization I will never get. I don't wanna hear he has no experience running a team. Did Yzerman or Sakic? The guy should be the GM . He knows what type of players you need to win. We have run through coaches,players,GM's at a record clip. This guy should have gotten a shot.One cup in 84 years. Luckily i Saw it. This team isn't winning with this team. To soft on defensive end and offensive end. The only 2 i look forward to seeing are Cullye and Othman because they have tremendous upside and play the right way. I'd be bringing up Berard and Edstrom to see if they can give a boost. It's not like Bonino and Wheeler need to play every game

 

[zlev]

bad loss but to be fair we'd basically be the Sharks if we hadn't signed Panarin and Fox

 

[McRanger92]

I've watched this team for 55 years. I had season tickets and saw the only cup. The only guy to bring this team a cup was the greatest leader in sports. Messier. Guy was all guts and heart and willed them to a Cup. He won 6 and won without Gretzky twice. How the f*** this guy has been alienated by this loser organization I will never get. I don't wanna hear he has no experience running a team. Did Yzerman or Sakic? The guy should be the GM . He knows what type of players you need to win. We have run through coaches,players,GM's at a record clip. This guy should have gotten a shot.One cup in 84 years. Luckily i Saw it. This team isn't winning with this team. To soft on defensive end and offensive end. The only 2 i look forward to seeing are Cullye and Othman because they have tremendous upside and play the right way. I'd be bringing up Berard and Edstrom to see if they can give a boost. It's not like Bonino and Wheeler need to play every game

He shouldve been named president before Davidson. If you want someone to blame for the rebuild going sideways 18 months in, blame him for orchestrating the Trouba trade and signing Panarin. Its not too late to bring messier back into the organization. Nobody else involved with the Rangers knows dick about building a winner in NY.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

One of the reasons our young players haven't amounted to much IS the relying on veterans. The team does not properly develop it's youth.

But just assuming that we somehow drafted four top-10 busts in a row, despite two of them being touted as can't-miss types, then THATS WHY you keep the rebuild going until you have the talent. That's why you don't re-sign 29 year old LWs who have never broken 60 points. That's why you don't hand out 8 year contracts with zero flexibility to centers who aren't elite.

Does that mean we need to forego another playoff appearance or two? Yup.

Oh well.



Then you trade Zibanejad for an Eichel-like haul (two firsts, Krebs and Tuch or something) and start over.

If you want to make the argument that Drury is constrained because his owner won't let him make the smart move, ok, but then Dolan is the problem.


Agreed, yes, that's part of it.

And instead of the coaching staff and administration coming in here and laying down the law as to what is best for the future of the franchise, it pandered to the vets, like it does on EVERYTHING, because it's too scared to admit to the owner and fanbase that MAYBE we don't have to do everything to win this year.

It's the same with the renting nonsense. No one wants to hear that renting is a bad value and you put yourself in better overall position by maneuvering for the future as opposed to having to have everything right this second.

It's like credit cards. Have to have it now. Can't save for another day. Then you end up broke, in debt, and whatever the frick you bought is never worth it.

Just like it wasn't worth it for us to get those six whole conference finals games.

Dolan has always been part of the problem.

 

[Profet]

Dude... Brodzinski would have like 50g if this was the AHL.

Why is everyone so stressed? All we need to do is reduce the level of talent in the entire league and that will make Brodzinski useful.

No big deal.

For now... we'll just keep him in the lineup and wait.

Rangers playing 3D chess apparently: