Confirmed with Link: Zetterlund, Robins, 4th to Ottawa for 2025 2nd, Zack Ostapchuk, Noah Gregor

[fasterthanlight]

Macklin's gotta be careful he doesn't end the season too strongly or else he may find himself on the trade block.

cut to macklin standing on his toes in front of a stadiometer to try to make it to 6' as GM MG furrows his brow

 

[Le Grand Quebecois]

Baracuda looking strong this post season!

 

[spintops]

This trade for the sens is the type of trade we should be doing.. nothing prospect + 2nd round picks for a good 25 year old NHL player

 

[Timo Time]

It was the case before, but this summer just got even more interesting and important.

 

[TheBeard]

cut to macklin standing on his toes in front of a stadiometer to try to make it to 6' as GM MG furrows his brow

 

[Star Platinum]

Since the Sharks had team control of Zetterlund, the only way that it made sense to me to ever trade him was if it brought back a defenseman, so this one doesn't make a lot of sense to me

 

[Lebanezer]

Baracuda looking strong this post season!

You mean tall. Cagnoni is still there though bringing down the average.

 

[coooldude]

Probably a big hint as to why this happened.

 

[TheBeard]

Someone mentioned the human cost in another thread earlier and while I don't think there is any of that in getting rid of Walman and Kunin, Zetterlund felt like someone who really gelled with the kids. And he was young enough to be part of the core for a while. We can't just have a team of 19-21 year olds. That's not realistic. I don't think Zetterlund himself is some amazing piece, but I do worry that when its time for Eklund and later Smith/Celebring to sign their first non rookie deals, will they start asking themselves why stay here? What does San Jose offer them that other teams don't? You are not winning much here, but now your buddies are moving on too.

Probably why Toffoli demanded a NMC. He probably would have been gone after that sleepover stunt.

 

[TheBeard]

Probably a big hint as to why this happened.

Yeah. Wennberg's 5 million made Zetterlund's 6 million ask too unreasonable.

 

[Star Platinum]

Grier is just addicted to trading.

He's like the guy in your fantasy league who's making trades ten minutes after the draft is over

 

[Hodge]

He's putting up 0.733 points per game in the minors as a 21 year old

That's a nothing player

Come on dude, this is an insanely overconfident statement re:Ostapchuk. None of us know very much about him besides the fact that he is big and his production is god awful.

Agree with everything else you're saying about Zetterlund - I wanted to trade him - but this is a shitty return and I'd rather have waited until the offseason if this was all we could get.

Zetterlund's career AHL points per game at Ostapchuk's age was 0.48

I'm not saying Ostapchuk is going to be as good as Zetterlund but his production is only "godawful" if you're expecting him to become a top six forward. Being a full-time player on the Sens this year is a promising sign as is the fact he's big, physical and can play center. Lots of ways he can make himself useful in a contender's bottom six.

I really think Zetterlund's arbitration case may have scared Grier. The stats used in these cases are pretty limited and I could easily see his agent arguing that Zetterlund being +8 on a -72 team makes him extremely valuable even though we all know that doesn't actually reflect his impact.

 

[branch]

We need to stop trading with Ottawa

This is karma for you guys trading Boedker to us

 

[TheBeard]

He's like the guy in your fantasy league who's making trades ten minutes after the draft is over

He's the guy bidding at the last second in an auction draft just for the drama.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

youll never believe who scored at a worse rate in their D+4 season, while not even sniffing NHL time until the following season.

Spoiler

zetterlund himself

again the prime asset may be the 2025 2nd. Grier might want to make another move with that pick like he did the NJD and package it with the Dal 1 to move around.

Every player takes a different development path. Zetterlund beating the odds doesn't change what the odds are for Ostapchuk, and there's no reason to center your current evaluation of Zetterlund on what his odds were 4 years ago when it's already clear he's beaten them.

 

[Star Platinum]

I've generally really liked Grier but this trade gives me a bad feeling about the "building back up" part of this rebuild. If we're trading Zetterlund for guys like Noah Gregor and Ostapchuk, what the hell is the vision for this team, exactly? Celebrini, Smith, Eklund and a bunch of large 4th liners?

One thing that seems abundantly clear to me from this deadline is that he wants this team to be a lot bigger

 

[Juxtaposer]

I mean hes gone from 28p in 69gp to 11 in 15g in the AHL in 1 year and is only 21. Lets not act like hes a 25year old scoring 28 in 69gp still.

Im not even saying this is a good trade, but the sky is falling chicken little style act of the board again means sharks hockey is BACK

11 points in 15 AHL games is meaningless this season. One or two bad bounces and he's back at that 0.5 PPG pace.

Ostapchuk has never scored at anything resembling the pace of a guy who is going to be score at a top-9 level in the NHL. This is a fourth liner.

 

[WSS11]

Grier just went full Brad Pitt moneyball on this team.

Grier: Coach, I need you to start Goodrow with Mack and Smith.


Warso: Well I’m starting Zetterlund with Mack and Smith.

Grier: I just traded Zetterlund to OTT.

 

[OrrNumber4]

If Ostapchuk scores 30 points next season and then 40-50 the next, I'll change my mind. But he isn't trending that way at all. Exceptions are exceptions, they are not the rule!

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Zetterlund's career AHL points per game at Ostapchuk's age was 0.48

I'm not saying Ostapchuk is going to be as good as Zetterlund but his production is only "godawful" if you're expecting him to become a top six forward. Being a full-time player on the Sens this year is a promising sign as is the fact he's big, physical and can play center. Lots of ways he can make himself useful in a contender's bottom six.

I really think Zetterlund's arbitration case may have scared Grier. The stats used in these cases are pretty limited and I could easily see his agent arguing that Zetterlund being +8 on a -72 team makes him extremely valuable even though we all know that doesn't actually reflect his impact.

The Sens putting him in that spot is mildly encouraging I agree but that encouragement is almost entirely killed off by the fact that he's been one of the worst players in the NHL in that spot.

 

[Star Platinum]

Is 50 points really "top 6 scoing" in today's scoring environment

I like Zetterlund a lot and think he's useful but on a good team he's a 3rd line scorer that can fill in higher in the lineup in case of injury

I wanted to keep him, but I can understand Mike being apprehensive if he was asking for like $7M a season

I think he's an in between guy. High end third line, low end second line player. Because he played on the first line last season, I think there's a tendency to overrate him. But he's young and not unrestricted so I would have had to have a compelling offer to move him and this isn't it.

 

[TheBeard]

This is the first time I've ever seen a deal universally panned by every person in the world.

 

[fasterthanlight]

How did we mess things up with Claude Lemieux? He's a shark for life </s>

 

[Levie]

I feel like Grier could have gotten much more. Not sure I understand.

 

[Hodge]

Makes sense. Lemieux knows he has a strong hand in arbitration so I wouldn't be surprised if the counteroffer was something ridiculous. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out for Ottawa in the summer.