Player Discussion Zdeno Chara

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CharasLazyWrister

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Just read both Pasta/K.Miller back for tomorrow's game.

I think Chiller is sitting again.

I'm still waiting for an answer (as I have been for months) as to what exactly about Colin Miller's game is supposed to give me hope he can play a regular role in the NHL.

Krug is ripped to shreds on a nightly basis (I'm not saying some of his criticism is without reason) yet we have people clamoring for Colin Miller to get put into the lineup daily. Quite confused. He is no better on defense than Krug and I certainly haven't seen him prove much in the way of offense either.

And before anyone says "he's young and we don't know his potential"...he's a year separated from Krug. ONE YEAR.
 

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I'm still waiting for an answer (as I have been for months) as to what exactly about Colin Miller's game is supposed to give me hope he can play a regular role in the NHL.

Krug is ripped to shreds on a nightly basis (I'm not saying some of his criticism is without reason) yet we have people clamoring for Colin Miller to get put into the lineup daily. Quite confused. He is no better on defense than Krug and I certainly haven't seen him prove much in the way of offense either.

And before anyone says "he's young and we don't know his potential"...he's a year separated from Krug. ONE YEAR.

One of them has 260 NHL games and there's no more mystery,the other has 56 NHL games. When he gets to 200+ we'll know.
 

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Everything in that first shift in second looked pretty innocent.

Probably a rhetorical question because we'd all be talking about it if we'd seen something but did anyone see anything odd at all in first?

Makes no difference I know, but I'd be happier if someone say him block a shot off the foot or something. I'll take anything over a reoccurance of his previous knee problems. THAT could spell bad winds brewing......

Ugh
 

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One of them has 260 NHL games and there's no more mystery,the other has 56 NHL games. When he gets to 200+ we'll know.

Pretty sure people were criticizing Krug before the 200 game mark, but okay...

I feel like there's a lot of blind faith with Colin. I have been waiting to see something for 56 games at this point...

I feel like he gets complimented for not being completely awful. He's going to have to show me a bit more than "not being completely awful".
 

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Pretty sure people were criticizing Krug before the 200 game mark, but okay...

I feel like there's a lot of blind faith with Colin. I have been waiting to see something for 56 games at this point...

I feel like he gets complimented for not being completely awful. He's going to have to show me a bit more than "not being completely awful".

I was one of them. But the point is that no one really knows what they will be until they have 4 or 5 years under their belt. Making a determination on a player after 56 games is silly,unless they are on the top of the bottom of the spectrum.
 

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I was one of them. But the point is that no one really knows what they will be until they have 4 or 5 years under their belt. Making a determination on a player after 56 games is silly,unless they are on the top of the bottom of the spectrum.

You acted like he starting playing hockey in his first game in the NHL. He has struggled to get into an NHL lineup during his early 20's and has not found any sort of consistency. So all of his experience prior to now should be discounted and we should wait another four or so years to make a valid determination on his play? I would hope after 56 games, I would see something that would give me hope but I haven't. And, as I said before, I plead with people daily to point me to something I am missing...something I should be seeing. And I get the same "welp, you just don't know" type response.

I really do feel like he is a fringe NHL player and always will be. I hope I'm wrong. But this idea that a 24 year old deserves another four or so years for proper judging is what is silly. You've watched him. I've watched him. He has been playing hockey for a solid 20 years of his life. This "you just don't know" mantra is nothing more than a rose colored way of preserving hope when there isn't much to identify.
 

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You acted like he starting playing hockey in his first game in the NHL. He has struggled to get into an NHL lineup during his early 20's and has not found any sort of consistency. So all of his experience prior to now should be discounted and we should wait another four or so years to make a valid determination on his play? I would hope after 56 games, I would see something that would give me hope but I haven't. And, as I said before, I plead with people daily to point me to something I am missing...something I should be seeing. And I get the same "welp, you just don't know" type response.

I really do feel like he is a fringe NHL player and always will be. I hope I'm wrong. But this idea that a 24 year old deserves another four or so years for proper judging is what is silly. You've watched him. I've watched him. He has been playing hockey for a solid 20 years of his life. This "you just don't know" mantra is nothing more than a rose colored way of preserving hope when there isn't much to identify.

Always such a joy talking to you:sarcasm:
. And yes,after 56 NHL games you have no clue what he will be after 200. Plenty excel early,plenty fail early,most need the triumvirate of experience,physical maturity and mental maturity to converge before an accurate assessment can be made.
 

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Pretty incredible that he's still playing so many minutes at his age.

Greatest free agent signing ever?

Too many minutes are catching up to him much earlier than previous years.

Krug - XXX
Chara - Carlo

Mangement has two options...fill in the three letter XXX's now or fill in the letters DNQ for the third time beside this Bruins season.
 

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Too many minutes are catching up to him much earlier than previous years.

Krug - XXX
Chara - Carlo

Mangement has two options...fill in the three letter XXX's now or fill in the letters DNQ for the third time beside this Bruins season.

When you have KRUG on your number one pairing. Thats pretty bad. I like Chara and Carlo as the second pairing. But you need a one and a two.......Krug can play on the third pairing.
 

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Too many minutes are catching up to him much earlier than previous years.

Krug - XXX
Chara - Carlo

Mangement has two options...fill in the three letter XXX's now or fill in the letters DNQ for the third time beside this Bruins season.

You watch his back-check (or lack thereof) on the Nielsen breakaway goal in the 2nd, and I'm inclined to agree with you.

Problem is, who can fill that XXXX right now?

Your not getting Trouba without Carlo or Pasta (Carlo might not do it they way it might of back in Oct/Nov).

Shattenkirk maybe but your not getting him for futures, so someone of significance is going back.

Stone was an under the radar option but he's been awful for Arizona this season coming back from knee injury.

Pretty hard to fill that spot alongside Krug right now. I'm a big Colin Miller fan but even I don't want to see him alongside Krug if it's the Krug pair getting elevated minutes at the expense of Chara-Carlo.

Combine that with the expected arrival of McAvoy next season only complicates matters.
 

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Hahahaah....please stop. :shakehead

Stop nothing....Its a big boys game at that position. The guy is minus 8 and has the worst shooting percentage in the game. Keep drinking that kool aid. Not even one hit in last nights game. How does a DMAN ever play a game, without hitting an apposing player. LOL, That is funny stuff. A entire game without a hit. You cant make it up.
 

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riginally Posted by Brucentric View Post
When you have KRUG on your number one pairing. Thats pretty bad. I like Chara and Carlo as the second pairing. But you need a one and a two.......Krug can play on the third pairing.

Hahahaah....please stop. :shakehead

Sorry you are wrong and the poster above is correct. Krug on a third pairing with all the PP time he can handle is the perfict fit.
 

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Stop nothing....Its a big boys game at that position. The guy is minus 8 and has the worst shooting percentage in the game. Keep drinking that kool aid. Not even one hit in last nights game. How does a DMAN ever play a game, without hitting an apposing player. LOL, That is funny stuff. A entire game without a hit. You cant make it up.

I see McQuaid hits last night really did a lot to prevent another collapse. :shakehead

But hey keep thinking Krug is a bottom pair guy because he's 5-9.

It's not 2004 anymore. The dead puck era and big tough D-men being the order of the day are long gone. If you stink with the puck on your stick in today's game, you can't play, end of story.
 

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riginally Posted by Brucentric View Post
When you have KRUG on your number one pairing. Thats pretty bad. I like Chara and Carlo as the second pairing. But you need a one and a two.......Krug can play on the third pairing.



Sorry you are wrong and the poster above is correct. Krug on a third pairing with all the PP time he can handle is the perfict fit.

A D-man making 5.25 million per on the 3rd pair is a perfect fit?

Maybe in a non-cap system it is.

You guys need to get with the times.
 

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Stop nothing....Its a big boys game at that position. The guy is minus 8 and has the worst shooting percentage in the game. Keep drinking that kool aid. Not even one hit in last nights game. How does a DMAN ever play a game, without hitting an apposing player. LOL, That is funny stuff. A entire game without a hit. You cant make it up.

Just from last night 16 dmen played a game without throwing a single hit including:

Norris favourite Brent Burns, young stud Aaron Ekblad, Ekman-Larsson and other solid players like Trevor Daley, Michael Matheson, Toby Enstrom and Oscar Klefbom.

You can't make that up....
 

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Chara looked really bad last night,Maybee getting worn down playing to many minutes is starting to catch up with him.How many times did he ice the puck last night.
 

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Just from last night 16 dmen played a game without throwing a single hit including:

Norris favourite Brent Burns, young stud Aaron Ekblad, Ekman-Larsson and other solid players like Trevor Daley, Michael Matheson, Toby Enstrom and Oscar Klefbom.

You can't make that up....

Who cares.......I dont care what players from other teams do. EKMAN LARSSon is an over rated Swedish player like Lidstrom was. Ekblad has come down to earth this season and Burns has decided he wants only to play offense these days....

Boston Bruins Defensemen are supposed to hit people coming across the blue line, on the wall, in the corners, in front of the net...Thats what defensemen are paid for to hit people and prevent goals, Not score. Scoring is an added bonus after they take care of the house. Krug can not and will not ever be able to take care of his house. So in effect he is half a player who is not very good at what the job description of his job is. "Defensemen"

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Defence (defense in the USA) in ice hockey is a player position whose primary responsibility is to prevent the opposing team from scoring. They are often referred to as defencemen, D, D-men or blueliners (the latter a reference to the blue line in ice hockey which represents the boundary of the offensive zone; defencemen generally position themselves along the line to keep the puck in the zone). They were once called cover-point. A good defenceman is both strong in defensive and offensive play and for defenceman pairing also need to be good at defending and attacking. Take a sip of Kool aid and let me know how he is defensively.
 
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