Weekes: Zadorov requested a trade

[Martin Skoula]

I get it, he struggles on the defensive side of the game. But he's an NHL talent, and will keep getting contracts ahead of AHL guys.

Klingberg is going to be a PTO next offseason and in Sweden the year after that. He’s beyond cooked, he brings no offensive value and is very likely the worst full time D in the league defensively.

If it wasn’t for name recognition and the fact that he was a new GMs main signing of the offseason he’d already be on waivers.

 

[Bond]

Orlov pulled a 1st+2nd..as he should, he's good top 4 defenseman

Hathaway pulled a 3rd+Craig Smith...

Hathaway got market value but did require taking back Craig Smith

Everyone is in LTIR and taking back a bad contract to get a trade done is apart of the business.

Would not at all be if Calgary flipped Klingberg for a 5th-7th later near the TDL lol.

Also think Nashville didn't want Barrie for an extra year but cost of getting the Ekholm deal done in a tight cap landscape.

Zadarov is more valuable than Hathaway

 

[japhi]

Klingberg is going to be a PTO next offseason and in Sweden the year after that. He’s beyond cooked, he brings no offensive value and is very likely the worst full time D in the league defensively.

If it wasn’t for name recognition and the fact that he was a new GMs main signing of the offseason he’d already be on waivers.

Sure, maybe, But he will play 20 mins tonight so arguing he isn't an NHL player is frankly strange. And he paced 40 points last year.

I mean Ryan Reeves is one of worst players to play in the NHL, I don't see him as an NHL talent, but he is an NHL player until he isn't. That's how these things work,

 

[Martin Skoula]

Sure, maybe, But he will play 20 mins tonight so arguing he isn't an NHL player is frankly strange. And he paced 40 points last year.

I mean Ryan Reeves is one of worst players to play in the NHL, I don't see him as an NHL talent, but he is an NHL player until he isn't. That's how these things work,

“NHL player” doesn’t really communicate any meaningful information then. David Ayers was an NHL goalie apparently so I’m not sure why they bothered making a movie about him winning a game.

If your contributions can be replaced (and probably improved) with an AHL player chosen at random, you’re not an NHL-quality player even if you’re still kicking around the league on name recognition or contract status.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Zadarov is more valuable than Hathaway

How and why? Hathaway on the 4th line that year played 6-7 minutes less than Zadorov per game, had 100 hits more and scored more goals.

 

[japhi]

“NHL player” doesn’t really communicate any meaningful information then. David Ayers was an NHL goalie apparently so I’m not sure why they bothered making a movie about him winning a game.

If your contributions can be replaced (and probably improved) with an AHL player chosen at random, you’re not an NHL-quality player even if you’re still kicking around the league on name recognition or contract status.

The Ayers example is silly, he played one game, Klingberg has played, what , 400? And if he could be easily replaced by an AHL player, why wouldn't they do that? And why are they playing a AHL scrub as much as 24 minutes a night. Does Keefe not have free will, the ability to play him 10 or 12 minutes?

Listen, I don't give two squirts about Klingberg and hope he embarrasses himself tonight and the Leafs get lit up. But his NHL team sees him as an NHL player so I'm out on this one. And I promise, when he is in Europe, or the AHL, I won't claim he is an NHL player.

 

[malcb33]

He's not righthanded.

My bad! I should have checked and not gone off memory.

I guess the point I made still stands (big physical D are still in demand), however IMO that would diminish his value a bit as RHD generally hold more value.

 

[pth2]

I don’t see any reason for Philly being interested

Maybe he meant as a UFA next summer ?

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Why is Z so overrated on here? He's a vocal bottom pairing (#5) dman who is big, and can make big hits but is prone to terrible blunders. Lacks consistency and earns 3.75M.

He is overrated terribly in here.

The other truism of HF Boards.

Once Zadorov is traded, Flames fans will pivot and talk smack about how awful he really was in a veiled attempt to justify a trade win.

HFBoards 101.

Are you making shit up? I don’t see anyone saying he’s this great player or worth anymore than maybe a late 2nd round pick.

And being a Canadiens fan, something about stones and glass houses.

Hes a good bottom pairing D on most teams

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There’s gonna be lots of interest. The Flames need to get a dman in return, but if people think the Leafs are just gonna be able to swap Klingberg for him, we’re fooling ourselves.

I’d look for a team (who wants an upgrade on D) who has an NHL dman Calgary would actually want, with either team control or a little term, and probably a pick or mid grade prospect to go with it. They can’t go into the off-season with only 2 NHL dmen under contract, and need a dman for this season too. They’ll just move that dman later, or use him for the next year or two.

They can’t go into July 1 needing 4 dmen, it could really mean a bad 24-25 season.

Any team that needs Calgary to retain, or take salary back, is gonna have to pay with a 1st rounder or a higher quality prospect with a lower pick. Others can get away with quality NHL dman and a 2nd or 3rd, or good prospect probably.

This is the type of deal with Dubas written all over it.

Pittsburgh
Olivier-Joseph with a 1st or equivalent prospect in return for Zadorov with retention.

Others

Canucks
Myers w/retention, Podkolzin and a pick… to make it work, they have to send money. Just think Calgary is gonna want a dman with control or term. Zadorov can play both sides well btw.

Columbus
Jake Bean/Peeke and a pick/prospect
Peeke might not be what they want though. He’s bad. One of the goals this afternoon, I’m not even gonna speculate what was going through his mind. Bean could be of interest though.

Detroit
Maatta/Holl and a pick/prospect
Detroit has prospect capital to make moves like this and upgrade their blue line. Calgary can get Maatta and an Emil Viro, Tuomisto or one of the Johansson dmen. Anton Johansson is having a really good year in the SHL. Very sneaky prospect. Several good prospects to choose from.

Toronto
Klingberg and a 1st.
Like Canucks, they’ll have to make it worth it for Calgary. Maybe they can get away with Timmons or Benoit and a 1st for Zadorov with retention. Just think that’s gonna have to be a 1st rounder because of the money.

With all the waves Zadorov has made recently, they’ll likely grant his wish and get him out of there pretty quick.

If any team is moving their 1st there is more than Zadorov coming back

 

[Bond]

How and why? Hathaway on the 4th line that year played 6-7 minutes less than Zadorov per game, had 100 hits more and scored more goals.

lol no point if you think Hathaway and Zadarov fill the same role. Dillon Dube scored more goals than Rielly guess he is worth less

 

[Petes2424]

If any team is moving their 1st there is more than Zadorov coming back

Zadorov has matured into a dependable player, who’s hard to play against, and makes players pay the price. Whether he’s a 4 or 5, he’s in all likelihood, pulling a 2nd Round or equivalent player/prospect combo.

So what’s he worth if a team is asking the Flames to retain, take dead salary and/or a luke warm body back, they don’t need to do with other teams??

I’m just not sure how the Leafs/Penguins do it, without sending a 1st, because they need that retention on top of it. Another 2nd? A 3rd? I know how Columbus or Detroit for example, could do it. Know how Boston could do it. How do the Leafs do it, when there’s other teams who don’t need the retention?

There’s almost no cap space for sale right now. What else do they send that’s the difference between a 1st and a 2nd, that Calgary would want?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

The Ayers example is silly, he played one game, Klingberg has played, what , 400? And if he could be easily replaced by an AHL player, why wouldn't they do that? And why are they playing a AHL scrub as much as 24 minutes a night. Does Keefe not have free will, the ability to play him 10 or 12 minutes?

Listen, I don't give two squirts about Klingberg and hope he embarrasses himself tonight and the Leafs get lit up. But his NHL team sees him as an NHL player so I'm out on this one. And I promise, when he is in Europe, or the AHL, I won't claim he is an NHL player.

You are purposely being obtuse. It has already been explained to you. Tre made him his biggest off-season signing, so he's giving him more time hoping it doesnt stay the tire fire it is now. Leafs were also down 2 D and the emergency AHL 3rd pair Leafs were running out were getting 5 minutes game. By performance, he should already have been waived. Sorry you cant grasp the obvious or even bother to watch the player you are defending.

 

[SherVaughn30]

I'm just curious being a Caps fan. Are the Flames trying to trade Zadorov upon his request or has this rumor/notion died down?

 

[WTFMAN99]

lol no point if you think Hathaway and Zadarov fill the same role. Dillon Dube scored more goals than Rielly guess he is worth less

Both are bottom of the line up players, Hathaway gets more hits in significantly less TOI and popped some goals as well in the process.

Zadorov isn't going to produce a whole lot offensively so I don't see how he'd have more value than Hathaway?

Rielly produced slightly less points (not goals) than Dube last year in about 20 less games...

 

[DFF]

Both are bottom of the line up players, Hathaway gets more hits in significantly less TOI and popped some goals as well in the process.

Zadorov isn't going to produce a whole lot offensively so I don't see how he'd have more value than Hathaway?

Rielly produced slightly less points (not goals) than Dube last year in about 20 less games...

Honestly, only idiot measure zadorov’s contribution by points

 

[Lunatik]

I'm just curious being a Caps fan. Are the Flames trying to trade Zadorov upon his request or has this rumor/notion died down?

It just started last night after the game

 

[SSCBLUEJET]

Off to the dungeons of San Jose with the ingrate!!

 

[verdi]

Does Commodore know something?

Why would Z want to go from a terrible team to a terrible team?

 

[Varsityboy]

I’m thinking Robertson and a second

 

[verdi]

I see him as having Kulak type value: a 2nd and a bottom round pick (5th to 7th) along with an expiring contract to make the cap work.

... or just walk for nothing and sign in the off season.

 

[Bond]

Why would Z want to go from a terrible team to a terrible team?

He wants a contract. He already tried to get the Flames to extend him

 

[verdi]

He wants a contract. He already tried to get the Flames to extend him

He has a contract that's still valid.

 

[Varsityboy]

Is that what you're thinking? Are there any other thoughts in your head?


He has a contract that's still valid.

Lots I didn’t know I couldn’t say what I think?

 

[verdi]

Lol and he wanted to extend last offseason. Must be too hard for you to comprehend

He wants a lot of things - probably to be on a good team and an extension - but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a contract.

Lots I didn’t know I couldn’t say what I think?

Yeah no - lots of people will tell you can't just say whatever nonsense comes out from your skull.