Waived: Zadina (Clears) - Contract Terminated, Signs with SJS

[TCNorthstars]

Yes, it appears he does care about playing in the NHL. That's certainly his prerogative. I'm just saying it wasn't really more about Detroit not wanting him, they aren't the ones who initiated this process. Zadina did.

Even with a buyout next summer, he's walking away from $2.74M. Still a big chunk of money.

I was referring to you saying the rest of the NHL didn't want him. Detroit would have been fine with him in the AHL and getting called up. If he were on waivers at 900k, I am thinking he would have been picked up.

He has made a good chuck of money. More than most of us will make in a lifetime.

 

[Oddbob]

It just happens quicker this way, rather than go through all of training camp, then get sent down right at the point where NHL teams have already figured out their rosters.

A player and a team can mutually agree to terminate a contract at any time. If you don't believe what's being reported here, I don't know what to tell you. I don't quite follow the reasoning of why someone would just make that up.

(Unless they still had a grudge, LOL)

Who legit reported that he refused assignment to the AHL? Haven't read anything on that part.

 

[ShelbyZ]

Can you explain these "out" clauses in NHL contracts?

I've never heard of that. Can you provide an example?

A "European Assignment Clause" usually goes to guys on ELC's and allows them to go to a team in Europe that they have some agreement with if they don't make the NHL roster. There's a whole list of them on CapFriendly: 2023-24 Active NHL Players - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Sometimes they get referred to as an "out-clause" in the media: Kubalík won't make use of his out-clause to return to Europe

I pointed out that it doesn't make sense for an NHL GM to sign him to a two-way contract, but really, it makes even less sense for Zadina to do so. If he were to take that risk, go to camp, not make the team, refuse to go to the AHL, and have his contract terminated.... where does that leave him? 32 NHL teams just set their rosters for the season. Many in Europe as well. He'd be going around the hockey world with hat in hand practically begging at that point. His recent resume would have included being waived, refusal to accept an assignment, a terminated contract, failure to make an NHL team out of camp, waivers again, and likely a second terminated contract. He's betting on himself at the moment, but I doubt he's willing to take that route.

I don't know what's in store for the guy next, but I have to imagine a two-way contract with an NHL team is about the least likely scenario.... unless, he's actually ok with the AHL and just wanted out of the Detroit org that badly.

I supposed if he or his agent are smart, they could line something up back home as a fall back if the NHL doesn't work out.

That said, if Justin Abdelkader has no problem joining Swiss teams mid season, I don't think Filip Zadina is going to have to travel around begging for a job....

 

[sepster]

Reason it usually doesn't happen with notables is because the player generally wouldn't agree to just let the money go. If both parties want to separate, why should there be a penalty?

Because that seems like a really easy way to circumvent the Cap, especially the Over-35 contract issue.

"Hey, Cagey-Vet, here is a 5-year deal, averaging $2-mil/year but with $15mil (which is the dollar figure you are actually hoping for) up front and after playing for two seasons we'll "agree" that injuries have forced you to retire and that the contract is voided by both parties, with you keeping money and us not retaining a cap hit."

Essentially play the LTIR retirement gig that Zetterberg did but is no longer allowed.

 

[stillwater]

Well, Elliotte Friedman reported it on Sportsnet.

 

[SCD]

What a f***ing disaster. We literally have burned through high draft picks and solid roster players over the past few years with nothing to show for it... dark times

Although some of the blame may lie with our development staff, much of the fault with the previous front office.

I never read what Hakan's take was on this pick.

Another good example of when a draftee plummets, don't always look at it as a gift.

 

[Oddbob]

Because that seems like a really easy way to circumvent the Cap, especially the Over-35 contract issue.

"Hey, Cagey-Vet, here is a 5-year deal, averaging $2-mil/year but with $15mil (which is the dollar figure you are actually hoping for) up front and after playing for two seasons we'll "agree" that injuries have forced you to retire and that the contract is voided by both parties, with you keeping money and us not retaining a cap hit."

Essentially play the LTIR retirement gig that Zetterberg did but is no longer allowed.

Yeah, but you can't do the mutual thing without the player agreeing. A player that is leaving or not wanted isn't going to care one little bit at helping the team out of a cap situation. You also can only front-load a contract so much nowadays. You can't give ridiculous amounts up front and nothing at the end. If it was as easy as you say, it would happen every offseason, as teams to my knowledge have been able to do this for quite awhile.

It generally only happens when a team needs a roster spot open and/or a European player isn't happy in NA/AHL and wants to go home.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

What a f***ing disaster. We literally have burned through high draft picks and solid roster players over the past few years with nothing to show for it... dark times

Like who?

Hronek looked bad in Vancouver and will definitely guide them to the bottom 10.
Bertuzzi looked good in the playoffs on the stat sheet but was a mess defensively.
Vrana is a locker room problem.
Zadina didn't ever develop.
Mantha is lazy.
Cholowski was always a mistake.

What "solid roster players" are you even talking about?

 

[RabidBadger]

Although some of the blame may lie with our development staff, much of the fault with the previous front office.

I never read what Hakan's take was on this pick.

Another good example of when a draftee plummets, don't always look at it as a gift.

A thousand times this. I didn't watch the draft that year. A friend texted me about the pick and my first thought was, "what's wrong with this guy that he fell to 6"? I had a pit in my gut when I found out we took him.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Although some of the blame may lie with our development staff, much of the fault with the previous front office.

I never read what Hakan's take was on this pick.

Another good example of when a draftee plummets, don't always look at it as a gift.

This is why I want to start a project that evaluates prospects based on their early, mid and end of season rankings. My hypothesis is that players that rise a lot during the draft year become better players than the players that fall a significant amount during their draft year.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

Like who?

Hronek looked bad in Vancouver and will definitely guide them to the bottom 10.
Bertuzzi looked good in the playoffs on the stat sheet but was a mess defensively.
Vrana is a locker room problem.
Zadina didn't ever develop.
Mantha is lazy.
Cholowski was always a mistake.

What "solid roster players" are you even talking about?

Man even when hronek isn’t on the wings you can’t help but watch him eh?

 

[Oddbob]

Man even when hronek isn’t on the wings you can’t help but watch him eh?

He is infatuated with him. I actually heard through a source that he is Filip's 2nd cousin.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Man even when hronek isn’t on the wings you can’t help but watch him eh?

I live in Seattle (for now) and catch Vancouver games from time to time. It's actually a pretty fun arena to go to.

 

[sepster]

Yeah, but you can't do the mutual thing without the player agreeing. A player that is leaving or not wanted isn't going to care one little bit at helping the team out of a cap situation. You also can only front-load a contract so much nowadays. You can't give ridiculous amounts up front and nothing at the end. If it was as easy as you say, it would happen every offseason, as teams to my knowledge have been able to do this for quite awhile.

It generally only happens when a team needs a roster spot open and/or a European player isn't happy in NA/AHL and wants to go home.

When both Zetterberg (12-year) and Franzen (11-year) signed their deals, it was widely implied at the time of signing they were not expected to actually play out the entirety of the contract, and that the final years where the base salary dropped significantly were a wink-and-nod to lower the overall cap hit.

Teams and players could easily use this out as the same mechanism, just swapping LTIR for "we mutually agree to terminate this deal."

 

[Oddbob]

When both Zetterberg (12-year) and Franzen (11-year) signed their deals, it was widely implied at the time of signing they were not expected to actually play out the entirety of the contract, and that the final years where the base salary dropped significantly were a wink-and-nod to lower the overall cap hit.

Teams and players could easily use this out as the same mechanism, just swapping LTIR for "we mutually agree to terminate this deal."

Then why don't they?

 

[Frk It]

Like who?

Hronek looked bad in Vancouver and will definitely guide them to the bottom 10.
Bertuzzi looked good in the playoffs on the stat sheet but was a mess defensively.
Vrana is a locker room problem.
Zadina didn't ever develop.
Mantha is lazy.
Cholowski was always a mistake.

What "solid roster players" are you even talking about?

I should have added no Hronek slander while the avatar is in use.

But if you want to be a hypocrite, whatever man.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I should have added no Hronek slander while the avatar is in use.

But if you want to be a hypocrite, whatever man.

I didn't say he won't play big minutes, or that he won't get points on that team.

Buuuut...have you seen their roster?

 

[BinCookin]

I pointed out that it doesn't make sense for an NHL GM to sign him to a two-way contract, but really, it makes even less sense for Zadina to do so. If he were to take that risk, go to camp, not make the team, refuse to go to the AHL, and have his contract terminated.... where does that leave him? 32 NHL teams just set their rosters for the season. Many in Europe as well. He'd be going around the hockey world with hat in hand practically begging at that point. His recent resume would have included being waived, refusal to accept an assignment, a terminated contract, failure to make an NHL team out of camp, waivers again, and likely a second terminated contract. He's betting on himself at the moment, but I doubt he's willing to take that route.

I don't know what's in store for the guy next, but I have to imagine a two-way contract with an NHL team is about the least likely scenario.... unless, he's actually ok with the AHL and just wanted out of the Detroit org that badly.

I very much think there is just baggage here. Missed Expectations.
He has a negative connotation here in Detroit.

He wants to go to a new city, new deal, start from scratch.

I believe its not about NHL only and he will refuse AHL.
I think its about not being in the DETROIT system anymore, and the hopes that this change will help him forget about the past, and the new organization will see it as a low risk new opportunity.

 

[Hugh Mongusbig]

I can't believe Zadina is walking away from $3M+ in earnings in order to get out of his contract with the wings?!? Where else is he going to make that back up? (he won't)

This seems like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face if I've ever seen it. holy hell.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I can't believe Zadina is walking away from $3M+ in earnings in order to get out of his contract with the wings?!? Where else is he going to make that back up? (he won't)

This seems like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face if I've ever seen it. holy hell.

I think we're going to read something about Zadina firing his agent after the smoke settles and he finds himself on his way back to Europe.

Oh hey guys, remember when we were all psyched about this?

 

[jaster]

I was referring to you saying the rest of the NHL didn't want him. Detroit would have been fine with him in the AHL and getting called up. If he were on waivers at 900k, I am thinking he would have been picked up.

He has made a good chuck of money. More than most of us will make in a lifetime.

Ah, I misunderstood what your original comment was responding to. Yes, they didn't want him at the cost of his contract, agreed. And I agree there's a good chance of him latching on somewhere at league minimum.

I supposed if he or his agent are smart, they could line something up back home as a fall back if the NHL doesn't work out.

That said, if Justin Abdelkader has no problem joining Swiss teams mid season, I don't think Filip Zadina is going to have to travel around begging for a job....

That's true, but for a guy who wants to play in the NHL and refuses to play in the AHL, I'd wonder how attractive he finds the Swiss league in the scope of his career at large.

 

[sepster]

Then why don't they?

I don't know but I'm certainly not going to believe that it's an option, but teams and players simply haven't out of good faith.

 

[jaster]

I very much think there is just baggage here. Missed Expectations.
He has a negative connotation here in Detroit.

He wants to go to a new city, new deal, start from scratch.

I believe its not about NHL only and he will refuse AHL.
I think its about not being in the DETROIT system anymore, and the hopes that this change will help him forget about the past, and the new organization will see it as a low risk new opportunity.

Certainly possible. It will be interesting to see what happens with the kid in the next few months.

 

[Ben Grimm]

There's no love lost here.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Is it betting on himself ot blaming others like Red Wings coaching staff for owl failures? If he stayed he would be also betting on himself.

Perhaps, but I still respect people who are willing to leave money on the table. Honestly, my give a shit level for Zadina is pretty low at this point.