Proposal: Zacha + McLeod for W. Nylander + Marincin

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Seems like a mixed bag. I do think most people would view this as value in favor of Toronto. I think it's fairly close . . . I see Nylander as a guy who should be a 50-70 point playmaker, Zacha a 35-55 point 2 way player, McLeod a 30-50 point utilty player, and Marincin a 4/5 defensive defenseman.

Zacha and McLeod are valuable assets, but the scarcity of young players who possess the potential to be a perennial top 20-30 scorer makes this deal pretty even in value.

In HF terms, Nylander is an 8.0C, Zacha a 7.5C, McLeod a 7.0C, and Marincin a 6.5C

So it's essentially 14.5C for 14.5C.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Seems like a mixed bag. I do think most people would view this as value in favor of Toronto. I think it's fairly close . . . I see Nylander as a guy who should be a 50-70 point playmaker, Zacha a 35-55 point 2 way player, McLeod a 30-50 point utilty player, and Marincin a 4/5 defensive defenseman.

Zacha and McLeod are valuable assets, but the scarcity of young players who possess the potential to be a perennial top 20-30 scorer makes this deal pretty even in value.

In HF terms, Nylander is an 8.0C, Zacha a 7.5C, McLeod a 7.0C, and Marincin a 6.5C

So it's essentially 14.5C for 14.5C.

Zacha will score 35 points this season, a guy who will be slotted on the 1st PP due to his shot will have a much higher potential point total than that. I swear you hate the Devils, these projections are pretty bad.

 

[deletethis]

Couldn't it just as easily be a "let's steal Zacha and McLeod before they break out" trade proposal?

If by breakout, you mean "become unremarkable middle of the lineup fodder".

 

[X66]

In HF terms, Nylander is an 8.0C, Zacha a 7.5C, McLeod a 7.0C, and Marincin a 6.5C

So it's essentially 14.5C for 14.5C.

I know what you're trying to get at, but I'd never use HF as an example.

Eichel with Jean Dupuy= 14.5 as well

 

[Morgs]

Not a fan of either team, I'd say the value is pretty fair, slight overpay from NJ, but I still wouldn't do it from the Leafs standpoint. Nylander is the best player in the deal and more of a sure thing. Zacha is more physically gifted, but seems more boom/bust regarding his ceiling.

This post should sum up this thread nicely.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

dont mind OP, he undervalues all Devils draft picks because they arent who he wanted them to draft so he just cant accept them being any good. meanwhile every other teams prospects are good.

bad for NJ.

 

[Mad Brills*]

The nth time, the leafs need a RH dman coming back in any nylander trade.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

If by breakout, you mean "become unremarkable middle of the lineup fodder".

8 points in 9 pro games as an 18 year old is middle of the lineup fodder..Zacha will be a 20 minute a game center. See how many of those are in the NHL.

 

[HarrisonFord]

Seems like a mixed bag. I do think most people would view this as value in favor of Toronto. I think it's fairly close . . . I see Nylander as a guy who should be a 50-70 point playmaker, Zacha a 35-55 point 2 way player, McLeod a 30-50 point utilty player, and Marincin a 4/5 defensive defenseman.

Zacha and McLeod are valuable assets, but the scarcity of young players who possess the potential to be a perennial top 20-30 scorer makes this deal pretty even in value.

In HF terms, Nylander is an 8.0C, Zacha a 7.5C, McLeod a 7.0C, and Marincin a 6.5C

So it's essentially 14.5C for 14.5C.

I actually think the value favours New Jersey, but that's because I'm huge on Nylander (as I think that you are as well). In my opinion, the team who trades the best player in a deal is typically the team that loses the trade. I think we can both agree that Nylander is the best player here. In my opinion, I don't think it's ever a smart idea to trade a potential #1C (who has done nothing to date to prove otherwise) for a potential #2C and a potential middle 6 player.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Nooooooo thank you.

I don't think they'd draft the McLeod-Bastian duo, just to break it up a few months later.

 

[iBELEAF]

very easy no

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

i dont hate it, dont know too much about McLeod, and Zacha is good. would consider it for sure.

 

[Gavy]

You can say the value favours the leafs all you want buy Leafs aren't giving up Nylander for anything less than Provorov or Werenski. The team that gets the best player usually wins and that's Nylander by far

 

[MisterT]

Not a fan of either team, I'd say the value is pretty fair, slight overpay from NJ, but I still wouldn't do it from the Leafs standpoint. Nylander is the best player in the deal and more of a sure thing. Zacha is more physically gifted, but seems more boom/bust regarding his ceiling.

Well stated. Given that the Leafs are coached by Babcock who holds players responsible each and every shift, Zacha is a bad fit as he is a selfish player. Zacha lacks IQ - not just hockey IQ - spot him the c and the t, he'd still spell cat incorrect.

 

[The Assclown]

Nooooooo thank you.

I don't think they'd draft the McLeod-Bastian duo, just to break it up a few months later.

I'm not sure a team would care about duos when they're landing a projected number one centre that has had success at every professional level thus far.

NJ would be getting, by far, the best player in the deal.

 

[Leafs87]

An offer that I think favours the Leafs.

Value wise maybe. But we need nylander more then zacha and McLeod

 

[Mad Brills*]

Leafs need a dman coming back.

 

[thecloser]

If I'm NJD - I keep Zacha and McLeod. Zacha is an absolute stud.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Absolutely no way.

 

[Currysux*]

I dont think the Leafs do this. Id rather have the star player over 2 average players. Devils fans are going to use draft position as a reason why it favors the Leafs but both players were picked ahead of guys who were better. I see Zacha as a 2nd liner and McLeod as a 3rd liner. Nylander could be a 1LW/RW or a really good 2C behind Matthews like Jeff Carter is to Kopitar. The Leafs also have Kadri that they can plug as the 3C who I think is better than what McLeod will become. If Marincin plays the way he did the last 30 or so games then the Leafs should definitely keep him. I would take Matthews/Nylander/Kadri >> Matthews/Zacha/McLeod

 

[John Pedro]

No thanks. Nylander isn't that much better than Zacha.

 

[Currysux*]

Nooooooo thank you.

I don't think they'd draft the McLeod-Bastian duo, just to break it up a few months later.

When has re-uniting junior lines ever worked? If the Devils can find a way to make their team better i dont see why they wouldnt be willing to move one of those guys.

 

[Semantics]

In HF terms, Nylander is an 8.0C, Zacha a 7.5C, McLeod a 7.0C, and Marincin a 6.5C

So it's essentially 14.5C for 14.5C.

That kind of assumes Patrick Kane logic...

 

[The Assclown]

No thanks. Nylander isn't that much better than Zacha.

Wrong. I followed both players all year and Zacha was very very underwhelming for most of it. Against juniors no less.

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

I'm not sure a team would care about duos when they're landing a projected number one centre that has had success at every professional level thus far.

NJ would be getting, by far, the best player in the deal.

Until we see more of Zacha at the professional level, I'd hold off on the "by far" portion in your second stanza.

And, as far as the "duo" comment, it's a concept that has been pushed hard by the staff, most notably Hynes.

Zajac and Palmieri fit like a glove last year.

Hall was acquired for many reasons, but one of them being rekindling what he had with Henrique in juniors.

McLeod and Bastian obviously played together and are good buddies.

They are clearly looking to build a certain culture. I doubt they'd disrupt the progress made there (by trading McLeod), to upgrade at a position/role (Nylander over Zacha) where they have a guy they're already really high on.