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Proposal: Zacha + McLeod for W. Nylander + Marincin
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I would say the Leafs probably accept purely on value, but I'm not sure its a trade either team wants to make.
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Why will Nylander not get the opportunity?
I think most Leaf fans picture the future as:
Matthews
Nylander
Kadri
4th line center
Seems like plenty of opportunity.
The only way I deal Nylander is in a similar Johanson for Jones deal.
I'm not comparing players, just saying.
A team that has a lot of D depth but missing the center.
If not, I'm fine keeping Willy. It's to early to trade him before we know his ceiling. Again unless it's a bonafide RHD partner for Rielly.
I think most Leaf fans picture the future as:
Matthews
Nylander
Kadri
4th line center
Seems like plenty of opportunity.
The only way I deal Nylander is in a similar Johanson for Jones deal.
I'm not comparing players, just saying.
A team that has a lot of D depth but missing the center.
If not, I'm fine keeping Willy. It's to early to trade him before we know his ceiling. Again unless it's a bonafide RHD partner for Rielly.
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The value is there and you've done a great job explaining the reasons why it could/should be done but I think I'd rather just stick with Nylander and hope he pans out so that our composition down the middle is great and not just good.
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Not high at all on Mcleod but Marincin is likely the worst piece of the deal here.
Still doesnt quite make sense for the Leafs. Trade Nylander to upgrade their 3c from Kadri to Mcleod. Theres a good chance thats not even an ungrade after its all set and done.
Still doesnt quite make sense for the Leafs. Trade Nylander to upgrade their 3c from Kadri to Mcleod. Theres a good chance thats not even an ungrade after its all set and done.
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Its fair value, but I wouldn't do it. I think the best player behind Matthews is actually an offensive force, similar to how Kane anchors the non-Toews line, and Jeff Carter anchors the line behind Kopitar. Zacha would allow Matthews to get easier minutes, but I truly think Matthews is maximized by being used in a very balanced fashion, similar to how Toews or Bergeron is used, allowing that 2nd line to feast on juicy matchups. To do this, you really need a high-end offensive talent on the so-called 2nd line.
Also, Kadri has never adapted well to the wing, we tried that years ago. He's a center who works best with a gritty supporting cast.
Also, Kadri has never adapted well to the wing, we tried that years ago. He's a center who works best with a gritty supporting cast.
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Neutral fan, would pass as NJ. In reality nobody trades recent top-15 picks for recent top-15 picks (let alone 2 of them) before they show what they have in the NHL.
The Leafs aren't moving Nylander for more young forwards. They have young forwards coming out of their ears. They might move him in a deal to acquire the right high end defenseman. Another one of these "let's steal Nylander before he breaks out" trade proposals.
As a leafs fan I would certainly do this deal in a heartbeat. That being said I think that Nylander has the highest ceiling. Both Zacha and McLeod have size and a two way game. Being able to likely play both centre and wing would be a real asset. Mcleod likely needs another year of junior and maybe a year of seasoning with the marlies.
We would also likely not protect Marincin at the expansion draft so it would help there as I believe he will likely be the player picked from our roster.
We would also likely not protect Marincin at the expansion draft so it would help there as I believe he will likely be the player picked from our roster.
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No one would do it, but we're talking about W. Nylander + Marincin for Zacha + McLeod here
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Couldn't it just as easily be a "let's steal Zacha and McLeod before they break out" trade proposal? Being "about to breakout" is totally subjective.
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Roof Daddy
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Not a fan of either team, I'd say the value is pretty fair, slight overpay from NJ, but I still wouldn't do it from the Leafs standpoint. Nylander is the best player in the deal and more of a sure thing. Zacha is more physically gifted, but seems more boom/bust regarding his ceiling.
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I've seen a lot of Nylander, Zacha and McLeod.
Nylander has the best talent of that group. He's also the most accomplished and advanced at the same age.
I would not do this trade from a Toronto standpoint.
Nylander has the best talent of that group. He's also the most accomplished and advanced at the same age.
I would not do this trade from a Toronto standpoint.
Nylander will NOT be moved for a lesser player at the same position.
Only way Nylander moves is for a top end RHD prospect.
Not touching this as a Leafs fan. It's been shown that teams typically win with two guys that can carry a line and Toronto looks to have those pieces in Nylander and Matthews.
Why trade a prospect that looks to have a fantastic offensive and defensive game for a player significantly worse offensively and marginally better defensively.
McLeod doesn't do much for me here. We have a better long term option for the third line and that's Kadri.
Why trade a prospect that looks to have a fantastic offensive and defensive game for a player significantly worse offensively and marginally better defensively.
McLeod doesn't do much for me here. We have a better long term option for the third line and that's Kadri.
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So the point of this trade is to give the Leafs an option for a 2C? And then you suggest moving Kadri to wing?
