Rumor: Zach Werenski rejected trade to Dallas with NMC

[TheRumble]

I think if it's Toronto the minimum ask is McKenna and two firsts with no protection.

 

[SC Cannon]

I still think he's traded to Dallas...nobody is offering Columbus anything near what Dallas is offering. I know he has a full NMC but he'll see the light.

Sounds like that ship has sailed

 

[DFC]

Yep, I think we are arguing largely the same thing. If CBJ played chicken with him, he would probably play out the season like a pro, and it would be an absolute PR nightmare for the Jackets.

I just don't think ZW would have informed the team at this moment in time he has already decided he wasn't going to come back for no reason. He/his agent would have known the PR nightmare this would create, and would have had to have known this would have led to trade talks. Otherwise he wouldn't have said anything, in my mind.

To be fair, we don't know how that conversation started. CBJ might have needed some verbal commitment, because they know they will have to move if he won't commit. But he's not obligated to commit.

 

[Vergil]

We dealt with this before. Bread and Bob both said they were out. Torts handled it perfectly. I think Bones could too. Coyle and Olivier would play a part too. It's obviously not ideal but these teams he want just don't have the horses to trade for him right now.

They could wait but clearly they have chosen not to do so... otherwise, again, why would they accept Dallas' trade offer? That's why this is blowing up as much as it is, right? Because Werenski nuked the trade.

I think a package of Moser, O'Reilly, Geekie and picks is a solid offer considering the leverage that Werenski currently possesses and... more importantly, the WILLINGNESS that Columbus has in moving Werenski right now.

 

[Amadeus]

Using your protection from being traded to force a trade to 1 or 2 teams is what some would consider a dick move.

It is

 

[majormajor]

Wasn’t the salary cap supposed to help small teams like Columbus? Can we get rid of it now?

Columbus has plenty of money.

The problem is that everyone has a lot of cap space now and we're getting "superteam" effects where Team USA players try and go to the top clubs.

A tighter cap would actually level things out.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Kind of a dumb tweet. NHL contracts especially for the NMC tier of players run very long relative to other sports (sans MLB which is very different from the other 3 leagues). You don’t need a no trade in the NFL when you’re signing for 4 years that is really 2 or 3 years guaranteed. You don’t need a no trade in the NBA when max length is 4 years and re-signings are 5 years. Those guys force their way anywhere they want anyway?

NHL players are signing for 7-8 years a lot of the time in a culture that encourages them not to break bank and in return for that commitment they want some assurance they won’t get moved at drop of hat.

if GMs stop giving NMCs, top guys are going to go really, really short on their contracts. I’m not sure fans want that.

Have fun getting the players to agree to less contractual rights during the next CBA.

Or GMs just need to start saying NO.

So NHL players get the highest % of their contract guaranteed, the longest term, and by far the most easily accessible trade protection?

I'm sure he knows that this actually gets his team closer to getting this player, and he's just farming for likes.

That tweet is 20 days old. I think it was referring to Robertson and Seattle.

 

[sepHF]

Crazy, Dallas is a great team and a nice place to live

 

[DFC]

Using your protection from being traded to force a trade to 1 or 2 teams is what some would consider a dick move.

He's not forcing the trade, CBJ is, because he won't commit long term. He's not obligated to tell them he will keep signing there until he retires.

 

[TheBeard]

I think if it's Toronto the minimum ask is McKenna and two firsts with no protection.

Columbus wants pieces. I'm thinking
Knies
Danford
Akhtyamov
A first

 

[Claypool]

Crazy, Dallas is a great team and a nice place to live

Too hot and too many bugs. F that

 

[danisonfire]

I would not want to go anywhere north of the border if I were him.

Honestly shocking that he said no to Dallas and no state taxes. But wants to go to Tampa which is a little less of a team.

Just weird he said no to Dallas.

The current rumors are that his first choice is Tampa Bay, then Toronto and if those don't work he wants to stay in the Eastern Conference.

 

[Calvin Bale]

I still think he's traded to Dallas...nobody is offering Columbus anything near what Dallas is offering. I know he has a full NMC but he'll see the light. Toronto, TB and Philly are nowhere near the cup like Dallas is.

The Leafs can offer Knies who is on a very team friendly deal. Even if he’s reached his peak it’s good value and that’s in the unlikely scenario that he won’t continue to improve over the next couple seasons, especially if he can have a more clearly defined role than he had with the Leafs. If Werenski is set on Toronto, Knies is just as appealing as Harley.

 

[SC Cannon]

They could wait but clearly they have chosen not to do so... otherwise, again, why would they accept Dallas' trade offer? That's why this is blowing up as much as it is, right? Because Werenski nuked the trade.

I think a package of Moser, O'Reilly, Geekie and picks is a solid offer considering the leverage that Werenski currently possesses and... more importantly, the WILLINGNESS that Columbus has in moving Werenski right now.

They'd wait if they didn't get the return that works. Clearly Dallas met the offer.

Id rather a Knies based package than that, but who knows.

 

[ProfessorFink22]

To be fair, we don't know how that conversation started. CBJ might have needed some verbal commitment, because they know they will have to move if he won't commit. But he's not obligated to commit.

True, and I don't know the timeline or optics well enough to say much to disagree. My first instinct is to say "why would a team approach a guy two years out about negotiations?" - but maybe that is where the league is headed. The Q. Hughes situation is definitely not analagous, but that was two years out as well.

Get out of here with your logic and calm opinions, btw

 

[AKL]

I think if it's Toronto the minimum ask is McKenna and two firsts with no protection.

Sounds like he's walking in free agency then lol

 

[Ezekial]

He's not forcing the trade, CBJ is, because he won't commit long term. He's not obligated to tell them he will keep signing there until he retires.

Okay you have a point here. This situation is definitely more nuanced as he didn't request a trade just won't commit past his current contract that takes him to UFA. 100% within his rights here.

 

[AKL]

Anyway, this situation feels almost exactly like Hughes in Vancouver, and no one thought he was a villain

Return will probably be similar too

 

[majormajor]

Yep, I think we are arguing largely the same thing. If CBJ played chicken with him, he would probably play out the season like a pro, and it would be an absolute PR nightmare for the Jackets.

I just don't think ZW would have informed the team at this moment in time he has already decided he wasn't going to come back for no reason. He/his agent would have known the PR nightmare this would create, and would have had to have known this would have led to trade talks. Otherwise he wouldn't have said anything, in my mind.

It seems word leaked out through the trade talks. The reporters started saying "Zach Werenski's name is out there" and from that they figured out that he wasn't going to be extending in a couple years.

It's possible Werenski's camp thought this could be handled discreetly, that the Jackets could have found a deal before this PR nightmare happened.

 

[SC Cannon]

Okay you have a point here. This situation is definitely more nuanced as he didn't request a trade just won't commit past his current contract that takes him to UFA. 100% within his rights here.

I've been saying the same, but the reports coming out that he wants this done "yesterday" are swaying me a bit

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

Wasn’t the salary cap supposed to help small teams like Columbus? Can we get rid of it now?

In terms of fiscal sustainability and cost certainty, yes.

And it will never be going away.

 

[DFC]

True, and I don't know the timeline or optics well enough to say much to disagree. My first instinct is to say "why would a team approach a guy two years out about negotiations?" - but maybe that is where the league is headed. The Q. Hughes situation is definitely not analagous, but that was two years out as well.

Get out of here with your logic and calm opinions, btw

I think CBJ would be smart to know what his intentions were, because, as bad as this situation is, it's worse if they realize next year he's not coming back. Right now, they have a limited number of teams, but next year they'll get pennies on the dollar from a slightly larger amount of teams.

It's CBJ, really, who's forcing this trade, because they have two years of an elite player and a team that's not going to contend in that timeframe. The only ugliness in this one is, since CBJ is openly exploring a trade, it seems Werenski has made it known he'd prefer it done quickly, but he's going to be picky about the destination. Which, since it's the team choosing to trade him, is within his rights.

This situation is night and day from the Larkin situation. CBJ is trying to capitalize on value here, which they should.

 

[Vergil]

They'd wait if they didn't get the return that works. Clearly Dallas met the offer.

Id rather a Knies based package than that, but who knows.

You would rather a second line winger... admittingly on a sweetheart deal, with no other real good assets at play, over a 26 year old defenseman with very high defensive upside? I honestly do not believe Moser is that far off from Harley, but maybe I'm delusional

 

[Unspecified]

Sounds like that ship has sailed

Nobody has verified a thing...it's all " I believe" and that is not factual. Who is he going to partner with that is better than Heiskanen? That would be the top D pair in the league by a fair margin. Oh joy go to Toronto and pair up with Morgan Reilly carrying his ass up and down the rink. Hedman is an aging dinosaur and Philly has Sanheim

 

[Buckley]

Tough off-season for Tampa. First they lose Raddysh to Toronto, and now they are going to lose Werenski to Toronto. Maybe they can get even by signing Maccelli.