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Player Discussion Zach Hyman

bellagiobob said:
We must be watching different players. Hyman has been excellent in all three zones. I think it was Cult Of Hockey that showed he has had only 5 major mistakes on grade A shots against even strength this year. He leads the team by a big number at Grade A shots +/- per 15 at 2.36, and that pretty much matches up with my live views. Guy has been an absolute dream so far this year, and his play is exactly what I expected from him.
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As stated the player has been very effective in Ozone. He isn't in own zone, and he gets caught up ice a lot.

Cult of hockey is hardly a source worth referencing. The stats on there are poorly conceived, with no interobserver reliability. They're made up stats, which seems commonplace in hockey analysis these days.

Hyman on his line is the least responsible own zone player. Both Pulju and McD are more likely to be strong on backcheck.

Overall Hyman has been a helpful addition. But the next step is being an on ice outscorer. Should be a simple enough task playing with the likes of McD and Pulju on an absolutely loaded line.
 
Fourier said:
They are subjective for sure and far from perfect. But they are compiled by watching video I believe, which means they are probably more accurate than a typical viewer's recollection.
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You're familiar with Staples prior posting here and his body of work on his "errors" stat when he was counting lost faceoffs as errors and didn't even comprehend the feedback that Centers would be inordinately counted on such metric parameters in relation to all players. Posters here spend days, maybe weeks trying to explain it to him, but he didn't relent.

This is the inherent difficulty heeding statisticians that have not one iota of background in statistics or methodology.

Haven't spent as much time looking at his metrics lately but numerical *substantiation* involving made up numbers on poorly conceived metrics is simply bias with numbers.

I haven't followed the metric lately, and just looked and can't even find any explanation of the metric, the grading system, how presently the errors are counted etc. All I'm finding is game to game tweets with seemingly made up grading numbers.

It appears that to get a deeper look than their current blog posts one needs to sign in. One of the things that has consistently amazed me however is how average they've considered Draisaitl in the past, and even present grading.

I'm seeing a lot of Barrie distortion as well. Site seems to pick at whatever "errors" he makes without any objective assessment of what an elite offensive D brings.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
As stated the player has been very effective in Ozone. He isn't in own zone, and he gets caught up ice a lot.

Cult of hockey is hardly a source worth referencing. The stats on there are poorly conceived, with no interobserver reliability. They're made up stats, which seems commonplace in hockey analysis these days.

Hyman on his line is the least responsible own zone player. Both Pulju and McD are more likely to be strong on backcheck.

Overall Hyman has been a helpful addition. But the next step is being an on ice outscorer. Should be a simple enough task playing with the likes of McD and Pulju on an absolutely loaded line.
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In games to date, per my observation, as far as responsibility in our zone goes, and being a culprit for Grade A chances against. it’s been Hyman, then Puljujarvi, followed by McDavid. Pretty decent drop off between Hyman and McDavid, who hasn’t been bad, just not at Hymans excellent level. As far as COH, this particular metric doesn’t really require any statistical training, it’s really an eyes test metric, and one’s own data can easily be compared to theirs for relevancy by rewatching the game and making some notes, once you define the parameters of the metric, which is pretty easy in this case.
 
bellagiobob said:
In games to date, per my observation, as far as responsibility in our zone goes, and being a culprit for Grade A chances against. it’s been Hyman, then Puljujarvi, followed by McDavid. Pretty decent drop off between Hyman and McDavid, who hasn’t been bad, just not at Hymans excellent level. As far as COH, this particular metric doesn’t really require any statistical training, it’s really an eyes test metric, and one’s own data can easily be compared to theirs for relevancy by rewatching the game and making some notes, once you define the parameters of the metric, which is pretty easy in this case.
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Hyman is a vet player, 29yrs old. Ton of NHL experience but he's a real jump player. He loves the forecheck. But any knock on Hymans game is that he doesn't always make good go or peel reads. Sometimes the play isn't there, and no point getting caught out of position, make sure to peel back. Hyman knows this has been taught this, but he's still being on wrong side of puck on plays that had very little pressure potential.

In contrast Pulju has elite wheels, maybe less good reads but he's a kid learning the NHL game still. His stats are better than Hymans defensively and him and McD are running better GA numbers than Hyman is to this point.

Don't get me wrong. I love Hyman. I mean I compared him to no less than Ryan Smyth. I really like his bumper game around the net. We needed a depth producer like him. Glad we got him. Still want him to go to the next level in being a better all zone player making better reads.

I mean I get it. He's here on a new club and loving playing with the filthy talent here. To me both Hyman and Barrie are wild eyed being here. You can see in both how much they love it. I love having them both. Good contending teams start attracting useful players like this to fill out the lineup with skill. Theres no replacing skill. Both were top adds in respective offseasons.

As Hyman continues to adapt to the team here its critical (at least by playoff time) for him to realize he's the vet player on that line. He gets enticed with the filthy talent on that line, I mean its understandable. He has all the tools to be most effective though.
 
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I figured someone would bump this after his 2.5 goal performance last game, but I'll do it myself. Hyman has been a perfect fit on this team. I know we've all said this before and have been saying it all season but once again I'm surprisedly how fast and skilled he is, but also how well he shoots the puck. I certainly was under the impression when he signed that most of his goals would be scored in the dirty areas in front of the net, but he's been picking his spots and beating goalies clean.
 
ujju2 said:
I figured someone would bump this after his 2.5 goal performance last game, but I'll do it myself. Hyman has been a perfect fit on this team. I know we've all said this before and have been saying it all season but once again I'm surprisedly how fast and skilled he is, but also how well he shoots the puck. I certainly was under the impression when he signed that most of his goals would be scored in the dirty areas in front of the net, but he's been picking his spots and beating goalies clean.
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He's been better than I thought, at both ends of the ice. Great addition.
 
It seems like has a very high level ability of being able to take possession and cut towards the net (or middle) very powerfully, while accelerating deceptively. As mentioned above, his finishing ability seems like it's much better than advertised (I don't know his shooting percentage change); combined with being a great forechecker, hitter, cycler, PKer, and d-zone player, he seems like he's worth way more than his contract, imo
 
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Chris Johnston on his show said that Hyman has a real shot at Team Canada and that it wouldn’t surprise him at all if he was selected.



Starts at 16:20.
 
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Cool! Shoulder looks okay too (yes it’s not heavy…) :D
 
Stoneman89 said:
They should do one for Nazim Kadri in Iranian. Wonder if you could fit "shithead" on the back of the jersey?
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Speaking of Kadri, wtf is the deal with him this season? He's one of the top point getters in the league.
 
Stoneman89 said:
Always been a very talented player. Probably getting more ice time due to injuries etc to the big boys on the club.
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Talented, yes. One of the top forwards in the NHL? This is new. He literally has the 3rd best points/game in the NHL right now.
 
I love Nazem Kadri because he denied a trade to the Flames.

I despise the Flames and think they've way overachieved this year, but adding Kadri to that roster would make them a lot better than they are now.
 
I’ve had to miss the last 12 or so games. Hyman’s icetime and points are up. How’s he looking? Has he earned a spot on the top line after we see players come back from injury or is it a hot streak?
I saw his ice time is pretty high lately.
 
Pointteen said:
I’ve had to miss the last 12 or so games. Hyman’s icetime and points are up. How’s he looking? Has he earned a spot on the top line after we see players come back from injury or is it a hot streak?
I saw his ice time is pretty high lately.
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He's been great, just what we thought we'd get when we signed him.
 
Bryanbryoil said:
Talented, yes. One of the top forwards in the NHL? This is new. He literally has the 3rd best points/game in the NHL right now.
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Being on a talented team that is high scoring EV or on the PP should do that. It should here too. Its why i constantly have more expectations of our topsix players here and their production. I mean its an indictment how few players in our lineup even have 10 goals on the year. We need more from all our group.
 
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