egelband
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Would love to see:
Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Hajek-Lundkvist
Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Hajek-Lundkvist
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eco's bones
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Basically you don't want to be in a position where you constantly need to shelter a defensemen from defensive situations. Just about every game a player is going to find his team pinned in its own end for an extended period of time. When that happens players usually go through a physical wringer. They get hit more, outworked and outmuscled for pucks, sometimes end up desperately throwing themselves in the way of shots. Jones is great with the puck but I'm not sure he's really ready for the NHL. Not sure the much larger Robertson is either. Maybe one of them succeeds. Maybe both of them fail and we end up looking for another defenseman.
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If we go looking for another defenseman, I think I will go bananas.
This team is good enough to be able to have 2 unknowns/rookies.
unknown meaning......we just don't know how they will progress.
I'd rather have any of the 4 playing steadily, while mixing and matching accordingly, then to EVER search for another Nemeth (per se'). Braun is still here, right? So why search?
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McRanger92
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I think nils is miscast as an offensive defenseman. Good shot but not a great puckmover. Jones is better in that regard imo
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Yeah, I think Nils was always seen as a Defensive stalwart with added offense and PP ability, which hasn't fully translated in NA yet.
GENESISPuck94
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I strongly dislike the narrative that because a defenseman has skill and can skate and pass and has eye balls that work, but because they're not 7 feet tall it means they're bad defensively and can't play hockey for some reason.
Jones has been just fine thus far in his hockey career and puts up numbers everywhere he goes.
If Lundkvist grows a brain and shows up to camp he could also probably be just fine on the left side.
The NHL now caters to defenseman with their skill sets. Being able to move the puck up with clean passes is just as and in a lot of situations more important than being large. There's no such thing as net front battles anymore. All a player needs to be able to do is be able to escape and pass the puck.
Jones has been just fine thus far in his hockey career and puts up numbers everywhere he goes.
If Lundkvist grows a brain and shows up to camp he could also probably be just fine on the left side.
The NHL now caters to defenseman with their skill sets. Being able to move the puck up with clean passes is just as and in a lot of situations more important than being large. There's no such thing as net front battles anymore. All a player needs to be able to do is be able to escape and pass the puck.
egelband
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Yes. I thought I was the only one pushing this narrative. He can be a shooter on the power play for sure, but he’s not a PMD. Jones-Nils could be a PP combo.
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The best comp for Nils imo is Stralman with a slap shot. He shouldn’t be demanding a trade but he’ll become a solid NHLer in the right situation
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Machinehead
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rather see Robertson than Hajek, but you know Tinordi will be used in preseason
Rongomania
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rather see Robertson than Hajek, but you know Tinordi will be used in preseason
It honestly better be a carousel to showcase the young D. 20 games of that won't hurt the team and hopefully someone emerges whom we can move in a separate deal from the looming lundkvist trade. I have no problem with seeing what we've got over 20-30 games, hell, even to the deadline. We have 5 D entirely set sans a blockbuster where we move Schneider, which I do not see happening. We're in an amazing position to be in re: showing our young D's off.
* and no f*cking Tinordi unless we're severely injured.
I rather see a Robertson get a look on the Rangers over an AHL depth like Tinordi and Hajek
Rongomania
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I don't mind Hajek being shown out there, maybe he made big strides, we've no idea. That'd be great for us if he looked better. Obviously Jones / Robertson should be getting the most time.
I think if Hajek was traded to a team where he was given consistent minutes on the bottom pair, he'd probably look better and establish himself as a legitimate #6 in the NHL. I have seen him look "pretty good" enough times to lead me to believe he has it in him; the consistency isn't there and I'm sure he has no confidence at this point. He's never going to be anything special but I do think he could become a decent regular, given the right opportunity. One of those guys that in 10 years, you see he's playing for some random team out West and has 450+ games to his name and you're like, wow, really?
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LOL HF never ceases to amaze me, around this time last year the consensus was for Kreider to drop to 3LW to give Laf and Pan the top 2 LW spots. Now Lindgren coming off his healthiest and most productive season and playoffs where he clearly took a step forward offensively, defensively, physically, etc and you all want to demote him to 3D?!!! And then put Jones on 2D? Seriously are you all drunk or do you just not watch the games
Machinehead
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I was the first one to call that Kreider would score at least 30 and people would pretend to be surprised.
The only place where Lindgren excelled last year was points production. He had by far his worst year defensively and Fox's defensive metrics tanked from his usual standard when with Lindgren.
I'm more than fine with Lindgren on the second pair and Jones on the third, but the Lindgren-Fox pair is completely stale. Other teams gamelan and the pair has run its course. Miller-Trouba was a more effective pair at even strength which is saying something because I don't particularly love that one either.
Lindgren would be a good partner for Trouba who is low-key a PMD. The only reason he avoids that label is size and physicality. Trouba and the defensive zone have an awkward neighbors relationship.
Miller and Fox are both all-around guys and could play a more versatile style that reacts to the flow of the game.
egelband
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I am thinking of pairings to accentuate each players strength. Not thinking of the third pair as a demotion or garbage dump. If lindgren-Schneider plays well, they get more minutes. That’s the pair I play a lot against opponents top line. Especially a big top line.
egelband
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Hajek is definitely the 8D. But I actually think he’s no worse than carrying a random “veteran d”. He’s a bit like Georgiev in that he has talent but hasn’t gotten much development/action at all the past few years. I don’t think he has the upside to play over the other young guys, so I don’t really blame the rangers. It’s a numbers game. But also think he’s a fine depth guy.
GENESISPuck94
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That was my thinking too. I think those pairs would all contribute. Lindgren-Schneider would be tough to play against. Miller-Fox would be dynamic. And Trouba would be a steady physical partner for Jones.
egelband
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Yep. Having three great pairs with specific roles is good. “Third pairing” doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
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