I'm pretty sure Dineen has an out from Hockey Canada if the NHL comes calling. Not sure he'd want to come here though. I know Gregor was suggesting him as an associate head coach after he interviewed him recently.
Your views on Dallas Eakins so far - Part II
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I'm pretty sure Dineen has an out from Hockey Canada if the NHL comes calling. Not sure he'd want to come here though. I know Gregor was suggesting him as an associate head coach after he interviewed him recently.
oobga
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So in the latest Willis article Eakins is quoted basically saying the team he has been given simply can't compete in our conference so he and MacT are gonna need to fix that summer adding and subtracting players. Nice vote of confidence from the coach before the team plays their last 9 games. Obviously nothing this year was his fault.
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Ive said it once I'll say it again. This team needs a guy like last place Buffalo's Ted Nolan. The main thing this team is lacking is heart and work ethic.
Eakins is getting pissed off hearing how hard working a team the Flames are because its a sharp contrast to his own team and that all comes down to management and leadership.
We all know how talented our pool of 1st rounders are now if they would only play like they are on 2 way contracts we'd see this team fighting for a playoff spot next year.
Eakins is getting pissed off hearing how hard working a team the Flames are because its a sharp contrast to his own team and that all comes down to management and leadership.
We all know how talented our pool of 1st rounders are now if they would only play like they are on 2 way contracts we'd see this team fighting for a playoff spot next year.
I think one of our problems is our coaching staff (whether its Krueger or Eakins) are so **** scared of getting fired that they compromise their practises to try and eek out a few meaningless extra wins to give the GM some "we're showing improvement" nonsense. They are terrified that working the kids too hard in practise may lead to an extra loss or two.
Accept that the season is a failure. Work these guys hard in practise. At least get that part right. I don't give a crap if they maybe lose an extra game or two over the course of a season because they're tired.
You need to instill proper work ethic here and IMO our cowardly coaches are backing off from doing it. You have Smid and Bryzgalov citing that other teams have harder practices, Eakins making a big fuss over fitness, and then backing off that like 10 days into the season saying travel in the West sure is hard and we need to rest more.
Rest for what? Our playoff run?
Accept that the season is a failure. Work these guys hard in practise. At least get that part right. I don't give a crap if they maybe lose an extra game or two over the course of a season because they're tired.
You need to instill proper work ethic here and IMO our cowardly coaches are backing off from doing it. You have Smid and Bryzgalov citing that other teams have harder practices, Eakins making a big fuss over fitness, and then backing off that like 10 days into the season saying travel in the West sure is hard and we need to rest more.
Rest for what? Our playoff run?
The main problem with Eakin's is accountability or therefore, lack of it from his end. When things aren't going so well, he'll find a way to direct the blame on the players, saying they are just not good enough or not big enough to complete even though he isn't doing a great job allowing them to utilize their strengths.
Ted Nolan on the other hand is the kind of coach that won't make any excuses even given the team he's handed. Even though he realizes he doesn't have such a great roster to work with, he has integrity in the sense that he's not the type of coach to throw in the towel and kill his players confidence, something I can't say the same about when it comes to Dallas Eakins.
In my honest opinion, I truly believe he has not get the most out of his players and that's what seperates the good coaches from the mediocore coaches.
How on Earth Eakins is accountable for the team's failure is beyond me. There's probably no truer statement possible than "the team Eakins has been given can't compete in the conference". There's 8+ years of evidence with respect to that.
I don't like the guy. I don't like his stupid hair-do and his stupid tough guy face and all of the idiotic chop wood carry water ********. But saying he's a bad coach because the Oilers, the least successful sports franchise of the last decade had a bad year with him at the helm is insane.
He might be a terrible coach. It's impossible to know, because as he apparently rightly pointed out, the team has a bunch of really, really bad players on it
I don't like the guy. I don't like his stupid hair-do and his stupid tough guy face and all of the idiotic chop wood carry water ********. But saying he's a bad coach because the Oilers, the least successful sports franchise of the last decade had a bad year with him at the helm is insane.
He might be a terrible coach. It's impossible to know, because as he apparently rightly pointed out, the team has a bunch of really, really bad players on it
I know I'd probably like him more if we started winning but for some reason I feel like that as well. Soemthing about him and I hear it from other fan bases too as I don't live in Edmonton.
How is he not accountable? He's gota a team full of young players that in theory should be getting better. They showed progression last year and this year most of them have regressed. If it was 1 or 2 you could say that is on the player but when its all the players that's on the coach. Also, he's arguably been given a better team (Perron, Gordon, fasth/scrivens, hendricks,)
Top it off with the fact he gets the benefit of playing Eastern Conference this year and he has more time to coach the team unlike Krueger did due to shortened season. I don't know how any logical person can't put this on Eakins. Not saying he's the only reason clearly our players aren't good enough but he's making it worse.
Except it's clear that the team has gotten worse with him with a better roster.
Our special teams were a huge brightspot last year and they got wrecked this year with almost no charge get in personal. Our defensive system with worse guys was making Dubnyk look like an NHL goaltender who could be a back up but let in a few bad goals. Yakupov started slow but was firing 30 games in.
This year our special teams are ****, our defensive systems are even worse, Scrivens literally had to play lights out or the team bleeds great chances and Yakupov looks like a tenth of the player last year.
I don't see how any of this is not his fault. Yeah with a better team he would of had better results but honestly not by much
It's very, very, very hard to say that with anything approaching certainty. The kids coming out of OKC ran the league for the first chunk of last season, which skewed their possession stats, Yak shot the lights out, etc. etc.. I think your assertion that our D was good enough to paper over Dubnyk's apparent failures is... weird.
Like I said. He could be awful. He maybe even probably isn't very good. But it's hard to tell given the team's awful circumstances, and teeing off on the guy for being one of the only people involved with the team willing to mention how ****** the roster is is wrong headed.
One of the few things I like about him is him coming out and saying "we have bad players around our core and need better ones" is exactly what those core players are saying when they watch Mark Fraser skate around like an idiot
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Not sure if the point about the kids running the league at the start of last season is true. Looking at extraskater at their corsi stats and going by memory, the kids weren't that great to start the 12-13 season. Their actual production was pretty darn awful as we all remember because they were making really low percentage plays acting like they were playing against AHL quality D trying to dipsy doodle along the boards all night long. Took them quite a while to get their crap together. Their possession stats peaked later in the season.
This season has just been a pretty consistent dumpster show from an advanced stats perspective.
Staples has it the opposite, though of course he's using his own Neilson "scoring chances" thing rather than Corsi
oobga
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Interesting, I wish I had skills to do the corsi analysis quickly, but I don't. It's too bad all those scoring chances Staples counted up weren't really translating to real success. I remember Hall Ebs and Nuge all had crazy bad shooting %'s for a good chunk of the start of the year. Like 12-13 season Ryan Smyth bad.
Yeah, and Yak ended the season shooting 14.3, which was even higher than Eberle's the year everyone decided he was the best player in the league.
Our all-sitch PDO is 23rd best this year, it was 6th best last year. It makes judging Eakins harder than it should be.
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OilerFan4Life
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Bill Bellichick was the hottest young coaching candidate in the late 80's.
Poor guy got the head coaching job with the Cleveland Browns....garbage loser franchise with a terrible owner, horrendous management, and constant fighting with the city about the teams future in the city (hmmm sound familiar?)
He was labelled a "*****", a "jerk", and "arrogant SOB"....he wasrun out of town.
He's now widely considered the best coach in the game...maybe best ever.
Eakins will be an elite coach somewhere else....won't happen in this craphole.
Poor guy got the head coaching job with the Cleveland Browns....garbage loser franchise with a terrible owner, horrendous management, and constant fighting with the city about the teams future in the city (hmmm sound familiar?)
He was labelled a "*****", a "jerk", and "arrogant SOB"....he wasrun out of town.
He's now widely considered the best coach in the game...maybe best ever.
Eakins will be an elite coach somewhere else....won't happen in this craphole.
OilerFan4Life
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Good guys aren't successful coaches.
Pete Carroll broke every NCAA rule in the book at SC....wins Super Bowl.
Mike Tomlin trips players on the field of play...SB winning coach.
Quennville smiles once a year...when he's hoisting the cup.
John Farrell is a POS....WS champ.
Only exception in the major American pro sports is the Filipino guy on the Heat....who has....wait for it, only the greatest physical freak to ever play the game.
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our special teams have one play, the back door pass. the success last year was brought about by having a shot from the point and hard work down low/net presence. this year we dont have a player who can bomb a shot on net, we dont fight for rebounds or loose pucks and we have smyth as our only net presence. its not on the coach that the players dont want to work hard and go to some tough areas on the powerplay
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Options:
Assume Smith and Buchburger are simply "let go", as no former Oiler shall ever be fired ever.
Assume Nelson won't come up for anything but an associate job.
Do you
a) Hire Nelson as an associate coach, have Eakins bring in someone as an assistant
b) Fire Eakins, hire Nelson and his team (likely straight from OKC)
c) Fire Eakins, hire MacT/Laviolette, have them bring in assistants
d) Keep Eakins, have him add his own assistants.
Assume Smith and Buchburger are simply "let go", as no former Oiler shall ever be fired ever.
Assume Nelson won't come up for anything but an associate job.
Do you
a) Hire Nelson as an associate coach, have Eakins bring in someone as an assistant
b) Fire Eakins, hire Nelson and his team (likely straight from OKC)
c) Fire Eakins, hire MacT/Laviolette, have them bring in assistants
d) Keep Eakins, have him add his own assistants.
ddawg1950
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Eakins statement seems to be at odds with Lowe's pre season assessment that half the teams in the league would want Edmonton's roster.
Today on Hockey..............???
Today on Hockey Central at noon.........Kypreos, and McaClean said the same thing...who would you take of the Alberta teams?..........it was unanimous...................Edmonton!!!
Today on Hockey Central at noon.........Kypreos, and McaClean said the same thing...who would you take of the Alberta teams?..........it was unanimous...................Edmonton!!!
GMofOilers
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This is not the coaches job!!!! If he wants to GM the team go ahead. His job is to get these players playing to their strengths. His stupid systems, bad pp, refusal to adjust, thats all on him. Our team as a whole has regressed from last year in a lot of categories. Having good personel or not, we should be seeing some progression not regression!!!
I dont wanna hear about the oilers record the last 25 games. Teams have had 50 shots a game a few times since. Thats not progression!
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