Value of: Your Teams Ullmark Offer

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

You don’t see a lot of goalies going at the deadline for a lot of reasons.

Yup
Feel like the last one was Miller to the Blues? At the deadline
Didn’t work out at all

 

[stempniaksen]

Good idea but not enough

I would want Ostapchuk or Krieg with those picks. Sens can keep Lassi

Grieg seems like a non-starter if the rumours of him being off the table for Chychrun were true.

That being said, I absolutely expected the "counter" to be the 2nds + Ostapchuk, which honestly shouldn't be off the table from a Sens perspective,

Ultimately I think they end up going cheaper in nets, but it's a fun excercise since the teams needs seem to match up. Maybe a version without Frederic would be more palatable for both sides in this case.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Ullmark didn't sign an extension offer from GMKA. If he wanted to stay, that was his opportunity.

The Sabres were a mess when he left, and he still only really seemed to go because the Bruins made him a better offer. It would be silly not to welcome him back in Buffalo if he’d accept a trade here. He’d be a fantastic stopgap while Levi develops.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You don’t see a lot of goalies going at the deadline for a lot of reasons.

That's usually because the bad teams that would be selling are usually bad in part because they have bad goalies. No one is calling up Chicago to talk about trading for Mrazek to help their goalie situation.

When those bad teams do have good goalies, they usually end up selling them though. You saw Columbus trade Korpisalo this year and Chicago trade both Lehner and Fleury in recent years.

 

[Dead Coyote]

I'd like Ullmark to stay in Bruins. But just for the fun of it I'm going to make a 3 team trade proposal:

To Florida: Linus Ullmark
To Yotes: Bobrovsky + 1st and somewhat ok prospect from Florida
To Bruins: Nick Schmaltz + 2nd from Florida

This should be done after signing bonus been paid out.

Yotes would save alot of real dollars and can potentially save even more thanks to Bobs cap hit.

Florida save cap and upgrade goalie position. (Ok, Bob won this year but realistically Linus is a better choice)

Bruins get even better forward depth and can keep Swayman.

We're absolutely not trading Schmaltz essentially for free. Bob isn't getting any younger and Schmaltz can fetch a 1st or 2nd by himself.

 

[Gubbhornet]

We're absolutely not trading Schmaltz essentially for free. Bob isn't getting any younger and Schmaltz can fetch a 1st or 2nd by himself.

Well, the assumtion was also that yotes management want to save real dollars. But up the ok prospect to a good one then?

 

[go4hockey]

What about

Canes: Arvidsson or Iafallo
Kings: picks and prospect

Kings: Ullmark
Bruins: Roy, 2nd, 3rd

If LA is serious about trying to win they should not be moving Roy.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Well, the assumtion was also that yotes management want to save real dollars. But up the ok prospect to a good one then?

We save 2.5m in salary but take on 5m more in cap hit and for 2 years we still pay 2.5m in bonuses so we don't even save that much. Basically 2.5m for one year. So no, we're not taking on a 34yo goalie on a 10m cap hit for free. You'd have to attach assets with him for us to take that kind of contract, and I doubt Florida would even want to do that. In this scenario they get Ullmark as a replacement which is probably fine. But you can pretty much take what you have coming to the yotes and double it as the cost for taking on Bob and moving Schmaltz out.

 

[rocketdan9]

If LA is serious about trying to win they should not be moving Roy.

Kings need a starting goalie tho...

Cant sign UFA

 

[dredeye]

That assumes that they'll find a team willing to meet their price on Hellebuyck this off-season, which is not guaranteed at all.

Well those team will likely turn to the Bruins with interest in Ullmark

 

[FSL KINGS]

Kings need a starting goalie tho...

Cant sign UFA

Pheonix is better than what the King's started the season with last year.

 

[Gubbhornet]

We save 2.5m in salary but take on 5m more in cap hit and for 2 years we still pay 2.5m in bonuses so we don't even save that much. Basically 2.5m for one year. So no, we're not taking on a 34yo goalie on a 10m cap hit for free. You'd have to attach assets with him for us to take that kind of contract, and I doubt Florida would even want to do that. In this scenario they get Ullmark as a replacement which is probably fine. But you can pretty much take what you have coming to the yotes and double it as the cost for taking on Bob and moving Schmaltz out.

Schmaltz is more dollar than cap hit, bob is more cap hit than dollar. Owners goal is to reach cap floor for as few dollars as possible.

 

[Dead Coyote]

Schmaltz is more dollar than cap hit, bob is more cap hit than dollar. Owners goal is to reach cap floor for as few dollars as possible.

So then why would we buy out Kassian and Nemeth with real money? And why would we say we're not trading Schmaltz or Keller?

Even if we were doing that this still wouldn't make sense because there's barely any savings and we're giving Schmaltz away for free.

 

[pf8363]

Peyton Krebs makes a lot of sense for both teams. Sabres have too many young centers to get him the opportunity he’s earned. Bruins need forwards on ELCs. I’d welcome ullmark back with open arms

 

[Gubbhornet]

So then why would we buy out Kassian and Nemeth with real money? And why would we say we're not trading Schmaltz or Keller?

Even if we were doing that this still wouldn't make sense because there's barely any savings and we're giving Schmaltz away for free.

Depending who the replacements are it still might be dollar savings... but maybe they will start to build the team again... Anyway, you don't need to do my proposed trade. I just wanted to note that different things are of value depending where you are as an organizations, and that cap isn't really a problem for the yotes.

If I was managing the yotes, I would only focus on being stacked with future talent that had the potential of starting to perform when the new arena is ready.

...but yeah, I understand if it sucks as a fan.

 

[The don godfather]

Peyton Krebs makes a lot of sense for both teams. Sabres have too many young centers to get him the opportunity he’s earned. Bruins need forwards on ELCs. I’d welcome ullmark back with open arms

I'm in. I like krebs .

 

[bruins4thecup65]

Ullmark to EDM or Seattle my prediction

 

[tsujimoto74]

Peyton Krebs makes a lot of sense for both teams. Sabres have too many young centers to get him the opportunity he’s earned. Bruins need forwards on ELCs. I’d welcome ullmark back with open arms

I suspect that the appetite for moving Krebs in Buffalo is approximately 0. Pests who can actually play hockey are tough to come by.

 

[njdevils6]

Devils should be all over this

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

The Sabres were a mess when he left, and he still only really seemed to go because the Bruins made him a better offer. It would be silly not to welcome him back in Buffalo if he’d accept a trade here. He’d be a fantastic stopgap while Levi develops.

If Ullmark *wanted* to come back, Sabres should welcome him with open arms... as long as the price is right. No interest in helping the Bruins out of cap-hell.

 

[bb_fan]

Trading from a position of weakness = lower return

Habs don't offer up anything. Ullmark doesn't fit our window. Swayman would be the target

all you need are two teams who want him.....

 

[Mersss]

all you need are two teams who want him.....

Yah. But lots of goalie for sale also

 

[wintersej]

Trading from a position of weakness = lower return

Habs don't offer up anything. Ullmark doesn't fit our window. Swayman would be the target

Sure but they don’t have to move Ullmark. They could move Gryz and Frederic. They would move a goalie because it’s a good return because they have two #1 goalies.

 

[Mersss]

Sure but they don’t have to move Ullmark. They could move Gryz and Frederic. They would move a goalie because it’s a good return because they have two #1 goalies.

MAF, after a vezina season, got traded got traded for nothing.

Goalies dont hold value, goalies nearing 30 even less. Goalies nearing 30 on cap strapped teams even less

 

[Forge]

Devils should be all over this

I think Ullmark to the devils may even make more sense than Helle to the devils, to be honest. Yes, Ullmark is probably not going to repeat last year ever again in his career, and he won't be as good most likely, but I don't think he's going to cost very much in a trade at all given his NTC and the Bruins cap problems.

The devils can fit him in in the cap this year, roll with he and vanacek this year, the move off Vitek next year and go Ullmark / Schmid for a year before handing off to Schmid / random goalie 2a that is available.