Boston Bruins Your roster changes / proposals XI

[wintersej]

Not at 11 aav he ain't no raymond bourque. Hes more in the line of ryan mcdonagh I feel.

He is better than Ryan mcd has ever been lol. Are we the only fan base the underestimates their own players and team?!

 

[wintersej]

Nurse over the last three years:

GP: 1st - 209
Blocks: 11th - 387
Hits: 11th - 451
TOI: 14th - 24:11 (one second behind Pietro)
PPG: 31st - .526 (McAvoy is 32nd - .523)
PIM: 4th - 192
SOG: 6th - 520 (tied with Gio)

Yea...I'd pay him.

Nurse bleeeeeds shot and quality scoring chances against. Tell me how many of those points Nurse gets without playing 60% of his time on ice with McDavid (which is an insane number).

 

[chizzler]

Nurse over the last three years:

GP: 1st - 209
Blocks: 11th - 387
Hits: 11th - 451
TOI: 14th - 24:11 (one second behind Pietro)
PPG: 31st - .526 (McAvoy is 32nd - .523)
PIM: 4th - 192
SOG: 6th - 520 (tied with Gio)

Yea...I'd pay him.

So because two teams overpaid because their stupid, we have to also?

 

[Oates2Neely]

For the record I take McAvoy over Hamilton all day long. Dougie could only wish to have half of McAvoys hunger to win.

 

[easton117]

So because two teams overpaid because their stupid, we have to also?

I do agree with the other teams being dumb so why should Boston line of thinking. But I think they’ll pay upwards of 9-9.5 no matter what.

Bruins have been lucky for a while now as far as high end contracts go. McAvoy is really the only one on the roster who could command one currently (Pastrnak will eventually) so I really can’t blame him for getting what the market says he should

 

[The don godfather]

He is better than Ryan mcd has ever been lol. Are we the only fan base the underestimates their own players and team?!

Ryan mcdonagh ain't small potatoes here. He is still elite and practically why they won this years cup. In his young days with rags he played like 30 plus min a game and shut everyone down plus producing points. I think hes probably one of the best dman in the last 10 yrs.

 

[JEM28]

He's making $7.3 million this season. You really think he will be under 8?

nope. I don’t.

I think $8.5 - $9.

 

[BB88]

Jones and Werenski
You will always get some players that are overpaid and I believe these two are a good example. They were both UFAs which is also a factor as they can move on if they so wish.

8.5-9m would be fair market value for Charlie and I believe somehow DS will get it done.

I hope 8.5-9 but low 8 seems impossible.

Hamilton, Jones, Makar, Heiskanen, Werenski, Nurse
Just too many top tier contracts were given and McAvoy belongs to the group with Werenski, Nurse & Jones 100%

 

[bruinsfan1968]

He's making $7.3 million this season. You really think he will be under 8?

That is not his aav or caphit for this season, that is 4.9m. So please explain that?. Between the 7.3m and his aav.

 

[DominicT]

That is not his aav or caphit for this season, that is 4.9m. So please explain that?. Between the 7.3m and his aav.

His actual money earned in his current contract is 3.7 million, 3.7 million and 7.3 million for a cap hit of 4.9 million per year.

He actually will earn 7.3 million in cash this season. Which my original post said. I wasn't talking cap hit.

And since he will be an RFA, his qualifying offer is 7.3 million (actual money earned in his final season) so his next contract won't be a penny less.

I'm not talking cap hit. I'm talking real money earned.

 

[EverettMike]

If DS gives him 9 million he should be fired on the spot! Charlie is good but he's no Ray Bourgue! He hasn't shown me enough so far to warrant that contract. He wouldn't be a top 2 Dman on most cup contenders, so your offering 9 million for a 2nd pair Dman?

What the f***?

 

[Gordoff]

If DS gives him 9 million he should be fired on the spot! Charlie is good but he's no Ray Bourgue! He hasn't shown me enough so far to warrant that contract. He wouldn't be a top 2 Dman on most cup contenders, so your offering 9 million for a 2nd pair Dman?

No offense but that's just silly talk. McAvoy is at the beginning of what promises to be a huge career. If they don't sign him now to a long term deal and he leaves, the damage will be felt for a decade. Defensemen usually reach their peak in their late twenties (26-28) IMO and star d-men like him hold their value for several years after.
There's no way he's a second string d-man, even on a Stanley Cup winning team. Any championship level team would find space for him as a 1 or 2.

 

[kjpm]

Some of these takes make me wonder if we're watching the same player. We're talking about #73 right? McAvoy is very clearly one of the absolute top defenders in the game today, by both eyes and numbers, and he's getting talked about like he's Brad Stuart over here

Pay the man.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I’d go for a 8.5 cap hit with 7.5 his first season and something like 9.5 in his last

 

[Gordoff]

I’d go for a 8.5 cap hit with 7.5 his first season and something like 9.5 in his last

Yeah, I'm thinking 10 years. First year at $8 mil ramping up to $10.5 million by year 10.
They can't screw around with losing him, sign him up, pay him and play him.

 

[Shroud of Orrin]

I respect all opinions to a point, but I believe Nurse earned all he got. Guy was drafted 3rd OA in the OHL. He has an U18 gold. He has a WJC gold (where he was explosive exactly the same as McAvoy was in his). Nurse had the 2nd most goals last year by an NHL d-man. Nurse has not made his living off of McDavid. The same as Charlie hasn't made his off Pasta. It helps to play with elite talent all day long but consider Nurse doesn't even see PP1. Throw these guys on any team and they're first pair material.

To me, they are a perfect comparable where their elite physical skills limit their offensive upside, but are still clear #1's and incredibly important to their respective teams. Leaders. Neither are in the Hedman category (so few are).

The bottom line is McAvoy is going to be 9/8/72M and he will be the B's captain at some point. It's pretty obvious. And I don't think the word "discount" is going to work here either.

It is what it is.

 

[UncleRico]

No he shouldn't. He's not at Hamilton's level and Nurse got overpaid. Edmonton is Edmonton not the most desirable place in the world. 30M on 3 players in Edmonton. Never build a winning team like that.

Worked pretty well paying Chara top dollar in the league back in the day. Team hadn’t won in decades and locked up one of the best defenders in the league on one of the biggest contracts.

 

[JOKER 192]

Worked pretty well paying Chara top dollar in the league back in the day. Team hadn’t won in decades and locked up one of the best defenders in the league on one of the biggest contracts.

Laughable. Mac is nowhere near prime Chara, come on.

Also, and very important, Chara was UFA at the time who they were trying to lure to what was a pretty bad team.

Mac is an RFA who is playing on a rather good team. He played for the team for 4 seasons and 5 PO's. Bonds have been made, roots have started to grow deep. Most players resign with their current teams at market value.
What the question is at this point is what is fair market value? It sure as f*** isn't 13M like some here think.

Hamilton gets 9.25 to go to a shitty team like NJD as a UFA and yet somehow some here think Mac is worth more as a RFA while he produces at about have the clip. Just utter f***ing nonsense.

 

[UncleRico]

Laughable. Mac is nowhere near prime Chara, come on.

Also, and very important, Chara was UFA at the time who they were trying to lure to what was a pretty bad team.

Mac is an RFA who is playing on a rather good team. He played for the team for 4 seasons and 5 PO's. Bonds have been made, roots have started to grow deep. Most players resign with their current teams at market value.
What the question is at this point is what is fair market value? It sure as f*** isn't 13M like some here think.

Hamilton gets 9.25 to go to a shitty team like NJD as a UFA and yet somehow some here think Mac is worth more as a RFA while he produces at about have the clip. Just utter f***ing nonsense.

What’s laughable is you thinking McAvoy produced at “have” the clip which I assume you mean he has half his production. Dougie got almost 1.5x the power play time Mcavoy did which boosted his numbers. Dougie had two more even strength points than McAvoy and McAvoy played four less games.

McAvoy almost played twice the amount of penalty kill time Dougie did because Dougie wasn’t close to the top defensive option on his defense and can’t even touch McAvoys defensive ability.

As far as Chara. Bruins have chara $7.5m a year when the salary cap was $44m for teams. I’m not saying go out and give him chara money as a percentage of the cap. I was just replying to the idea that a team giving out top dollar to a player doesn’t affect their championship aspirations.

Also as far as being an RFA that really doesn’t matter much these days as we just saw Cale Makar get $9m a year as an RFA

 

[slim399]

A month ago I was hoping for 8 years at 8mill per but that doesn’t seem realistic with the recent contracts signed.

I think McAvoy and Pastrnak signing matching 8 years 9mill per contracts

 

[wintersej]

A month ago I was hoping for 8 years at 8mill per but that doesn’t seem realistic with the recent contracts signed.

I think McAvoy and Pastrnak signing matching 8 years 9mill per contracts

And in that scenario, I feel like I’m getting a better deal on McAvoy with how aging curves work.

 

[analyser]

His actual money earned in his current contract is 3.7 million, 3.7 million and 7.3 million for a cap hit of 4.9 million per year.

He actually will earn 7.3 million in cash this season. Which my original post said. I wasn't talking cap hit.

And since he will be an RFA, his qualifying offer is 7.3 million (actual money earned in his final season) so his next contract won't be a penny less.

I'm not talking cap hit. I'm talking real money earned.

Yes this 7.3 will affect the qualifying offer due to the way the contract was structured. The cap hit average is still only 4.9 for these years and this is actually what he has pocketed.

Lets say for example 8.5 for the next 8 years is his new contract.

In comparison, 14.9 for 3 years as compared to 25.5 for the next 3 years and beyond is a prety decent raise. It is like a 42.2 % raise, which most people would accept with open arms.

DS just get him signed so we can all stop speculating what the final dollar will be. We can haggle all we want but in the end this means S***.

 

[DominicT]

Yes this 7.3 will affect the qualifying offer due to the way the contract was structured. The cap hit average is still only 4.9 for these years and this is actually what he has pocketed.

Lets say for example 8.5 for the next 8 years is his new contract.

In comparison, 14.9 for 3 years as compared to 25.5 for the next 3 years and beyond is a prety decent raise. It is like a 42.2 % raise, which most people would accept with open arms.

DS just get him signed so we can all stop speculating what the final dollar will be. We can haggle all we want but in the end this means S***.

That's exactly what AAV is. My original point was and still is:

He earned $3.7 million in real money his first year (of which $2.5 million was a signing bonus)
He earned $3.7 million in real money his second year (of which $1 million was a signing bonus)
He will earn $7.3 million in real money this upcoming season (with no signing bonuses)

His paycheck from year one goes from $92,307.69 (before deductions) to $561,538.46 (before deductions) for this upcoming season. (13 paychecks in a NHL season).

His "raise" is not based off of his AAV, it's based off the final year f his contract.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[JOKER 192]

A month ago I was hoping for 8 years at 8mill per but that doesn’t seem realistic with the recent contracts signed.

I think McAvoy and Pastrnak signing matching 8 years 9mill per contracts

Something like that

 

[analyser]

That's exactly what AAV is. My original point was and still is:

He earned $3.7 million in real money his first year (of which $2.5 million was a signing bonus)
He earned $3.7 million in real money his second year (of which $1 million was a signing bonus)
He will earn $7.3 million in real money this upcoming season (with no signing bonuses)

His paycheck from year one goes from $92,307.69 (before deductions) to $561,538.46 (before deductions) for this upcoming season. (13 paychecks in a NHL season).

His "raise" is not based off of his AAV, it's based off the final year f his contract.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

So we will use the 7.3 for this year and offer him 8.5 which is a 1.2 raise. Sign him for 8 years and he will receive 68 mil over this time, a decent chunk of change.

DS agreed with the last contract terms so he can argue over the current salary and determine what he has to pay. I agree, it could be a sticking point in the negotiations but the average will still come into play.

I personally hope they can get him for max 9 per. We shall see.