GDT: Your New Jersey Devils vs. New York Islanders, 7 PM, MSGSN/MSGSN2

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My3Sons

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Yea I’m just here for the jokes, making obvious statements, and getting sweet sweet likes. If I ever make a serious comment, alert the local authorities.
Isn't that the point? This is supposed to be entertainment and a distraction. Obviously you want the team to win but you have no control over it and it's not healthy to let it bother you too much once the game is over. When it ceases to be fun that's the time to turn off the tv and log out. Unless you are @Bleedred in which case it is time to throw some more insults at the goalies and have the written equivalent of a full body dry heave.
 

glenwo2

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Switching gears here...

We are at the turning point of the season. A loss against the Isles would've been terrible after that great Buffalo-game. But the boys did it, great effort und comeback. Way to go!
It would've been a massively-blown chance to get back into this after both the Sabres and, unbelievably, the Sharks did the Devils a solid by beating the Rags and Caps respectively.
 
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I don't think Vitek is playing well at all. I just find it obnoxious to read 20 straight posts every time the dude lets up a goal saying the exact same thing, one after another. People start arguing with imaginary "Vitek defenders" that don't actually exist. We all get it, dude sucks right now. Nobody disagrees! But we on HF are not the coach who decided to play him or the GM who hasn't found his replacement. We're sitting here trying to enjoy a hockey game. Don't need to read obsessive missives about the goalie who we all know stinks. There's a whole game going on.

It was worse in the Buffalo game where the two goals the poor guy gave up were on the PK and basically unstoppable. Like an obsession to shit on the guy. Whenever this happens with anyone playing poorly, it makes GDTs so much less fun and gives the awful posters who only show up to crap on the team when they're down even more ammunition. You could watch Jack Hughes perform magic right in front of you! You could watch Smith beat up a guy! You don't need top write for the 20th time in the same thread that Vitek is a below-average goalie. We all know!
 

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Isn't that the point? This is supposed to be entertainment and a distraction. Obviously you want the team to win but you have no control over it and it's not healthy to let it bother you too much once the game is over. When it ceases to be fun that's the time to turn off the tv and log out. Unless you are @Bleedred in which case it is time to throw some more insults at the goalies and have the written equivalent of a full body dry heave.
You would think so, old lawyer man, but it gets mighty serious around here for no reason sometimes!
 

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Yeah these defenses on here is just bizarre now lol
Ummm, I think you mean how Lazar…
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The reason some of us find the constant shifting on the goaltending obnoxious has nothing to do with thinking it’s been fine or being apologists, it has to do with acknowledging the reality that there is literally nothing that can be done about it (aside from playing Akira more and it’s certainly not a given that that will be a major improvement).

Conversely, the shitty play of the skaters in front of the goalie CAN be fixed, with proper coaching and systems and accountability.

What is the point of incessantly complaining and focusing the majority of your ire on something that can’t be changed vs. the things that can be?

Then the frustration gets ramped up further when people engage in circular reasoning by citing xG as evidence that the team is fine defensively, just completely ignoring that many of us don’t see any particular value to that inconsistent, subjective stat line. Citing it repeatedly is not going to change my mind. It’s a severely flawed number that clearly doesn’t account for the elements that the devils are absolutely worst in - namely the amount of odd man rushes, breakaways, and time and space our defenders give to the opposition.

This isn’t really that hard to visualize if you watch how our HD chances against unfold and give it some thought. xG measures danger primarily by location…the devils may not give up chances in those specific locations any more frequently than most other teams, ok sure perhaps I can grant that xG is capturing that correctly. But if the few times they give up those chances it’s on a breakaway or theres no devil applying pressure anywhere within 10 feet of the shooter, common sense tells you that chance is going to be much more dangerous than a similar one other teams might give up but with defenders applying pressure. To put it another way…team A gives up 4 chances in the slot but with strong defensive pressure on the shooter while team B also gives up 4 chances from the slot but with zero defensive pressure…xG will measure both exactly the same despite the reality that the danger level is actually quite different. And it just so happens that what xG doesn’t account for is exactly the devils biggest weakness.

TLDR; we know the goaltending has not been good, but we also know there’s little that can be done about it. The skaters have also not been good, and that can be made better with proper coaching. Please stop citing xG as proof that the devils D hasn’t been that bad, because it’s not accurately measuring what this team is the worst at.
 

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I mean, Sal put up a stat about how the devils have the fourth worst uncontested slot shot rate in the entire league, despite our xG HD against numbers being at the top. If that doesn’t show you that xG is painting a highly inaccurate picture, then I don’t know what to tell you.
 
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I mean, Sal put up a stat about how the devils have the fourth worst uncontested slot shot rate in the entire league, despite our xG HD against numbers being at the top. If that doesn’t show you that xG is painting a highly inaccurate picture, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Ugh, c'mon Sal, I wish he would just admit he doesn't understand the stat at all and take the L.
 
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