Value of: Your decent bottom 6 RW to Anaheim

[mrinsane]

Brian Flynn and Andrighetto for Paul Kariya rookie card.

 

[eternalbedhead]

Rakell doesn't have the leverage to demand that much

Considering the contracts around 3.5-4M we've handed out lately, if we want to sign him long-term rather than doing a bridge deal, then he absolutely has leverage to ask for at least 3.5.

 

[mytduxfan*]

Considering the contracts around 3.5-4M we've handed out lately, if we want to sign him long-term rather than doing a bridge deal, then he absolutely has leverage to ask for at least 3.5.

Yeah, but I think we'll be going for a 2 year bridge deal.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Considering the contracts around 3.5-4M we've handed out lately, if we want to sign him long-term rather than doing a bridge deal, then he absolutely has leverage to ask for at least 3.5.

Which of those contracts do you see as a comparable for Rakell on his second deal? If you're referring to Silf and Hagelin, those were not second contracts. As pointed out, there's very little chance we don't see a short term bridge for Rakell.

 

[BatVader]

Habs need Fowler.
What's the price?
We can include Andrighetto, who fills that 3RW slot.

 

[RangerBoy]

Fast for Montour

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Habs need Fowler.
What's the price?
We can include Andrighetto, who fills that 3RW slot.

No where near a good enough starting point for Fowler. Maybe something around Ghetto and Despres.

Fast for Montour

Not a chance Fast is going to bring back a prospect of that quality. If he's available there could be some interest from our end, but at that type of price point you can keep him.

 

[ottawa]

I think Mitchell would be a great fit there, it'd suck to see him to go but he's expendable imo

 

[eternalbedhead]

Yeah, but I think we'll be going for a 2 year bridge deal.

I don't doubt that and I think that's the route we should take. I was only evaluating what Rakell might ask for if we wanted to sign him long-term.

Which of those contracts do you see as a comparable for Rakell on his second deal? If you're referring to Silf and Hagelin, those were not second contracts. As pointed out, there's very little chance we don't see a short term bridge for Rakell.

Not Hagelin, but Silfverberg. No, it's not his 2nd contract, but he wasn't exactly any more proven than Rakell is when he signed it. Their professional career arcs are actually fairly similar. Silfverberg had a better first season in Ottawa than Rakell had with us in his 18 game stint a couple years back, but other than that they are very similar.

 

[BatVader]

No where near a good enough starting point for Fowler. Maybe something around Ghetto and Despres.

Wasn't a starting point, just an add in.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Wasn't a starting point, just an add in.

That's fine but to be honest I don't see a Fowler deal lining up with the Habs. You have your three top young forwards who seem highly unlikely to be traded and beyond that I don't think there's anything that gets a conversation going.

 

[SEALBound]

Chris Kunitz is who you seek. Despres straight up. Basically makes the deal Kunitz for Lovejoy...which is honestly about right.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Fast for Montour

Beat me to it:


Jesper Fast for Brandon Montour?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Beat me to it:


Jesper Fast for Brandon Montour?

See my answer above, that's horrible for Anaheim. Montour is way too impressive to trade for a bottom six forward.

 

[Raspewtin]

it sounds like you're describing Fast and Lindberg from the Rangers. One of them could realistically be moved because we have way wayyyyy too many forwards this coming camp.

See my answer above, that's horrible for Anaheim. Montour is way too impressive to trade for a bottom six forward.

What about Despres?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Habs need Fowler.
What's the price?
We can include Andrighetto, who fills that 3RW slot.

Anaheim needs a 1LW or 2LW not a 3RW Andrighetto does them no good.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

it sounds like you're describing Fast and Lindberg from the Rangers. One of them could realistically be moved because we have way wayyyyy too many forwards this coming camp.



What about Despres?

Something around Lindberg and Despres would be interesting, but can the Rangers afford the cap hit?

 

[eternalbedhead]

Anaheim needs a 1LW or 2LW not a 3RW Andrighetto does them no good.

Even with the Vermette signing, our bottom 6 is pretty ****. We could definitely use a 3RW. 1LW can probably be filled by Rakell (or Ritchie if he can come out of training camp with guns blazing, or Garbutt as more of a complimentary player) and Cogliano at 2LW isn't ideal, but it's good enough considering how good the Cogs-Kesler-Silf line was last year. To be honest though, at this point, anything that bolsters our forward core without completely shutting out any possibility of signing Rakell and Lindholm would be welcome.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Even with the Vermette signing, our bottom 6 is pretty ****. We could definitely use a 3RW. 1LW can probably be filled by Rakell (or Ritchie if he can come out of training camp with guns blazing, or Garbutt as more of a complimentary player) and Cogliano at 2LW isn't ideal, but it's good enough considering how good the Cogs-Kesler-Silf line was last year. To be honest though, at this point, anything that bolsters our forward core without completely shutting out any possibility of signing Rakell and Lindholm would be welcome.

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[robbieboy3686]

Considering the contracts around 3.5-4M we've handed out lately, if we want to sign him long-term rather than doing a bridge deal, then he absolutely has leverage to ask for at least 3.5.

He doesn't deserve a long term deal for a penny more than 3.25-3.5 million a year, 1 solid season isn't enough for more, he will probably get a bridge deal.

 

[vipernsx]

Nate Thompson & 5th for Tanner Glass

Saves the ducks 150k in cap space and 700k in real money. Works for their budget. Glass is bigger and better at handling the large forwards you get in the West.

Gives the Rangers a 4th line center option while Lindberg is on LTIR. Thompson could excel as a 4th line checking center in the smaller east.

Ducks add a 5th for the fiscal benefit they receive. Player skill is comparable.

NM...Thompson is in worse shape then Lindberg.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Nate Thompson & 5th for Tanner Glass

Saves the ducks 150k in cap space and 700k in real money. Works for their budget. Glass is bigger and better at handling the large forwards you get in the West.

Gives the Rangers a 4th line center option while Lindberg is on LTIR. Thompson could excel as a 4th line checking center in the smaller east.

Ducks add a 5th for the fiscal benefit they receive. Player skill is comparable.

This is a solid deal, I would make this.

 

[eternalbedhead]

He doesn't deserve a long term deal for a penny more than 3.25-3.5 million a year, 1 solid season isn't enough for more, he will probably get a bridge deal.

Silfverberg really only had 1 solid season with us. He was on a 36.3 point pace the season before we signed him (the season we gave him the 1-year bridge), while Rakell was on a 35.8 point pace the season before this year. Silfverberg had a near-40 point season and got 3.75 long term. Rakell was on a 49-point pace for the season, maybe not being as good as Silfverberg defensively this year (Rakell is still good there though) but being better offensively. (whereas Silfverberg is still good offensively)

Point being? If Bob Murray approaches Rakell and offers him a long term deal at 3M, Rakell can point at Silfverberg and make this comparison. Rakell also can point at Silfverberg if he's not happy with Bob Murray offering a 1 or 2 year bridge contract and ask for more term.

 

[robbieboy3686]

Silfverberg really only had 1 solid season with us. He was on a 36.3 point pace the season before we signed him (the season we gave him the 1-year bridge), while Rakell was on a 35.8 point pace the season before this year. Silfverberg had a near-40 point season and got 3.75 long term. Rakell was on a 49-point pace for the season, maybe not being as good as Silfverberg defensively this year (Rakell is still good there though) but being better offensively. (whereas Silfverberg is still good offensively)

Point being? If Bob Murray approaches Rakell and offers him a long term deal at 3M, Rakell can point at Silfverberg and make this comparison. Rakell also can point at Silfverberg if he's not happy with Bob Murray offering a 1 or 2 year bridge contract and ask for more term.

2 years 5.75 million is around what it will be imo for a bridge deal, or 5 years 20.5 million longer term.

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Anaheim could sign Paul, Steve and Martin Kariya out of retirement to be the bottom six wingers, without having to make a trade.