Value of: Your best RW offer for RFA RHD Matt Dumba

[AOSC]

I did. Was considering Brodin because he is 4 years younger than Spugeon...but ya, Spurgeon is much better defensively. So ya, Spurgeon/Scandella.

Actually...Spurgeon/Brodin. Best of both worlds!

Spurgeon much better defensively than Brodin? you weren't kidding that you don't watch games.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I did. Was considering Brodin because he is 4 years younger than Spugeon...but ya, Spurgeon is much better defensively. So ya, Spurgeon/Scandella.

Actually...Spurgeon/Brodin. Best of both worlds!

If you're picking a pair, Spurgeon/Scandella is the best choice because they have this innate ability to play with each other. While Scandella is always good, he's at his absolute best when playing with Spurgeon. They are just so in sync.

It's why alot of Wild fans keep hoping and praying that Dumba takes that next step and becomes reliable enough to consistently pair with Suter, so we can re-unite Scandella and Spurgeon.

 

[gwh]

It is serious.

Didn't you say between Spurgeon/Scandella vs Brodin/Scandella?

Two words for you: Taylor Hall.

So Scandella+Spurgeon is

a) Serious offer
b) Homer test

 

[tomgilbertfan]

I did. Was considering Brodin because he is 4 years younger than Spugeon...but ya, Spurgeon is much better defensively. So ya, Spurgeon/Scandella.

Actually...Spurgeon/Brodin. Best of both worlds!

Spurgeon is not "much better defensively" than Brodin.

Also trading 2 of our top-4 for Nylander is insane and terrible for us.

 

[Liferleafer]

Spurgeon much better defensively than Brodin? you weren't kidding that you don't watch games.

No, i wasn't kidding. That's the problem with stats...they don't tell the whole picture...which is why i always prefer the eye test. I openly admitted i don't see a lot of Wild games....so i will trust the Wild fans.

 

[gwh]

Also trading 2 of our top-4 for Nylander is insane and terrible for us.

Come on man, this was such fun thread.

Clearly Nylander is better than Taylor Hall. With the margin of one Scandella.

 

[AOSC]

Come on man, this was such fun thread.

Clearly Nylander is better than Taylor Hall. With the margin of one Scandella.

Exactly. This thread of Leaf fans makes no sense. I get it they don't want to trade a young gun but then they offer an AHL winger prospect Brodin IMO is worth the most besides Suter. I would rather give up Dumba who is still worth a good young full time NHLer.

 

[Liferleafer]

Come on man, this was such fun thread.

Clearly Nylander is better than Taylor Hall. With the margin of one Scandella.

Umm guys? It wasn't a TO fan that said "any 2 of the Wild D other than Suter for Nylander".....

 

[AOSC]

Umm guys? It wasn't a TO fan that said "any 2 of the Wild D other than Suter for Nylander".....

Your fan base still all thought that Nylander is worth 2 of our core young Defense. He is worth 1 with a small add depending on the player.

 

[Liferleafer]

Two words for you: Taylor Hall.

So Scandella+Spurgeon is

a) Serious offer
b) Homer test

A few more words for you...Erat for Forsberg. A bad trade doesn't set the market for every trade going forward.

 

[Liferleafer]

]Your fan base still all thought that Nylander is worth 2 of[/B] our core young Defense. He is worth 1 with a small add depending on the player.

If a guy offered to sell a mint Porsche for $1000, would you make jokes about the guy who bought it? Blame the guy who made the offer...not Leaf fans.

 

[gwh]

Exactly. This thread of Leaf fans makes no sense. I get it they don't want to trade a young gun but then they offer an AHL winger prospect Brodin IMO is worth the most besides Suter. I would rather give up Dumba who is still worth a good young full time NHLer.

Dumba actual worth is in the lower ballpark of RNH-. The deal went sour because EDM wanted an add, we didn't want to add anything. The market value is in the mid and depends on size of EDM add request.

We ll get something very nice out of Dumba. Just needs a team that value successful touches and all that crap.

 

[AOSC]

A few more words for you....Gaustad for Forsberg. A bad trade doesn't set the market for every trade going forward.

You mean Erat? Forsberg was still a prospect. Larsson and Hall were stud young players.

 

[Liferleafer]

You mean Erat? Forsberg was still a prospect. Larsson and Hall were stud young players.

Yup...sorry, not sure why Gaustad came to mind....

And maybe you can find that perfect storm of a team desperate for D with a surplus of expendable youth. Unfortunately, that's not Toronto. The Leafs are very early in the rebuild, no need to make a desperate move.

 

[gwh]

A few more words for you....Gaustad for Forsberg. A bad trade doesn't set the market for every trade going forward.

So who lost?

EDM is looking spanktacular and Taylor Hall is 7+10 and putting people to hospital on a mean streak.

1st pair D returns a 1st line forward.

 

[StevenB]

After watching yesterday's game, it seems like Dumba has little to no hockey IQ. I hope that isn't how he plays normally

 

[gwh]

After watching yesterday's game, it seems like Dumba has little to no hockey IQ. I hope that isn't how he plays normally

You should worry more about Carrick though... Not an NHL D.

We can trade Olofsson to TOR if you want an upgrade. (edit: and this is my 100% honest zero sarcasm statement. Olofsson > Carrick based on yesterday)

 

[Liferleafer]

So who lost?

EDM is looking spanktacular and Taylor Hall is 7+10 and putting people to hospital on a mean streak.

1st pair D returns a 1st line forward.

While both teams may be happy, are you really going to tell me that pre-trade, if there was a Hall for a D thread on this site...that everyone would have said Larrson was an even trade?

 

[Liferleafer]

You should worry more about Carrick though... Not an NHL D.

We can trade Olofsson to TOR if you want an upgrade. (edit: and this is my 100% honest zero sarcasm statement. Olofsson > Carrick based on yesterday)

This may be true, but nobody is valuing Carrick like they are Dumba on here.

 

[gwh]

This may be true, but nobody is valuing Carrick like they are Dumba on here.

Get Davidson from EDM. He is solid and now somehow an additional part.

 

[AOSC]

While both teams may be happy, are you really going to tell me that pre-trade, if there was a Hall for a D thread on this site...that everyone would have said Larrson was an even trade?

This is kind of our point though. Leaf fans think that our Defenseman won't get a good return like Nylander. The Wild won't really accept anything less.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

Hate to do this but Nylander straight up. We have a glut of RW with similar up side and while he could be our second line centre we already have that in Kadri. As Nylander is still on his ELC, maybe a slight add on Minny part. I know you said one for one but just saying.

Question is how is his hockey IQ and Defence if he is already top 4 with the chance top be maybe a #2 then its a pretty fair trade.

nope. Nylander isn't going anywhere.

 

[Liferleafer]

Get Davidson from EDM. He is solid and now somehow an additional part.

As i said before, i would prefer a more established D man. Doesn't need to be a 22-25 year old stud, just someone to lend some stability to our D...and hopefully replace Hunwick/Polak/Marincin. I don't see the Leafs offering up any of Nylander/Marner/Matthews/1st for help. I think they will be looking to upgrade via offseason UFA signings, or trades for vet D help. The expansion draft may offer some opportunities for help...or, the trade deadline in which contenders may be looking to add a JVR/Bozak type player for a playoff run.

 

[Liferleafer]

This is kind of our point though. Leaf fans think that our Defenseman won't get a good return like Nylander. The Wild won't really accept anything less.

Not true. You may get a Nylander valued return, you just won't get it from Toronto. Not because the value is wrong, but because the situation is wrong for Toronto.

 

[57special]

While both teams may be happy, are you really going to tell me that pre-trade, if there was a Hall for a D thread on this site...that everyone would have said Larrson was an even trade?

Anyone who knows what is needed to have a successful playoff run knew that EDM desperately needed at least one solid Defenseman. If Hall was the price, then so be it.

I would argue that the Leafs need EXACTLY the same thing. Reilly is good. I like Zaitsev, so far. Gardiner is good for offense. They need a legit Dman....one who can play D.

The days when an all offense team can win a Cup are long gone. You need at least a very good goalie, and a very good D( though that can be a team that plays great team D, rather than great Dmen).

I'm not saying that the Leafs should trade Nylander, unless they can do it for some Dman who is a no brainer. I think they should trade him for a Trouba, for instance, and for a Lindholm( who is having an uncharacteristically bad year so far, possibly making him available when he might not otherwise be). They would have to add in both cases, but Nylander can be the main piece. Otherwise, they might just have to wait, and hope that a draft choice develops into a really good Dman. No one is going to trade the aformentioned Dmen for bits and pieces, unless there is a weird situation like what happened with Trouba earlier this year, Hamonic the year before, and Johansen( though he netted back a very good young Dman).

It's hard to say how good Nylander is going to be, but it seems clear that he would be traded before Mathews( duh), and Marner, who is terrific.