Proposal: ''You do trades when you're winning''- Marc Bergevin

[FreshSeabass]

In what fantasy land are you living in that you dont think the Canes would trade TT for Pacioretty straight up lol.

I'm a canes fan and i 120% wouldn't trade TT for Pacioretty. Again since it has to repeated a million times that doesn't mean Pacioretty is less valuable than TT or does not have significant value. It just doesn't have value to the canes to make that trade at this point in time.

And personally there is a decent sized list of left wingers i'd go after before Pacioretty, but that is just my opinion.

 

[GoldiFox]

I'd trade TT + a good future piece (something like a 1st) for Pacioretty. Just not moving Slavin.

Not that Montreal would have interest in that deal as MP is much more valuable to a win-now team.

 

[Legend123]

To be fair, they are 11-0-1 with Price in net, and 3-3-1 with Montoya in net (with an easy schedule in CAR, NYI, BUF, OTT, CBJ, CHI, PIT).

This isn't a first overall team without Price. They might not even be a playoff team without him, as we learned last season.

last season we learnt a half full ahl team can not compete in the NHL even with the help of some nhl players. This season, the habs are dominating with Price and doing ok with Montoya. Other than CBJ, the habs were in all of those games. Pretty tight games. Yeah they didnt play too good for Chi but they also dominated the Canes and still lost. In fact, with Montoya in net, the habs were the better team for 4 of those 7 games. Thats how u want to play with ur back up. Win half the games, lose the other half.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

In what fantasy land are you living in that you dont think the Canes would trade TT for Pacioretty straight up lol.

The apparant disability of people to not read 6 pages of discussion before responding to a point in the first page (lest they learn the point was already covered) is getting annoying.

 

[Legend123]

The apparant disability of people to not read 6 pages of discussion before responding to a point in the first page (lest they learn the point was already covered) is getting annoying.

homerism is also really annoying^^

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

homerism is also really annoying^^

Tell me about it.

 

[Nithoniniel]

All I can say is that through 7 pages, there has been several posters who have made very informative posts about why Slavin is as good as they say, while the naysayers have barely mustered an argument beyond "I disagree", or more commonly "LOL".

 

[Stickpucker]

To be fair, they are 11-0-1 with Price in net, and 3-3-1 with Montoya in net (with an easy schedule in CAR, NYI, BUF, OTT, CBJ, CHI, PIT).

This isn't a first overall team without Price. They might not even be a playoff team without him, as we learned last season.

Pretty much...I guess some people didn't learn from 2015

 

[jfhabs]

Pretty much...I guess some people didn't learn from 2015

Most teams with a barely .900 save % goaltander don<t make the playoffs...

And Price is part of the team you know

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Most teams with a barely .900 save % goaltander don<t make the playoffs...

And Price is part of the team you know

Yea, you are making my point. The habs aren't first place because they have a loaded roster and all their players are awesome. They are first place because they have Carey Price.

 

[Ole Gil]

Slavin has 25 points in his first 80 NHL games with very little PP time and you are labeling that his peak? Faulk paced about the same ~25 points in his first full year.

Obviously Faulk has a much better shot and has been a force on the PP. I think it's unfair to say that Slavin couldn't be a 35-40 point guy with the same amount of PP time. Fortunately the Canes don't need to force him in that role as they have Faulk and Hanifin, allowing Slavin to shut down the opponents best players. A role he has more than excelled at.

Slavin has great hands, but he doesn't have anywhere near the shot (wrist or slap) that Faulk has. Probably why he isn't getting the PP time. That's just not his game.

 

[jacks*]

I'm a canes fan and i 120% wouldn't trade TT for Pacioretty. Again since it has to repeated a million times that doesn't mean Pacioretty is less valuable than TT or does not have significant value. It just doesn't have value to the canes to make that trade at this point in time.

And personally there is a decent sized list of left wingers i'd go after before Pacioretty, but that is just my opinion.

Well the good thing is the Habs would never trade Patches for TT. If given the choice between the two i would say that every GM in the league would take Patches over TT especially Francis if he could nab him straight up for TT.

 

[MrNasty]

Yea, you are making my point. The habs aren't first place because they have a loaded roster and all their players are awesome. They are first place because they have Carey Price.

Carey Price is part of the roster just the same as a Patrick Kane, Sidney Crosby or Connor McDavid are. Montreal is a good team.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Carey Price is part of the roster just the same as a Patrick Kane, Sidney Crosby or Connor McDavid are. Montreal is a good team.

We saw what happened last year without Price, and they have been mediocre this year when he's not starting.

Montreal is an average team with a superstar goaltender.

 

[jacks*]

We saw what happened last year without Price, and they have been mediocre this year when he's not starting.

Montreal is an average team with a superstar goaltender.

Caps are a average team with a superstar forward.
Pens are a average team with a superstar forward.
Oilers are below an average without their superstar forward.
Devils even with their best players are a playoff bubble team.

 

[KingTux]

This thread delivers

Why would Montreal trade Pac anyways. We're winning right now for once.

 

[MrNasty]

We saw what happened last year without Price, and they have been mediocre this year when he's not starting.

Montreal is an average team with a superstar goaltender.

Thank God Carey Price also scores goals. They have more goals than 26 other teams....pretty amazing for a mediocre team.

 

[Stickpucker]

Caps are a average team with a superstar forward.
Pens are a average team with a superstar forward.
Oilers are below an average without their superstar forward.
Devils even with their best players are a playoff bubble team.

Caps are a average team with a superstar forward(s) and Vezina quality goaltender.
Pens are a average team with a superstar forward(s).

ftfy.

 

[mariolemieux66]

If Montreal wants to win within the next 2 years they dont touch those trades.

 

[Legend123]

Caps are a average team with a superstar forward(s) and Vezina quality goaltender.
Pens are a average team with a superstar forward(s).

ftfy.

Habs are average team with a easy win vezina trophy goalie and a norris D.
Meanwhile, what are the Wild without Miracle Dubnyk?? Prob a bottom 5 team, eh?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Thank God Carey Price also scores goals. They have more goals than 26 other teams....pretty amazing for a mediocre team.

Not really. They are shooting at an unsustainable 11.1%.

I'd bet they aren't top 10 by the end of the season.

 

[TT1]

Not really. They are shooting at an unsustainable 11.1%.

I'd bet they aren't top 10 by the end of the season.

"Unsustainable" lol, thats 1% better than the usual top teams in the NHL. Best teams in the league usually average around 10% to 9.80%.

You talk as if we're 10% above it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

"Unsustainable" lol, thats 1% better than the usual top teams in the NHL. Best teams in the league usually average around 10% to 9.80%.

You talk as if we're 10% above it.

You are shooting at ~12% higher than the best teams though. That means, assuming Montreal will have among the best shooting percentage, that they are still due for a 12% reduction in goals. Fact of the matter is that they are 7th worst in shots per game. You can try to paint them as a top offensive team, but by years end it's more likely they'll be outside of the top 10 in goals.

 

[Viqsi]

Well the good thing is the Habs would never trade Patches for TT. If given the choice between the two i would say that every GM in the league would take Patches over TT especially Francis if he could nab him straight up for TT.

Contract and RFA situations - and how close a team is to competing - dictate otherwise. MaxPac is unquestionably the better player, but unless you expect to win within the two years you're guaranteed to have him at an affordable rate, it makes much more sense to build with the young cost-controlled rights-controlled guy you have.

 

[Stickpucker]

Habs are average team with a easy win vezina trophy goalie and a norris D.
Meanwhile, what are the Wild without Miracle Dubnyk?? Prob a bottom 5 team, eh?

No the Wold have a better D than mtl