Proposal: ''You do trades when you're winning''- Marc Bergevin

[Hawksfan2828]

He once said something similar to that,

How about



Max Pacioretty



Jaccob Slavin
Teuvo Teravainen

AND




Nathan Beaulieu



Marko Dano


1st trade : Canes are deep on the backend and Max would bring a much needed offensive support for them. Teravainen could partly replace the OFF that Habs lose. They get a competent #3 now (in my eyes, with a #2 potentiel) in Slavin.

2nd trade is, again, a trade based on position strength for Winnipeg (plenty of quality wingers). They could use Beaulieu and push Enstrom on the 3rd pair. Mtl could add some OFF punch (with TT) to replace Pacioretty.


Teravainen-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Dano-Plekanec-Gallagher
Lekhonen-Danault-Shaw
DD-Mitchell-Byron

Slavin-Weber
Markov-Petry
Emelin-Pateryn

No you don't make trades when you're "winning"....... You make trades to fill needs and perhaps stack up at the deadline.

I don't care how much experience Marc has but I can assure you he's off his rocker if he said that.

Look, when you're winning - that means the team you have works and you don't fix what isn't broken.

Obviously minor depth trades are a different story or picking guys up off of waivers or something.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Well the good thing is the Habs would never trade Patches for TT. If given the choice between the two i would say that every GM in the league would take Patches over TT especially Francis if he could nab him straight up for TT.

Obviously, you didn't read what I posted.
1. Canes aren't interested in patches. especially not at the cost of slavin and/or TT. So, therefore I couldn't care less who the habs would trade him for.
2. Once again I said that this doesn't have any value to the CANES so why would I care what every other GM in the league would do. That's their prerogative it doesn't affect the CANES in any way, shape, or form. To other teams in the league a trade for Patches may make sense.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I wouldn't trade your car for our frying pan because we need to cook every day and if we trade our frying pan away we wont' have anything to cook with and we already have two cars.

If a deal is presented with as lopsided value as a TT for Pacioretty, you make the trade, then you can trade Pacioretty to replace TT and then some.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Slavin is the single most untouchable piece on the Canes. 2.5 years of Paccioretty doesn't do a lot for the rebuilding Canes. Wouldn't deal Slavin straight across for Paccioretty, let alone add TT.

I would agree. This isn't a great deal for the Canes. They are probably best to keep going with the rebuild.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

What an over-reaction. Get over yourself pal, Carolina would jump on this. Who do you think Pacioretty is? Slavin is a good young top-4 D but Pacioretty is a top 10 goal-scorer on the right side of 30yo. Your evaluation is really surprising. Its not funny how HF overrates young players.

In the real world, Habs ask for Julien Gauthier on top of Slavin for their 4.5M$, 30 goal scoring, two-way winger or they hang up. Period. MP would automatically be Canes best forward while Slavin would be our 4th best D. Think about it for a second.

I perfectly understand why the Canes wouldnt do it but absolute value favors them in this proposal.

Slavin is the more valuable asset. He is a top pairing defenseman already. He's got legit Norris potential. He would be your 2nd best defenseman at the very least.

People need to start watching this kid play before adding him into trade proposals. This is awful for Carolina

Lots of fans only watch "their team", so this kind of thing happens.

 

[HabsQC]

I think he meant "You make a trade when you're winning the trade"

 

[Slashers98]

The Habs have lost 4 of 5 now, so Bergevin's trade window has closed now!

 

[Viqsi]

I wouldn't trade your car for our frying pan because we need to cook every day and if we trade our frying pan away we wont' have anything to cook with and we already have two cars.

The difference doesn't even approximate being that dramatic. Think more "high-cost high-maintenance sports car versus low-cost reliable dirt bike." The former is unquestionably faster, flashier, and better at its job, but you'll be spending more time on it and it won't last as long as the bike you've already got and it won't take you to all the same places, so why bother?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

op is horiawful for carolina

i am triggered

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Habs lost last night. No trades today!

 

[Souffle]

In this thread: A lot of people who have never seen Slavin play more than 1-2 games if at all. The guy has a strong following of hardcore hockey fans who aren't Canes fans. He is a gem.

I don't think Slavin is more valuable than MP to the league right now, but to the Canes he certainly is. Of all the teams in the NHL the Canes would be one of the least interested in Pacioretty. He doesn't fit their core or window. It would be a 2.5 year bandaid at the expense of their best Dman.

Makes sense.

Too often these threads go on way past their usefulness. They degenerate into verbal slap fights about homerism and who is a truer hockey fan because they've watched more of a player.

I can see why Carolina wouldn't make this deal. Pacioretty's greatest value is probably to a contending team looking for scoring on the wing (like Montreal, actually). His 4.5m cap hit makes him a possibility even for cap strapped teams, as most contenders are.

As a Montreal follower, however, I don't know who would be realistically available in a trade that would help the team more than it would to keep him. With no Pacioretty, Montreal's best LW is Byron or Lehkonen or Carr, or a player already in the lineup who gets shifted to LW. That's pretty bad, and it's not like there is a potential superstar LW in the AHL or juniors.

I don't really get all of these Pacioretty proposals. If Montreal could convert him into a top 6-ish LW and a top 4-ish LD, then okay, maybe worth considering. So I get the hopefulness of the original trade proposal. I just doubt that such a deal is possible.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

Before we trade any players, the moron behind the bench gets the heave ho.

 

[Puck Handler]

What do you think about this one?

To MTL:
Tobias Enstrom
Marko Dano

To WPG:
Tomas Plekanec
Nathan Beaulieu
4th round pick 2018

I think it's a good deal for both team!

 

[Frank Drebin]

The difference doesn't even approximate being that dramatic. Think more "high-cost high-maintenance sports car versus low-cost reliable dirt bike." The former is unquestionably faster, flashier, and better at its job, but you'll be spending more time on it and it won't last as long as the bike you've already got and it won't take you to all the same places, so why bother?

I'm just saying if you have a deal on the table where the value is that lopsided, you put the team vision or what have you aside and make the trade, then flip the asset.

If Pax was on a rebuilding team, he would return more value than TT. You trade the dirtbike for the sports car, then sell the sports car and buy 3 better dirt bikes.

Its all moot, but come on guys.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I'm just saying if you have a deal on the table where the value is that lopsided, you put the team vision or what have you aside and make the trade, then flip the asset.

If Pax was on a rebuilding team, he would return more value than TT. You trade the dirtbike for the sports car, then sell the sports car and buy 3 better dirt bikes.

Its all moot, but come on guys.

i was not aware that a 2007 kia sorento qualified as a sports car

 

[Hunter368]

What do you think about this one?

To MTL:
Tobias Enstrom
Marko Dano

To WPG:
Tomas Plekanec
Nathan Beaulieu
4th round pick 2018

I think it's a good deal for both team!

Why would the Jets want to do this???

 

[Number 57]

I would do both of these trades. Can't stand Patch. Slavinn steps in for Beaulieu and next season we add Sergachev. So D is fine.

Up front Teravainen / Dano fill in the hole left by Pacioretty, which shouldnt be too hard to do.

Weber gets the C

We also get younger and clear cap space

YES PLEASE!

 

[Viqsi]

I'm just saying if you have a deal on the table where the value is that lopsided, you put the team vision or what have you aside and make the trade, then flip the asset.

If Pax was on a rebuilding team, he would return more value than TT. You trade the dirtbike for the sports car, then sell the sports car and buy 3 better dirt bikes.

Its all moot, but come on guys.

The problem, though, is that we're in a market that only allows for barter. You can't get "cash value" for anything. So you need someone with those three better dirt bikes who's willing to give them up. That means that "flip 'em for what you want" is... well, while not impossible, it makes a trade that much harder to pull off if that's your objective. It sure as hell doesn't make for a general excuse for going for lopsided trades that run extremely counter to team needs - because folks will notice that that didn't meet your needs, recognize that you're about to sell, and offer you pennies on the dollar for your followup. After all, they have no overriding reason to cooperate; they're trying to maximize their profit as well. That's just how it goes when you've got a limited market with limited means of exchange.