Buium's 6 feet. His height isn't going to be an impediment to becoming a great player and if you're worrying about the weight and strength of an 18 year old then you're worrying about the wrong things.
Yakemchuk / Parekh / Silayev / Dickinson / Buium
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Buium's 6 feet. His height isn't going to be an impediment to becoming a great player and if you're worrying about the weight and strength of an 18 year old then you're worrying about the wrong things.
MuckOG
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It's true that RHD carry a premium, but the Wild kinda had a need for a LHD in that spot so many of us were pretty happy that he was there for the taking.
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What on earth has Silayev done to make you think he's a 50 point guy? I was huge on this guy going into the draft and I'm still big on him, but that's a massive big stretch.
And as you eluded to, there is zero chance he ever gets the opportunity to put up 50 with a team like New Jersey where his teammates are Hamilton, Luke Hughes, and Nemec.
Wierzbowski426
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I'd ask you all to wager avatars but as we are going to have to wait for silayev's entire career to playout it's futile.
I think theres a pretty good shot he has a season or 2 with possibly even 36 points.
I think theres a pretty good shot he has a season or 2 with possibly even 36 points.
I dunno, he is 6'7 maybe he will develop a Chara like slapshot? The physics are there.
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I was super hopeful that Silayev would develop into a Hedman/Chara profile but after his torrid start, it became clear that the points were a fluke. The entire last 2/3 of season he was a 5/6 D with a whole lot of 0/0/0 stat lines (like, not even 1 SOG). And watching him towards the end of the season in the KHL and then MHL, there weren't even flashes of offensive capability. He's very tall and he skates well and he's a great fit for NJD, but IMHO people need to put to bed the dreams that he's going to put up 40 points regularly. Sure, anything is possible, but I agree with the NJD fans who are saying Parayko would be an amazing outcome (it would - look at what that would do for a very promising NJD team with defensive questions).
I think he can show some interesting things activating off puck at times but with the puck in the OZ 9 times out of 10 he’s just throwing it on net as soon as he gets it. That’s all perfectly fine for Silayev because it’s not what you pick him for. The guy was picked because he’s huge as well as being a great skater and not just a “good for his size” but actually a high end skater regardless of size. Those things allow him to be a defensive monster which he really is already as a 17/18 year old in the KHL. If you wanted another offensive force you pick Buium there and if you wanted more of a two way guy you pick Dickinson.
I’m generally against picking for “need” or “fit” but this was a unique scenario where you have 3 high end 20 year old offensive D already. He’s exactly what’s needed long term and the perfect fit. If that offense ever comes then he’s a superduperstar but it’s not a necessity for the pick to work out or should it be something you expect out of Silayev.
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You don’t need all your defencemen to put up points.
In fact, in a cap world, it can be unproductive.
A guy like Artem Zub is affordable because he plays solid defence without putting up a ton of points.
If you already have offensive defence skill sets on the roster, pairing him with those kinds of guys can work out well for everyone.
Ya not sure why people are expecting Silayev to put up a bunch of points. That's not why you draft a giant.
You can find a PP QB easy enough, lot harder to find someone that can shut shit down.
You can find a PP QB easy enough, lot harder to find someone that can shut shit down.
Wierzbowski426
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| 1996-97 | Prince George Cougars | WHL | 49 | 3 | 19 | 22 | 120 | 15 | 1 | 7 | 8 | 45 | |
| 1997-98 | Kentucky Thoroughblades | AHL | 48 | 4 | 9 | 13 | 125 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 |
| 1997-98 | New York Islanders | NHL | 25 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 50 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 1998-99 | Lowell Lock Monsters | AHL | 23 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 47 | 5 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 1998-99 | New York Islanders | NHL | 59 | 2 | 6 | 8 | 83 | -8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 1999-00 | New York Islanders | NHL | 65 | 2 | 9 | 11 | 57 | -27 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2000-01 | New York Islanders | NHL | 82 | 2 | 7 | 9 | 157 | -27 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- |
| 2001-02 | Ottawa Senators | NHL | 75 | 10 | 13 | 23 | 156 | 30 | 10 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 12 |
Pretty sure you guys would be saying the same shit about this guy.
Wierzbowski426
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I think he can put up more than 35 points a few times in his career if things work out right. Is that a lot?
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Just because Zdeno Chara existed doesn't mean every 6'7" defenseman is going to become Zdeno Chara. Surely you can accept that.
Wierzbowski426
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Not sure how old you are but I heard almost the exact same things being said about Chara as are being said about Silayev here. He's got the frame to develop a booming shot which is what helped Chara's totals pass the vaunted 35 points of Parayko.
Chara was a late bloomer. He could barely skate and had poorer balance until 2001. He always had a cannon of a shot, just coundnt use it due to slowness. Once he could balance better and was quicker and faster he could unleash his shot. Silayev is already a good skater, and has much more refinement than a young Chara. I don't see where the improvement could come from to become a scorer.
I bet he could be a monster to play against. An octopus that can skate. Upside to be better than Gudas.
Not if he's running a good pp but is there any chance of that?
Adam fox got 38 points even strength last year
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Let's say there are 10 6'7" players. One of them becomes Chara. All of them had the same thing said about them.
So... does the fact that Chara existed and had those things said about him, say anything at all about the other players?
This is basic stuff dude. Nobody's arguing Chara didn't exist, but you can't expect every prospect to become a hall of famer. It's a very uphill battle for Silayev.
Every single one of the top 6 D could hit their ceiling and be a hall of famer. Dickinson could be Pietrangelo, Buium could be Niedermayer, Silayev could be Chara, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. But it doesn't make you smart or amazing to point it out. It doesn't make the rest of us smart or amazing to point out the numbers against Silayev, either, but it does make you look a bit too hopeful and unrealistic to push back hard like you're doing. It is more likely than not that Silayev does NOT become Chara. This is not a debatable point, this is basic probabilities on prospects.
I do not see Silayev scoring a lot, perhaps maybe 10-15G. I do however think's hes in a prime spot to wrack up tons of assists. With so many fast speedy players on his team he will be using his long reach to take away pucks and then make a long pass to an open Hughes or Bratt.
15 goals without PP time would be insane production for a dman.
The only player to reach 15 goals EV was Weegar last year, who did it riding a shooting % double his career rate.
Silayev should not be projected at that, unless you expect him to at minimum QB our PP2 long term over casey/nemec.
bert
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Its actually a massive premium there really arent that many of them. Probably less than 50 legit top 4 RHD in the world. Its really wild when you start to take an in depth look at it.
Why didnt he go first overall if he is going to produce like that?
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some draft/prospect rankers asked the same thing. both Demidov and Silayev were seen as to have a small chance at going 1st OV. Demidov for his skill and Silayev because he's an athletic freak who barely brushed the surface of what he's capable of.
