Yakemchuk / Parekh / Silayev / Dickinson / Buium

[Hisch13r]

Buium will be a mystery for awhile, playing in college. Yakemchuk, Parekh, and Dickenson played NHL exhibition games. I assume Silayev and Levshunov will play NHL and/or AHL at some point this season, so we'll get a good look at them too against pros. And Silayev of course played KHL.

I liked Buium and what I read about pre-draft, although being a LHD, I wasn't nearly as interested as the RHD. His biggest obstacle to becoming a star 2-way defender could be that he's a little guy for a defenseman, although certainly not tiny. Although other smallish d-men have been outstanding players. Will he ever be strong enough to handle opponents in front of the net and along the boards?

Buium's 6 feet. His height isn't going to be an impediment to becoming a great player and if you're worrying about the weight and strength of an 18 year old then you're worrying about the wrong things.

 

[MuckOG]

I liked Buium and what I read about pre-draft, although being a LHD, I wasn't nearly as interested as the RHD.

It's true that RHD carry a premium, but the Wild kinda had a need for a LHD in that spot so many of us were pretty happy that he was there for the taking.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

i couldn't help but laugh out loud reading this. Sustr?

He's easily the best defender in the group, which is the most important aspect of being an NHL defenseman. His likelyhood of being a 1D is over 50% for me with his elite skating at 6'7". The lazy player comparison would be Chara but i'll go Hedman. Skating is even, defense is even or better (projected), offense is quite a bit behind. And he's easily more physical/nasty than Hedman.

I prefer a nasty 6'7" 230, 50 point shutdown elite defender over a 80+ point offense 6'0" defenseman any day of the week.

Silayev's only flaw is he was drafted by the Devils

What on earth has Silayev done to make you think he's a 50 point guy? I was huge on this guy going into the draft and I'm still big on him, but that's a massive big stretch.

And as you eluded to, there is zero chance he ever gets the opportunity to put up 50 with a team like New Jersey where his teammates are Hamilton, Luke Hughes, and Nemec.

 

[TBF1972]

Do you feel Silayav's CEILING is 35 points?

assuming he won't get pp time sounds optimistic

 

[Wierzbowski426]

I'd ask you all to wager avatars but as we are going to have to wait for silayev's entire career to playout it's futile.

I think theres a pretty good shot he has a season or 2 with possibly even 36 points.

What on earth has Silayev done to make you think he's a 50 point guy? I was huge on this guy going into the draft and I'm still big on him, but that's a massive big stretch.

And as you eluded to, there is zero chance he ever gets the opportunity to put up 50 with a team like New Jersey where his teammates are Hamilton, Luke Hughes, and Nemec.

I dunno, he is 6'7 maybe he will develop a Chara like slapshot? The physics are there.

 

[coooldude]

I was super hopeful that Silayev would develop into a Hedman/Chara profile but after his torrid start, it became clear that the points were a fluke. The entire last 2/3 of season he was a 5/6 D with a whole lot of 0/0/0 stat lines (like, not even 1 SOG). And watching him towards the end of the season in the KHL and then MHL, there weren't even flashes of offensive capability. He's very tall and he skates well and he's a great fit for NJD, but IMHO people need to put to bed the dreams that he's going to put up 40 points regularly. Sure, anything is possible, but I agree with the NJD fans who are saying Parayko would be an amazing outcome (it would - look at what that would do for a very promising NJD team with defensive questions).

 

[Hisch13r]

I was super hopeful that Silayev would develop into a Hedman/Chara profile but after his torrid start, it became clear that the points were a fluke. The entire last 2/3 of season he was a 5/6 D with a whole lot of 0/0/0 stat lines (like, not even 1 SOG). And watching him towards the end of the season in the KHL and then MHL, there weren't even flashes of offensive capability. He's very tall and he skates well and he's a great fit for NJD, but IMHO people need to put to bed the dreams that he's going to put up 40 points regularly. Sure, anything is possible, but I agree with the NJD fans who are saying Parayko would be an amazing outcome (it would - look at what that would do for a very promising NJD team with defensive questions).

I think he can show some interesting things activating off puck at times but with the puck in the OZ 9 times out of 10 he’s just throwing it on net as soon as he gets it. That’s all perfectly fine for Silayev because it’s not what you pick him for. The guy was picked because he’s huge as well as being a great skater and not just a “good for his size” but actually a high end skater regardless of size. Those things allow him to be a defensive monster which he really is already as a 17/18 year old in the KHL. If you wanted another offensive force you pick Buium there and if you wanted more of a two way guy you pick Dickinson.

I’m generally against picking for “need” or “fit” but this was a unique scenario where you have 3 high end 20 year old offensive D already. He’s exactly what’s needed long term and the perfect fit. If that offense ever comes then he’s a superduperstar but it’s not a necessity for the pick to work out or should it be something you expect out of Silayev.

 

[RickyLafleur]

I wanted Buium or Dickenson but Yakemchuk has very pleasantly surprised me this preseason.

 

[NyQuil]

I was super hopeful that Silayev would develop into a Hedman/Chara profile but after his torrid start, it became clear that the points were a fluke. The entire last 2/3 of season he was a 5/6 D with a whole lot of 0/0/0 stat lines (like, not even 1 SOG). And watching him towards the end of the season in the KHL and then MHL, there weren't even flashes of offensive capability. He's very tall and he skates well and he's a great fit for NJD, but IMHO people need to put to bed the dreams that he's going to put up 40 points regularly. Sure, anything is possible, but I agree with the NJD fans who are saying Parayko would be an amazing outcome (it would - look at what that would do for a very promising NJD team with defensive questions).

You don’t need all your defencemen to put up points.

In fact, in a cap world, it can be unproductive.

A guy like Artem Zub is affordable because he plays solid defence without putting up a ton of points.

If you already have offensive defence skill sets on the roster, pairing him with those kinds of guys can work out well for everyone.

 

[DJJones]

Ya not sure why people are expecting Silayev to put up a bunch of points. That's not why you draft a giant.

You can find a PP QB easy enough, lot harder to find someone that can shut shit down.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

1996-97	Prince George Cougars	WHL	49	3	19	22	120		15	1	7	8	45
1997-98	Kentucky Thoroughblades	AHL	48	4	9	13	125	0	1	0	0	0	4
1997-98	New York Islanders	NHL	25	0	1	1	50	1	--	--	--	--	--
1998-99	Lowell Lock Monsters	AHL	23	2	2	4	47	5	--	--	--	--	--
1998-99	New York Islanders	NHL	59	2	6	8	83	-8	--	--	--	--	--
1999-00	New York Islanders	NHL	65	2	9	11	57	-27	--	--	--	--	--
2000-01	New York Islanders	NHL	82	2	7	9	157	-27	--	--	--	--	--
2001-02	Ottawa Senators	NHL	75	10	13	23	156	30	10	0	1	1	12

Pretty sure you guys would be saying the same shit about this guy.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

Ya not sure why people are expecting Silayev to put up a bunch of points. That's not why you draft a giant.

You can find a PP QB easy enough, lot harder to find someone that can shut shit down.

I think he can put up more than 35 points a few times in his career if things work out right. Is that a lot?

 

[coooldude]

1996-97	Prince George Cougars	WHL	49	3	19	22	120		15	1	7	8	45
1997-98	Kentucky Thoroughblades	AHL	48	4	9	13	125	0	1	0	0	0	4
1997-98	New York Islanders	NHL	25	0	1	1	50	1	--	--	--	--	--
1998-99	Lowell Lock Monsters	AHL	23	2	2	4	47	5	--	--	--	--	--
1998-99	New York Islanders	NHL	59	2	6	8	83	-8	--	--	--	--	--
1999-00	New York Islanders	NHL	65	2	9	11	57	-27	--	--	--	--	--
2000-01	New York Islanders	NHL	82	2	7	9	157	-27	--	--	--	--	--
2001-02	Ottawa Senators	NHL	75	10	13	23	156	30	10	0	1	1	12

Pretty sure you guys would be saying the same shit about this guy.

Just because Zdeno Chara existed doesn't mean every 6'7" defenseman is going to become Zdeno Chara. Surely you can accept that.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

Just because Zdeno Chara existed doesn't mean every 6'7" defenseman is going to become Zdeno Chara. Surely you can accept that.

Not sure how old you are but I heard almost the exact same things being said about Chara as are being said about Silayev here. He's got the frame to develop a booming shot which is what helped Chara's totals pass the vaunted 35 points of Parayko.

 

[zenator]

1996-97	Prince George Cougars	WHL	49	3	19	22	120		15	1	7	8	45
1997-98	Kentucky Thoroughblades	AHL	48	4	9	13	125	0	1	0	0	0	4
1997-98	New York Islanders	NHL	25	0	1	1	50	1	--	--	--	--	--
1998-99	Lowell Lock Monsters	AHL	23	2	2	4	47	5	--	--	--	--	--
1998-99	New York Islanders	NHL	59	2	6	8	83	-8	--	--	--	--	--
1999-00	New York Islanders	NHL	65	2	9	11	57	-27	--	--	--	--	--
2000-01	New York Islanders	NHL	82	2	7	9	157	-27	--	--	--	--	--
2001-02	Ottawa Senators	NHL	75	10	13	23	156	30	10	0	1	1	12

Pretty sure you guys would be saying the same shit about this guy.

Chara was a late bloomer. He could barely skate and had poorer balance until 2001. He always had a cannon of a shot, just coundnt use it due to slowness. Once he could balance better and was quicker and faster he could unleash his shot. Silayev is already a good skater, and has much more refinement than a young Chara. I don't see where the improvement could come from to become a scorer.

I bet he could be a monster to play against. An octopus that can skate. Upside to be better than Gudas.

 

[DJJones]

I think he can put up more than 35 points a few times in his career if things work out right. Is that a lot?

Not if he's running a good pp but is there any chance of that?

Adam fox got 38 points even strength last year

 

[coooldude]

Not sure how old you are but I heard almost the exact same things being said about Chara as are being said about Silayev here. He's got the frame to develop a booming shot which is what helped Chara's totals pass the vaunted 35 points of Parayko.

Let's say there are 10 6'7" players. One of them becomes Chara. All of them had the same thing said about them.

So... does the fact that Chara existed and had those things said about him, say anything at all about the other players?

This is basic stuff dude. Nobody's arguing Chara didn't exist, but you can't expect every prospect to become a hall of famer. It's a very uphill battle for Silayev.

Every single one of the top 6 D could hit their ceiling and be a hall of famer. Dickinson could be Pietrangelo, Buium could be Niedermayer, Silayev could be Chara, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. But it doesn't make you smart or amazing to point it out. It doesn't make the rest of us smart or amazing to point out the numbers against Silayev, either, but it does make you look a bit too hopeful and unrealistic to push back hard like you're doing. It is more likely than not that Silayev does NOT become Chara. This is not a debatable point, this is basic probabilities on prospects.

 

[Xirik]

I do not see Silayev scoring a lot, perhaps maybe 10-15G. I do however think's hes in a prime spot to wrack up tons of assists. With so many fast speedy players on his team he will be using his long reach to take away pucks and then make a long pass to an open Hughes or Bratt.

 

[dgibb10]

I do not see Silayev scoring a lot. perhaps maybe 10-15G. I do however think's hes in a prime spot to wrack up tons of assists. With so many fast speedy players on his team he will be using his long reach to take away pucks and then make a long pass to an open Hughes or Bratt.

15 goals without PP time would be insane production for a dman.

The only player to reach 15 goals EV was Weegar last year, who did it riding a shooting % double his career rate.

Silayev should not be projected at that, unless you expect him to at minimum QB our PP2 long term over casey/nemec.

 

[Hisch13r]

I do not see Silayev scoring a lot, perhaps maybe 10-15G. I do however think's hes in a prime spot to wrack up tons of assists. With so many fast speedy players on his team he will be using his long reach to take away pucks and then make a long pass to an open Hughes or Bratt.

10-15 goals is a ton for a D

 

[bert]

It's true that RHD carry a premium, but the Wild kinda had a need for a LHD in that spot so many of us were pretty happy that he was there for the taking.

Its actually a massive premium there really arent that many of them. Probably less than 50 legit top 4 RHD in the world. Its really wild when you start to take an in depth look at it.

I do not see Silayev scoring a lot, perhaps maybe 10-15G. I do however think's hes in a prime spot to wrack up tons of assists. With so many fast speedy players on his team he will be using his long reach to take away pucks and then make a long pass to an open Hughes or Bratt.

Why didnt he go first overall if he is going to produce like that?

 

[Golden_Jet]

I do not see Silayev scoring a lot, perhaps maybe 10-15G. I do however think's hes in a prime spot to wrack up tons of assists. With so many fast speedy players on his team he will be using his long reach to take away pucks and then make a long pass to an open Hughes or Bratt.

I would say single digit goals.

 

[HabzSauce]

Honestly I like all these guys a lot but I think my fav so far has to be YAK. I am so jealous lol

 

[Xirik]

Its actually a massive premium there really arent that many of them. Probably less than 50 legit top 4 RHD in the world. Its really wild when you start to take an in depth look at it.


Why didnt he go first overall if he is going to produce like that?

some draft/prospect rankers asked the same thing. both Demidov and Silayev were seen as to have a small chance at going 1st OV. Demidov for his skill and Silayev because he's an athletic freak who barely brushed the surface of what he's capable of.