Confirmed Trade: [WSH/LAK] Pierre-Luc Dubois for Darcy Kuemper (no salary retained)

[kingsholygrail]

Dubois was a point/game player with Connor on the Jets. Why can't he be that again with Ovi?

I don't think there is any "obvious" narrative we can predict on this. What I do know today is the internet hate bandwagon towards Dubois was shocked today. Imagine

Do you think that was because of Connor or Dubois? They played him on every line on the Kings.

Kings will be paying a backup goaltender 5.5 million for 3 more years… I’m eagerly bookmarking this thread.


There’s a good chance neither team wins this, I sincerely doubt a scenario where a 34 year old goalie who has lost his stuff emerges as worth 5.5 million in the next three years.


But yes, Caps fleeced or whatever for paying 3 million more for a guy a decade younger who plays every night.

No Kings fan thinks Kuemper is some kind of savior. But 3yrs/5mil is much better than 7yrs/8.5mil in this case. Kuemper has also played with the Kings before.

 

[Misery74]

I think you're severely underestimating just how unbelievably cancerous PLD can be.

Remember how the Jackets had that four-year run with Tortorella? Remember how it ended?

I’m not suggesting this player doesn’t have baggage. But we traded an awful goalie, with an awful contract.

LA cannot be suggesting Darcy Kuemper will be their number one?

 

[pld459666]

I thought the Kings were dedicated to helping turn Dubois around??

Good for them in recognizing an error and fixing it.

 

[Carlzner]

He was pretty visibly frustrated with Sprong, but Sprong has since spoken very highly of him and his mentorship.


He was also pretty tough on Samsonov, but that was clearly after numerous attempts of being nice failed.

I felt both of those situation were moreso in a big brother kind of way. I'm sure him & Sammy still get along, they were part of the same Russian social circle for like 5 years. (+ their significant others)

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

They have more than you'd think because Backstrom and Oshie are both LTIRetired.

Also subtract Kuempers deal. This dude must’ve literally looked at this like a free agent signing with 0 LTIR stuff

 

[chauron]

Nope, NTC kicks in July 1st.

It’d be so weird if WSH would be in his list of teams he doesn’t want to play in

 

[McShogun99]

Huge win for LA. He was absolute dead weight for them in the playoffs

 

[Hobnobs]

The only thing Washington pushed to the middle of the table is an unplayable Darcy Kuemper.

LA pushed all in and lost.

No matter how terrible you think Kuemper is/was, PLD is much worse and on much worse contract.

 

[Miller Time]

Why would the Caps do this?

Pretty thin cupboard of prospect talent, aging veteran roster, no #1C in either pool of assets... gambling on PLD figuring it out with them makes sense.

The possibility of helping Ovie keep chasing the goal record probably helped sell ownership on the $ cost.

Doubt it works out well for them on the ice...looks to be a long painful rebuild as the wheels fully come off.

 

[Misery74]

Huge win for LA. He was absolute dead weight for them in the playoffs

lol. Good luck making the playoffs with Darcy Kuemper. He literally didn’t play for the Caps after the all star break. He was that bad.

 

[Double Dion]

Wow, I never thought a team would let LA off the hook like that. Great work by LA here. Washington is trying to hold on, but it's a fools errand.

 

[Viqsi]

The Caps have had a notoriously strong locker room for over a decade now. It's not just going away even once Ovechkin retires... it's still a gamble, but it's not like the guy killed somebody.

We had a similarly rock-solid group with Foligno and Atkinson and Savard and Dubinsky and Jenner, with Jones and Werenski coming along. It didn't matter.

I really am wishing it works out for y'all, if only for the potential to piss off the Pens as they also fade. But we've seen this movie over here and we know how it's ended every time so far.

 

[Osprey]

Blake better not have made this trade just to use the extra cap on Roy and either force him to the left side or block one of Clarke and Spence yet again.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

This trade is win/win because it leverages the different circumstances of both teams.

For the Capitals, this is more like signing Dubois to a 3 year 3.25M AAV contract. That is because their window to compete is closing. Ovechkin will only play a few more years. They don't have a deep prospect pool or players in the pipeline to keep things going after their core declines or retires. They will have to embark on a 5+ year rebuild. So if Dubois stinks for them, it will be irrelevant that he is signed long term at 8.5M.

Kuemper was a sunk cost at 5.25M for the next 3 years. So they effectively spent 3.25M to add Dubois to the final few seasons that they will have Ovechkin for. That's a worthy gamble to take. They were one of the few teams in the league who was in a position not to worry about the term of the Dubois contract.

The Kings on the flipside have a deep prospect pool and many good young players. They are just scratching the surface of what they can do. The term of the Dubois contract was going to be an albatross for them. Getting out of most of the contract is a huge positive.

There aren't many teams who could make this trade and not worry about the back half of the contract, but Washington was one of them.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Laughable how people here suddenly act that Iafallo and Kupari are world class players.

I am here regularly but they were labeled mid round pick and bust before this trade happened. People hate PLD this much, I guess.

Vilardi was the player that should never have been dealt.

 

[Carlzner]

For the Capitals, this is more like signing Dubois to a 3 year 3.25M AAV contract. That is because their window to compete is closing. Ovechkin will only play a few more years. They don't have a deep prospect pool or players in the pipeline to keep things going after their core declines or retires. They will have to embark on a 5+ year rebuild. So if Dubois stinks for them, it will be irrelevant that he is signed long term at 8.5M.

I agree with this overall, but I do think they have prospects with the potential to carry on as the next core. The problem is they're both wingers

 

[Misery74]

Pretty thin cupboard of prospect talent, aging veteran roster, no #1C in either pool of assets... gambling on PLD figuring it out with them makes sense.

The possibility of helping Ovie keep chasing the goal record probably helped sell ownership on the $ cost.

Doubt it works out well for them on the ice...looks to be a long painful rebuild as the wheels fully come off.

Washington has a solid prospect pool. Hendrix Lapierre has high ceiling. 1C may be pushing it. Getting younger, Ryan Leonard in the wings. Caps are in a pretty good spot as Backstrom LTIR for last rear of his deal.

This makes Washington better.

Darcy Kuemper was the worst player on the Caps

 

[Viqsi]

For the Capitals, this is more like signing Dubois to a 3 year 3.25M AAV contract. That is because their window to compete is closing. Ovechkin will only play a few more years. They don't have a deep prospect pool or players in the pipeline to keep things going after their core declines or retires. They will have to embark on a 5+ year rebuild. So if Dubois stinks for them, it will be irrelevant that he is signed long term at 8.5M.

It's not irrelevant because of the crippling effect PLD can have on team morale and prospect development. If we were talking about most guys who are actual professionals, your assessment would be more than fair. PLD has not been like most guys.

We were done with him over here after The Shift, and if anything he's gotten worse in his maturity since rather than better.

 

[Legion34]

Is it just me or is it very odd that so many trades are happening while the finals are also still happening?

They stretched it out. Teams need to plan

 

[RunItBackAgain]

The fact Washington didn't get any other assets back for taking that albatross contract on is a fail. Absolute robbery from LA here. Washington is clearly already done competing and PLD wont change that for the duration of his contract. This was a cap dump and Washington got nothing back except a smaller cap dump. Nothing but a straight L here.

 

[Carlzner]

It's not irrelevant because of the crippling effect PLD can have on team morale and prospect development. If we were talking about most guys who are actual professionals, your assessment would be more than fair. PLD has not been like most guys.

Crippling is just so harsh. Just because he didn't work out for you guys doesn't mean he completely cratered your franchise. Like I said, the Caps have a great locker room with foundations that vary in age range. One player is not going to tear that all down.

 

[Misery74]

Can an LA Kings fan tell me the organization’s plan for Kuemper? Honest question.

 

[Viqsi]

Crippling is just so harsh. Just because he didn't work out for you guys doesn't mean he completely cratered your franchise. Like I said, the Caps have a great locker room with foundations that vary in age range. One player is not going to tear that all down.

I feel like Ripley talking to Vasquez during the briefing. "I hope you're right. I really do."

 

[Frank Drebin]

He has been boo'd in all of Columbus, Winnipeg and Montreal. LA fans atleast on this board hate him so I expect some boos for him in LA. So 4.

Was wondering if you were including Montreal after I posted.
I personally don't care enough about the guy to boo him but the boos are certainly deserved

 

[CupofOil]

What the f***? Why WHY WHY is Washington taking that contract? The Keumper contract is far less egregious. What world am I living in?
Can someone take Nurse now please?