Confirmed Trade: [WPG/MTL] Sean Monahan for 2024 1st round pick and conditional 2027 3rd round pick (Mod warning OP)

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Holy, Montreal making out like bandits. This is some next-level found money for them. Is the market for centers that bad? Did Allvin set an explosive precedent with the Lindholm trade? Were there so many suitors that the price was driven that high? What the hell is going on with this deal????
Part of it is avoiding risk - if nothing changes over the next month, an equivalent center at the deadline might be even more expensive. Of course, teams might drop out of the race, and that would open up the market... but neither Montreal nor Winnipeg wanted to risk it, apparently. Montreal is happy with a 1st and Winnipeg is happy getting their man.

I strongly suspect Winnipeg is going to want to charm Monahan into signing a long-term deal, he was their target and they didn't want to miss their shot.
 
Not really that bad for Winnipeg. The 1st should be, should be, a late first. The likelihood that a player in the late first becomes a difference maker is well documented as being pretty low. However, they would be expected to be a contributor if they make it to the NHL. The disparity from the top 1/2 of round one to the entire rest of the draft is pretty dramatic. Not a perfect science but it seems common to indicate a contributing player needs 2-3 years to show they are a contributor and solid NHL player. You can roughly track that by looking at games played and draft position. If you go back to 2016 here's a rough breakdown:

2016 - (300 games played) - Total (YTD) = 21 players. 11 from the top 16 of the draft, remaining 10 from the rest of the draft (3 from the balance of the 1st round)

2017 (250 gp) - Total = 18, 8 (top 16 in draft), 10 from rest of draft (4 from bottom of 1st round)
2018 (200 gp) - Total = 16, 9 (top 16), 7 (balance, 4 from bottom of 1st)
2019 (150 gp) - Total = 12, 9 (top 16), 3 (balance, only 1 from bottom of 1st)
2020 (100 gp) - Total = 14, 9 (top 16), 5 (balance, 4 from bottom of 1st)

That's not to say there aren't others that play NHL games but this would seem to be a reasonable expectation for games played to at least be a regular contributor in the NHL. Late bloomers, non North American players will impact the timelines but most scouts will tell you it's reasonable to expect an NHL player to be playing within 3 years of their draft year and developed by 5 years post draft. All this to say, a bottom half 1st round pick is still a risk to even contribute at the NHL level. Worth the risk much more than after the 1st round, but still really need to be picking in the top half of the 1st to have a higher probability of success.

We see "1st round pick traded" and gasp. Unless it's the top of the 1st round, it's still a bit of a crap shoot. Again, better than a pick from any other round but not the Ooohs and Aaaahs we might build it up to be. It's a fair deal for both sides.
 
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Gf loves to overrate 1 round picks . The chances that the player the habs draft becomes as good as Monaghan is actually a lot lower than many of you think.
 
Condition on the 3rd is Jets winning the Cup, guess it's most likely just a 1st

Gf loves to overrate 1 round picks . The chances that the player the habs draft becomes as good as Monaghan is actually a lot lower than many of you think.
What about the chances Monahan helps Montreal make playoffs this year vs having an extra 1st in the offseason to trade and no Monahan b/c he left as an UFA.
 
Jets have 1st rounders stacked unlike cord wood for the next 5 years that will be breaking into league and getting a 2nd line center younger than schiefele is a bad thing for a late 1st. This place and the love for magic beans never disappoints.
 
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Yes I agree. Good return. My point is this has no effect on the jets going forward.

Yeah probably not. People are always shocked to see rentals go for first picks though.

And then the move is retroactively considered genius or bad based on results.

David Savard for a first? Tampa won the Cup, so at worst people shrug it off. Savard played 14 mins per game in the playoffs for Tampa.

But Chiarot playing a slightly bigger role with Florida (17 mins per game in playoffs) is considered an abominable mistake because Florida lost.

If the Jets somehow win the Cup and Monahan is part of that team (not injured), then this trade will be celebrated in a few months
 
Monahan makes the Jets a better team. Though i was hopeful it would only cost them Montreal's second to go back instead of our first anyone could see we needed help down the Centre, in the face-off dot and the powerplay which this guy brings.

Difference between the 2nd and 1st could be 10 spots so not that bad and the 3rd is if we win the cup which no one will care about the 1st and 3rd if that happens.

With what Lindholm brought in and the fact the Jets had to make a deal for a Centre this seems like a fair deal although always risky with these rentals.
 
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Part of it is avoiding risk - if nothing changes over the next month, an equivalent center at the deadline might be even more expensive. Of course, teams might drop out of the race, and that would open up the market... but neither Montreal nor Winnipeg wanted to risk it, apparently. Montreal is happy with a 1st and Winnipeg is happy getting their man.

I strongly suspect Winnipeg is going to want to charm Monahan into signing a long-term deal, he was their target and they didn't want to miss their shot.

By reports from Insiders, they widely said Lindholm was their guy, Nucks got him. Highly doubt the Jets are interested in a long term deal with Monahan, maybe 1-2 year deal, his injury risk is significant. Time will tell
 
I think the Jets over paid but once Lindholm was taken Mony was the 2nd best center available and you can't blame Chevy for swinging for the fences this year as the Jets are a contender but still have to get past a very good Avs team or an equally as good Stars team, in the playoffs.
 
Seems like an overpay for Monahan.
I feel he brought more value mentoring the rookies than whoever most probably won’t even sniff the nhl at like 26th over all (Win is 6oa right now). Hopefully he just signs again this summer with the Habs.
 
what Winnipeg fans need to know is Monahan is not going to put up a PPG but he will play honest hockey, win faceoff and put some points on the boards.

I know this is not a shiny acquisition but it is one that can make a difference between a game 7 win or loss in a playoff series. Depth is what makes you go far in the playoff. I hope he does well in Winnipeg, he deserves it
Yeah and with Monahans injuries, it’s truly is going to be the difference between a win or loss. Mark my words.
 
Monahan makes the Jets a better team. Though i was hopeful it would only cost them Montreal's second to go back instead of our first anyone could see we needed help down the Centre, in the face-off dot and the powerplay which this guy brings.

Difference between the 2nd and 1st could be 10 spots so not that bad and the 3rd is if we win the cup which no one will care about the 1st and 3rd if that happens.

With what Lindholm brought in and the fact the Jets had to make a deal for a Centre this seems like a fair deal although always risky with these rentals.

Agreed, the big risk has always been with Monahan is his health, time will tell if he can take the physical play of the playoffs, if he makes it to the playoffs. haha
 
By reports from Insiders, they widely said Lindholm was their guy, Nucks got him. Highly doubt the Jets are interested in a long term deal with Monahan, maybe 1-2 year deal, his injury risk is significant. Time will tell
If he makes it through the playoffs without significant injury, I think he'll be in line for a significant contract....
 
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As long as he stays healthy believe Jets fans will warm to this guy. He's not what he once was but he is still a smart offensive player who goes to the net and wins draws. Strength down centre is valuable in the playoffs.
 
Agreed, the big risk has always been with Monahan is his health, time will tell if he can take the physical play of the playoffs, if he makes it to the playoffs. haha
Unless the Jets free fall like the Kings, they won’t be missing the playoffs.
 
Wow, Montreal‘s management team keeps hitting it out of the park! Pretty soon the other teams are gonna stop taking the Habs calls, lol.
cheers

Theyre doing it wisely too. They could have grabbed a bunch of players for cap, but Monahan played a position of need and was put in a position to succeed, didnt block any young players, etc.

And it worked out for Monahan and Habs. He gets a 2nd life to his career going to a solid team like the Jets. From the Jets pov, probably not a ton of centers available that cheap
 
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Yea, thats a winning concept. Lets demote the better ES scorers for a PP specialist.

Put the PP specialist with better linemates than his habitual Pearson, Gallagher, Anderson, etc.. and he'll produce 5 on 5.

Don't worry, when you'll see him play, you'll understand.

Monny is exactly the kind of veteran you want for the playoffs: good attitude, good leadership skills, smart player who play the game the right way.

He's no ballerina dancer, but he gets the job done.

Good trade for both teams according to their respective situations..

Plus Winnipeg did good at the draft lately, with Barlow, McGroarty, Lambert and Perfetti.

Even Lucius, Salomonsson and Chibrikov are good prospects.

And they have MTL's 2nd.

So they had the luxury to spend their 2024 1st pick for immediate playoff success.
 
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at first glance this looks like a panic overpay, but i wonder if the jets were more boxed in on options than might appear due to ntc clauses on other centres blocking trades to the jets.

lindholm didn't have one and neither did monahan but i am not sure who else might have worked for them who does not have one. henrique has one. i highly doubt giroux waives to go to the jets for next year. i would think hayes is a mutual no thanks. trying to get ryan johansson from a division rival would be an automatic overpay. maybe granlund, but i'd prefer monahan's defence.
 
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