Wow the playoffs are intense. Can we compete

[Marshy]

Show of hands...who's cranky there's no Leafs playoff hockey too many nights in a row?

 

[al secord]

HFLeafs: "Intensity? Compete level?"

Pierre Engvall: "Hold my Norrlands Guld..."

 

[al secord]

Show of hands...who's cranky there's no Leafs playoff hockey too many nights in a row?

 

[saltming]

This is not true at all.

Really?
They played like Jr's then played like pros under Babcock. Seems black and white that a coach coached them.

 

[saltming]

you think very poorly of three elite young talents who were instantly amazing players the moment they stepped on nhl ice, without any influence from babcock at all.

and come on - you can't possibly think a handful of vezina votes in one season 4 years ago is good evidence supporting the leafs nation belief that Andersen was an elite goalie for us up until only very recently.

It sounds like you think little of them. I thought they were amazing the moment they stepped on the ice while playing for Babcock. I thought they played even better in a system that played to their strengths.

As for Andersen, my feelings of him is based on his play at the time. He was also in the conversations by analysts and pundits every other year until his decline.
I have no issue with the way you feel about Andersen, so let's remember this debate is about you saying Freddie was never a good goalie and using the logic that since he isn't now he wasn't then

 

[Gary Nylund]

Show of hands...who's cranky there's no Leafs playoff hockey too many nights in a row?

Why don't you take that stupid f***ing question and shove it right up your ...

JK

It sounds like you think little of them. I thought they were amazing the moment they stepped on the ice while playing for Babcock. I thought they played even better in a system that played to their strengths.

As for Andersen, my feelings of him is based on his play at the time. He was also in the conversations by analysts and pundits every other year until his decline.
I have no issue with the way you feel about Andersen, so let's remember this debate is about you saying Freddie was never a good goalie and using the logic that since he isn't now he wasn't then

The word logic should be in quotes there IMHO.

 

[saltming]

Why don't you take that stupid f***ing question and shove it right up your ...

JK



The word logic should be in quotes there IMHO.

Take those quotes and shuve them up you...
Hahahahaha
It's interesting how some just shift their arguments to avoid the real point

 

[zeke]

It sounds like you think little of them. I thought they were amazing the moment they stepped on the ice while playing for Babcock. I thought they played even better in a system that played to their strengths.

Come again?

I think little of them because I thought they were elite the moment they stepped on the ice before Babcock had any impact on them whatsoever....and you think more of them because you think they needed Babcock to become good players, even though they were a instantly even better when he was canned?

I'm not following.

As for Andersen, my feelings of him is based on his play at the time. He was also in the conversations by analysts and pundits every other year until his decline.
I have no issue with the way you feel about Andersen, so let's remember this debate is about you saying Freddie was never a good goalie and using the logic that since he isn't now he wasn't then

I said that Andersen was a mediocre to slightly above average goalie for us those first few years while you all insisted he was elite, and is now a bad goalie.

And your evidence of a handful of vezina votes in that one season actually supports my position - most every average to slightly above average goalie has tallied a handful of vezina votes at some point. Heck, some have even won vezinas.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I said that Andersen was a mediocre to slightly above average goalie for us those first few years while you all insisted he was elite, and is now a bad goalie.

And your evidence of a handful of vezina votes in that one season actually supports my position - most every average to slightly above average goalie has tallied a handful of vezina votes at some point. Heck, some have even won vezinas.

You must really hate the guy, he was a helluva lot better than mediocre. Borderline top 10 is more like it.

Mediocre, sheesh.

 

[saltming]

Come again?

I think little of them because I thought they were elite the moment they stepped on the ice before Babcock had any impact on them whatsoever....and you think more of them because you think they needed Babcock to become good players, even though they were a instantly even better when he was canned?

I'm not following.[\QUOTE]

You said something along the lines that they became elite talents the moment they stepped on the ice without Babcock. That infers that you felt they weren't playing like elite talents with Babcock, I thought they were, so seems like I thought more highly of them than you as I thought even in a system that didn't complement their style of play and learning the structure of the pro game they were playing elite and you alluded that you did not think so

I said that Andersen was a mediocre to slightly above average goalie for us those first few years while you all insisted he was elite, and is now a bad goalie.

And your evidence of a handful of vezina votes in that one season actually supports my position - most every average to slightly above average goalie has tallied a handful of vezina votes at some point. Heck, some have even won vezinas.

I know you know there are only 31 votes for the vesina so getting any is a big thing as it's the GM's that do the voting so I don't see how most average goalies has tallied a handful of votes. 5 votes for the vesina is really good

 

[zeke]

You must really hate the guy, he was a helluva lot better than mediocre. Borderline top 10 is more like it.

Mediocre, sheesh.

When there's 30 starting goalies in the league....where does an "average to slightly above average" goalie end up ranking?

 

[X66]

Even that Tampa/Florida game, all I could think of is what the Leafs would do if they got to play a game that actually wanted to go toe-to-toe and punch for punch...there were chances out the ass that game.

Last 4 years we played 4 ELITE defensive teams that aren't in the business of playing like that.

 

[mrbagina]

Kapanen --> Foligno I will take Foligno in playoffs over Kap any day
Johnsson --> Thornton Again, Ill take vet leadership and big boy Joe
Clifford ----> Simmonds Hated Clifford, saw nothing from him
Gauthier --> Nash Not even close Nash in a heartbeat
Robertson -> Galchenyuk Even steven with Chuck slight slight edge for now

Barrie ------> Brodie Nope Brodie all day everyday (exactly what we needed
Ceci ---------> Bogo Nope Bogo over Ceci no brainer
Marincin --> Sandin WTF? No way no how

Andersen --> Campbell

Shakes head...yea thats a no no no no no

 

[Fogelhund]

Show of hands...who's cranky there's no Leafs playoff hockey too many nights in a row?

Reading through these posts, it seems like at least half of the posters. Let's get the games going, only two more days.

 

[Racer88]

I’m just glad we are back in the playoffs after missing last year.

 

[PromisedLand]

I wonder how Leafs would do in high intensity match ups like the 1st game of Tampa/Florida. That was perhaps the best 1st game in the 1st round in the recent memory

 

[PromisedLand]

Even that Tampa/Florida game, all I could think of is what the Leafs would do if they got to play a game that actually wanted to go toe-to-toe and punch for punch...there were chances out the ass that game.

Last 4 years we played 4 ELITE defensive teams that aren't in the business of playing like that.

Boston clearly took liberties both times and refs didnt do F-all.....

 

[Dekes For Days]

They played like Jr's then played like pros under Babcock.

They played like junior players in junior, and played like pros in the NHL... You're attributing stuff to Babcock when there's not much evidence he contributed anything, and there's quite a bit of evidence of him holding them back and general mistreatment. These players are amazing all on their own, despite Babcock, not because of.

 

[leafsfan5]

I don't worry about compete, the players will battle as they have before. I worry about execution and the ability to step on a teams neck when they're down. The leafs have let series' get away from them when they were in the drivers seat (game 7 2018, game 6 2019). They can't do that again this year, we're not inexperienced anymore, we have the coach most people like with a solid roster construction. Get it done

 

[Mess]

Well we are favoured to win the North so anything less than that would be a disappointment for sure. And we'd have to do a bit more than that to be really happy about the season IMHO.

Agreed , Final 4 is the floor as we've been gifted a golden opportunity here based on the playoff bracket.

Even if we win 2 rounds all we really did was beat a pair of teams we were heavily favoured against, and if we don't even achieve that this season was a bust.

 

[AllDay28]

Leafs 4-1 over the Habs. Ppl seem nervous but I’m bored with the first round matchup. Price just lost to the Marlins ... watch outtttt

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Leafs 4-1 over the Habs. Ppl seem nervous but I’m bored with the first round matchup. Price just lost to the Marlins ... watch outtttt

To be fair, it was dumb to think goal tending would translate well into pitching.

 

[Le Cobra]

The Leafs could learn a thing or two from Carolina's PP.

If Campbell can prove himself a playoff goalie, that can outduel the opposition's netminder, then we have a chance to compete.

Everything has to work in unison. Our offense needs to be relentless, our defense impregnable. We will see in time.

 

[saltming]

They played like junior players in junior, and played like pros in the NHL... You're attributing stuff to Babcock when there's not much evidence he contributed anything, and there's quite a bit of evidence of him holding them back and general mistreatment. These players are amazing all on their own, despite Babcock, not because of.

They played like Jr's in the pros the first year and a bit.
It was quite obvious the coach was reigning them in, which many posters hated, and it sounds like you were one of them, and transformed their games into a pro style

 

[Stinger8]

I wonder how Leafs would do in high intensity match ups like the 1st game of Tampa/Florida. That was perhaps the best 1st game in the 1st round in the recent memory

I started this thread and it was watching that game that made me think.....how would the Leafs look if they faced a team that was hitting/attacking as savagely as either of those 2 teams. I hope they will respond accordingly but until I see them do it I will be skeptical.

The Colorado game yesterday where Landeskog immediately goes after Schenn after an iffy hit, not a fighter but no hesitation and acquits himself impressively. Half the Leaf team would, but in my opinion half would not. Unfortunately the philosophy of we will make them pay with our P.P. does not cut it for the past 2 months.

As Michael Buffer would say It's...................................................TIME