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Wow the playoffs are intense. Can we compete

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Stinger8 said:
I started this thread and it was watching that game that made me think.....how would the Leafs look if they faced a team that was hitting/attacking as savagely as either of those 2 teams. I hope they will respond accordingly but until I see them do it I will be skeptical.

The Colorado game yesterday where Landeskog immediately goes after Schenn after an iffy hit, not a fighter but no hesitation and acquits himself impressively. Half the Leaf team would, but in my opinion half would not. Unfortunately the philosophy of we will make them pay with our P.P. does not cut it for the past 2 months.

As Michael Buffer would say It's...................................................TIME:laugh:
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Just because he doesn't fight doesn't mean he can't. Landeskog is a beast
 
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zeke said:
When there's 30 starting goalies in the league....where does an "average to slightly above average" goalie end up ranking?
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Mediocre was what you said. You're having a lot of memory issues lately but even that doesn't explain it as I even quoted you. Do you not read posts before responding to them or what?

Andersen was very good here for a few years, his second year he was 4th in Vezina voting. If you think that's mediocre, I don't even know what to say to you chief.

RealisticLeaf55 said:
True. So excited I keep thinking it's Wednesday
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LOL. Watch Curry vs Lebron tomorrow night IMO. :)
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Mediocre was what you said. You're having a lot of memory issues lately but even that doesn't explain it as I even quoted you. Do you not read posts before responding to them or what?

Andersen was very good here for a few years, his second year he was 4th in Vezina voting. If you think that's mediocre, I don't even know what to say to you chief.



LOL. Watch Curry vs Lebron tomorrow night IMO. :)
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You just called him borderline top 10.

Ina league with 30 starting goalies, what is another word for "borderline top 10"?
 
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Dekes For Days said:
No, they didn't. They played like NHLers, which is why they were in the NHL, doing quite well, despite being misused and mistreated by their coach.
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In the first year how many suicide passes did they make at the opposing blueline? How many do they do now? How good were they in 3on3 OT then vs now?
They were skilled enough to be stars in the NHL from Thier first games but they did not play pro style hockey.
There is stuff that works in Jr's that doesn't translate to the NHL. This is not something I'm making up, it's well know and has been like that forever.
 
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zeke said:
You just called him borderline top 10.

Ina league with 30 starting goalies, what is another word for "borderline top 10"?
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The word you used was mediocre. Would you care to retract that and admit that perhaps that wasn't an appropriate description of Andersen his first few years here or are you going to keep trying to change the subject?

The normal thing to do here would be admit that perhaps mediocre wasn't the correct word to use and then we'd just move on. But because you're just off the charts stubborn and refuse to ever concede a point no matter how small, we'll just stay stuck here. You'll keep avoiding the question, keep trying to change the subject ...

C'mon buddy, show us you're capable of growth. Admit that Andersen was definitely better than mediocre his first few years here. I know you can do it Zeke. :)
 
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IPS said:
I asked it before and nobody cared to answer - why haven't all these rebuilding teams over the last 2 years tried to acquire Babcock since he's allegedly such an incredible asset to a rebuild?

One of the lines that got thrown around here often during the Babcock days was "If Dubas was fired he'd never get a GM job again the league but if Babcock was fired he'd be hired instantly" and people really hammered on the latter part. Babcock hasn't been hired since because everyone knows he's a shitty coach nowadays.
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I think people are more concerned with his personality than his coaching abilities personally.
 
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saltming said:
In the first year how many suicide passes did they make at the opposing blueline? How many do they do now? How good were they in 3on3 OT then vs now?
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They actually didn't make many "suicide passes" at all in their first year. Your argument seems to be that Babcock must have been a great coach because they are better at certain things now than they were as rookies and teenagers, but that's just the natural progression of players as they gain more experience and enter their athletic primes. There's no basis to attribute that growth to Babcock, especially when much of it has come after Babcock was gone. There's actually much more evidence that Babcock slowed down that growth, and mistreated them.
 
Dekes For Days said:
They actually didn't make many "suicide passes" at all in their first year. Your argument seems to be that Babcock must have been a great coach because they are better at certain things now than they were as rookies and teenagers, but that's just the natural progression of players as they gain more experience and enter their athletic primes. There's no basis to attribute that growth to Babcock, especially when much of it has come after Babcock was gone. There's actually much more evidence that Babcock slowed down that growth, and mistreated them.
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Not once have I said suggested or hinted that Babcock ever improved their skill in any way. If that's what your argument with me is, it's misplaced.
As for suicide passes in zone entries, the first year there were several per game. Most worked out because they are insanely skilled, but the ones that didn't work out needed up in the back of our net many times or at the least lead to sustained pressure in our zone.
I guess you slipped the 3 on 3 because they were abysmal then.
There are many players that become better as they get older but their game does not mature, that's what I'm talking about, Babcock forced it in them.
Would they have progressed that way without Babcock? We will never know, but we do know he was their coach and he was working on this with them.
1+1=2
 
saltming said:
Not once have I said suggested or hinted that Babcock ever improved their skill in any way. If that's what your argument with me is, it's misplaced.
As for suicide passes in zone entries, the first year there were several per game. Most worked out because they are insanely skilled, but the ones that didn't work out needed up in the back of our net many times or at the least lead to sustained pressure in our zone.
I guess you slipped the 3 on 3 because they were abysmal then.
There are many players that become better as they get older but their game does not mature, that's what I'm talking about, Babcock forced it in them.
Would they have progressed that way without Babcock? We will never know, but we do know he was their coach and he was working on this with them.
1+1=2
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What do you think a suicide pass is ?
 
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