Would You Guarantee Dubas' Job For 2022-23 If It Meant Holding On To Our Futures?

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I like Dubas as the GM and would like to keep him around. Firing him wouldn't fix anything.

I get the fanbase wants to blame somebody, and if there should be a target on anyone's back it should be Keefe's.

Why what possible reason is there for him to keep his job? You can't use playoff success there hasn't been any so What's he done to deserve to keep his job? A regular season division title? is that why? because that is literally alk he's done as Leafs GM

 

[hotpaws]

I like Dubas as the GM and would like to keep him around. Firing him wouldn't fix anything.

I get the fanbase wants to blame somebody, and if there should be a target on anyone's back it should be Keefe's.

funny how you believe Keefe should be blamed but not the person who hired him and also not realizing Keefe was following Dubie's instructions on how to coach the team

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Really?

I doubt they are going to finish ahead of Boston or Tampa.
I believe Florida and Montreal (maybe even Ottawa?) will be in the mix for 3rd along with the Leafs
If they get into wildcard territory now you throw the teams from the Metro into the mix.

They don't get to play a shortened season where they never face another Top 10 team like this one. There is going to be increased pressure down the stretch, and we all know how this team performs under any pressure.

Boston has 2 rookie goalies going into next season, even if Rask does sign he won't be available until January at best and more likely February so he's irrelevant.

Krejci and Halak may not be back

Hall may not be back, Boston isn't a lock

 

[Mickey Marner]

No, our futures aren't that great and he's already traded away most of our picks, so there's not much left to peddle. As long as he's not here for the teardown, I'm pretty indifferent to what happens in the next year or so with this team.

 

[centipede2233]

Really?

I doubt they are going to finish ahead of Boston or Tampa.
I believe Florida and Montreal (maybe even Ottawa?) will be in the mix for 3rd along with the Leafs
If they get into wildcard territory now you throw the teams from the Metro into the mix.

They don't get to play a shortened season where they never face another Top 10 team like this one. There is going to be increased pressure down the stretch, and we all know how this team performs under any pressure.

I agree, the leafs historically have not faired well against Buffalo, Ottawa and Florida during the regular season. Sure Buffalo has been a horrible regular season team, but they own the leafs. The leafs are in tough next year in normal conference set up.

 

[Dekes For Days]

There's no reason to get rid of Dubas, and this idea that he's going to mortgage the future is ridiculous.

 

[Mess]

He should never have been hired. I was trusting Shanny knew what he was doing but he was apparently way off. Statistics don’t win championships. It’s a tool that should be used in conjunction with many other tools to build a competitive team. It was a failed rebuild and the Shanny era needs to be walked off a plank. Sell off some assets and retool. We’re closer to drafting first overall than competing for a cup. No point in staying a playoff bubble team any longer.

He should never have been hired should be a valid option in this poll.

Leafs should have allowed Lou Lam to continue coming off a record setting season and into the teams most crucial time of re-signing the 3 Amigos.

Dubas would have been fine as assistant GM, playing with his spreadsheets, and managing the Marlies as assistant GMs tend to do, where he and his pal Keefe could have all they fun they wanted managing the AHL team.

Plans done simply to mitigate further mismanagement as damage control guide rails, already tells most organizations they're heading done the wrong path and more wrongs don't make a right. Lame duck GMs simply put and organization in higher risk brackets and should be avoided. IMO

 

[Dekes For Days]

went for that promotion (and forced a regime change) very shortly into his apprenticeship.

That's not true at all. The Leafs followed through on the plan they had from the start. Dubas waited for that plan to play out, even though other teams were trying to poach him.

 

[Atomos2]

Whatever. Tbh I'm of the opinion no matter what we do, Leafs aren't going to be successful next year. So yea Dubas most likely will get fired next year. I honestly don't see a move he could do to prevent that. Especially with his loyalty to the players coming first over everything, the Leafs' course is set and its heading straight into an iceberg.

 

[Stephen]

That's not true at all. The Leafs followed through on the plan they had from the start. Dubas waited for that plan to play out, even though other teams were trying to poach him.

That’s called the PR version. Didn’t seem like Lou was hip to the succession plan.

 

[Mess]

I'm nowhere near this boat you speak of, nor do I care so much if they get outside of the first round as they do what they can to win a cup.

You can measure a teams' growth by which round they lost in if you want, but I do not.

What are you using to measure the teams progress if you don't me asking?

Sports in a results oriented business and managers are evaluated on job performance on the teams they manage, and against those of their peers as its competition.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That’s called the PR version. Didn’t seem like Lou was hip to the succession plan.

No, that's what happened. Lou was part of that plan. There's nothing to support your arbitrarily claimed version of events. Don't misrepresent things.

 

[Dreakmur]

There's no reason to get rid of Dubas, and this idea that he's going to mortgage the future is ridiculous.

He’s been throwing picks out the door since he got here. That is mortgaging the future.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He’s been throwing picks out the door since he got here. That is mortgaging the future.

Dubas has improved our pipeline significantly. He has not mortgaged anything.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

Dubas has improved our pipeline significantly. He has not mortgaged anything.

The Leafs have 6 draft picks over the next 2 seasons.

 

[Mess]

That’s called the PR version. Didn’t seem like Lou was hip to the succession plan.

Lots of supporting reads in the local papers to support your position here is a sample.

Moving Lou Lamoriello aside as Leafs GM is risky business for Brendan Shanahan

When Brendan Shanahan tossed a lightning bolt from his perch atop the Toronto Maple Leafs on Monday, it was his riskiest move in his four years as president of the team.

By telling Lou Lamoriello he was out as general manager, Shanahan exposed the organization to months of fallout if the succession plan does not play out well. Given the personalities involved, this has the potential to create the toxic front-office environment Leafs fans were so used to for too many years.

The key question is which of the assistant GMs, Kyle Dubas, 32, or Mark Hunter, 55, will become the next general manager. Will the loser agree to stay on? And if Dubas is the guy – as the tea leaves indicate he will be – how will he get on with head coach Mike Babcock, 24 years his senior and a noted Type-A personality who is not shy about making his views and desires known to the GM?

.......

There are risks of this blowing up in Shanahan’s face, despite the decision being carefully planned. First, this was clearly not Lamoriello’s idea, even if his contract stated he had three years as GM to be followed by four years as a senior adviser. “This morning I informed Lou that I was not going to deviate from that course of action,” Shanahan said in a statement from the Maple Leafs announcing Lamoriello was out as GM. This indicates there was at least some expectation Lamoriello might continue as GM given he previously made it clear he was not the retiring type, even at the age of 75.

If Lamoriello can’t make the best of it, then lots of hockey people think there might be a GM’s job waiting for him with the New York Islanders. Their front office is a mess and Lamoriello has connections with some of the staff, which includes his son, Chris, who is the Islanders’ director of player personnel.

Full story: Moving Lou Lamoriello aside as Leafs GM is risky business for Brendan Shanahan

 

[Dreakmur]

Dubas has improved our pipeline significantly. He has not mortgaged anything.

He’s done a good job bringing in low risk addictions on ELC. The team has also done a decent job taking high ceiling players with later picks, but that doesn’t undo all the picks he has sent out the door.

Sandin and Robertson both showed last year that they aren’t the saviours some people hoped they would be. They’ll both play next season, and we need those ELCs to keep cap compliant, but it appears that both should at the very least start at the bottom of the lineup.

 

[Dekes For Days]

The Leafs have 6 draft picks over the next 2 seasons.

Including 3 of the 4 most important picks.

We've also had 27 over the past 3 years, including 12 last year - and that's not even counting the overseas FA pipeline he has established.

 

[Mugzy97]

Really?

I doubt they are going to finish ahead of Boston or Tampa.
I believe Florida and Montreal (maybe even Ottawa?) will be in the mix for 3rd along with the Leafs
If they get into wildcard territory now you throw the teams from the Metro into the mix.

They don't get to play a shortened season where they never face another Top 10 team like this one. There is going to be increased pressure down the stretch, and we all know how this team performs under any pressure.

Nah you're blind. Toronto has a legitimate shot at winning the division.

Why what possible reason is there for him to keep his job? You can't use playoff success there hasn't been any so What's he done to deserve to keep his job? A regular season division title? is that why? because that is literally alk he's done as Leafs GM

Made good trades, smart signings, etc. You know, thing's that GM's do? This franchise has turned around since he's been in the driver's seat. Playoff success isn't the best way to score a GM.

funny how you believe Keefe should be blamed but not the person who hired him and also not realizing Keefe was following Dubie's instructions on how to coach the team

You're just making that up. Keefe is not taking coaching instructions from Dubas.

 

[Mugzy97]

The Leafs have 6 draft picks over the next 2 seasons.

Amount of draft picks does not equate to a good pipeline.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I'm worried he'll blow through more draft picks and futures than he already has.

He definitely will.

He's been mortgaging the future for a long time

 

[Stephen]

No, that's what happened. Lou was part of that plan. There's nothing to support your arbitrarily claimed version of events. Don't misrepresent things.

The events you’re describing are the cleaned up press releases to make people feel good about the incoming GM. A guy who gets kicked upstairs into a “senior” role who runs out the door a week later is clearly not part of the loop.

 

[Stephen]

Dubas has improved our pipeline significantly. He has not mortgaged anything.

Dubas’ pipeline hasn’t produced very many viable promotions since 2018. Yo-yo’ing Sandin and Robertson on completely ill defined promotional paths doesn’t count.

 

[Stephen]

Lots of supporting reads in the local papers to support your position here is a sample.

Moving Lou Lamoriello aside as Leafs GM is risky business for Brendan Shanahan

When Brendan Shanahan tossed a lightning bolt from his perch atop the Toronto Maple Leafs on Monday, it was his riskiest move in his four years as president of the team.

By telling Lou Lamoriello he was out as general manager, Shanahan exposed the organization to months of fallout if the succession plan does not play out well. Given the personalities involved, this has the potential to create the toxic front-office environment Leafs fans were so used to for too many years.

The key question is which of the assistant GMs, Kyle Dubas, 32, or Mark Hunter, 55, will become the next general manager. Will the loser agree to stay on? And if Dubas is the guy – as the tea leaves indicate he will be – how will he get on with head coach Mike Babcock, 24 years his senior and a noted Type-A personality who is not shy about making his views and desires known to the GM?

.......

There are risks of this blowing up in Shanahan’s face, despite the decision being carefully planned. First, this was clearly not Lamoriello’s idea, even if his contract stated he had three years as GM to be followed by four years as a senior adviser. “This morning I informed Lou that I was not going to deviate from that course of action,” Shanahan said in a statement from the Maple Leafs announcing Lamoriello was out as GM. This indicates there was at least some expectation Lamoriello might continue as GM given he previously made it clear he was not the retiring type, even at the age of 75.

If Lamoriello can’t make the best of it, then lots of hockey people think there might be a GM’s job waiting for him with the New York Islanders. Their front office is a mess and Lamoriello has connections with some of the staff, which includes his son, Chris, who is the Islanders’ director of player personnel.

Full story: Moving Lou Lamoriello aside as Leafs GM is risky business for Brendan Shanahan

Of course. We were all here playing out all the angles in real time and it was only 3 summers ago…

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lots of supporting reads in the local papers to support your position

Nothing you posted supports the claim - it actually supports the opposite, noting that they didn't deviate from their course of action. Everybody involved, including Lou, was clear on the plan since the moment Lou came to the Leafs. The Leafs simply followed through on the plan they had from the start. Dubas waited for that plan to play out, even though other teams were trying to poach him. To represent that as him "forcing a regime change" is incredibly dishonest.