Value of: Would Stars trade Roope Hintz for anyone, except for that one Oiler?

[ijuka]

Of course. Hintz is a great player, but not so good that he couldn't be traded for a better player.

Almost feels like Hintz went from underrated to overrated. There's quite a leap between Hintz being a solid first liner vs the second-most valuable player in NHL.

 

[lionsDen]

I remember some oilers fan who said Zach Hyman had more value. Lmao

 

[Panthaz89]

If we are not taking contracts into consideration. Teams Dallas would trade Hintz for:

McDrai
1st oa (Bedard)
MacKinnon
Matthews
Hughes
Kaprizov
Barkov
Kucherov
Pettersson

Probably a few more too

There is a 6'6 monster in Buffalo signed for 7 million for 7.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Martin St.Louis had his 1st PPG season as a 28yr old. He did pretty good after that. So Hintz should have scored in the NHL playing in Finland? Is that your point?


And a lot worse 200ft than Hintz. Also after 4yrs as a C, FO at 35% isnt exactly mindblowing...

Yeah, using the biggest outlier (St Louis) in player development history is not exactly steelmanning your argument.

And by the way, he wasn't in Finland. He was putting up .5 points a game in the AHL.

He wasn't good enough to be in the NHL. Let alone putting up 90+ points.

Take your homer glasses off and put up a poll. Hintz vs Hughes goes 90-10 in favour of Hughes with the 10% being Stars fans and some Jersey haters.

PS I hate Jersey with a firey passion. I wish I lived in a alternate universe where Brodeur & Stevens both decided to be Broomball players instead of Hockey. I believe that franchise is the root cause of a decade of more boring hockey. I hate Lou Lamoriello and the stains from his dirty fingers will be on that franchise forever.

I bear Dallas no ill will.

That all being said.

HUGHES >>>> Hintz

 

[John Mandalorian]

Nevermind what the stars would do if it's not even an option.

 

[dumbdick]

Nah not at all. He's a Selke level 1C with elite speed, hands, shot, and IQ. Stutzle and Hughes don't come close to Roope defensively.

He's 26 years old and was 21st in selke voting last year. He only got a handful of 4th and 5th place votes.

If he's going to win a Selke he better get on his horse.

 

[summer tooth]

Who?

 

[Unspecified]

Stars are my second team so I will not offend you but come on man, the hate matthews gets on this boards is unreal..best player in the league last season and probably best scorer if healthy, very good defensive player also, he was playing injured a lot this season and now i see some funny offers for Matthews or people telling Hintz is better? Come on this is pathetic..

Never said said Matthews isn't better but the chemistry Hintz has with his linemates is more valuable than Matthews himself on Dallas.

 

[jonlin]

i see some funny offers for Matthews or people telling Hintz is better? Come on this is pathetic..

Whats pathetic is a fan not understanding value:

1yr of Matthews at 12.45M

vs.

8yrs of Hintz at 8.45M

Which contract is more valuable?

 

[Panthaz89]

These threads are always funny will I take Hintz or McDavid, Draisaitl....no he's got better contract. Like teams can't resign players.....like teams are rocketing out the best players in the league just because they have to pay them.

 

[M88K]

There's a bunch of players I would trade him for.
Contacts included makes it a bit harder sure, but it's still take my chances on Dria coming back after his 2yrs are up.
Eliminating non-centers.
Stutzle, Hughes, Bedard would all be easy yes. Thompson too.
Id also take Mack even at 12.6m. you can buyout Suter, pay to dump Faksa and with cap growth be ok for the couple years you have to ride out Benns remaining contract.

Probably also try and unload Miller too. Just for more room to work with.

Matthews would also be a no-brainer if he had any term left but I wouldn't be confident he'd stick around currently.


This whole defensive accuman and chemistry with linemates thing is getting way overblown.
Anyone can learn to kill penalties well, but even still there's a lot of players in Dallas that can do that instead of Hintz, and bottom 6 guys that excel at it can be had cheap every year.
Robertson out produced his closest linemate by over 30p, chemistry isn't necessary

Hell I'd bet money on one of Johnston, Stankoven or Bourque taking over the #1 C role in Dallas before Seguins contract drops off

 

[jonlin]

Like teams can't resign players.....like teams are rocketing out the best players in the league just because they have to pay them.

Are you aware there is a salary-cap? Dallas has Seguin&Benn signed for 19M. If they throw 15M on Matthews or Draisaitl, its essentially the same money they pay Robertson+Hintz. They cant afford to be competative if they dish out stupid contracts like they did. It`s also not about that a team can resign a player - the player also would have do sign the contract.

 

[M88K]

Are you aware there is a salary-cap? Dallas has Seguin&Benn signed for 19M. If they throw 15M on Matthews or Draisaitl, its essentially the same money they pay Robertson+Hintz. They cant afford to be competative if they dish out stupid contracts like they did. It`s also not about that a team can resign a player - the player also would have do sign the contract.

Are you talking to me with this nonsense? Where are you getting 15m for Dria or Matthews from?

You're making up numbers. There's no reason to assume they're going to be 3+mil higher than MacKinnon.
Even still it's 2yrs in the case of Matthews 15m extension and 1 with dria before Benn is off the book.

The cap will be 84.5m at minimum when the Matthews contract extension kicks in. 85.5 for dria.
So we can subtract 9.5m of the 15m. (8.45 for Hintz and 1m for cap growth)
So we need to free up about 6m for 2yrs or 5m for 1yr.

Marchments contract is a 10 team ntc
So that 4.5m, a Suter buyout saves 2.86mil,
So look lost nothing from the team that matters and fit the 15m contract for the 2yrs until Benn comes off the books.

Even have money left over to replace marchment with Stankoven.


Regardless if you can get dria or Matthews and all it costs you is Hintz you jump at it and figure out the other moving parts later and shedding some garbage contacts like Suter and Marchment is a win with what they bring to the team anyway

 

[jonlin]

Are you talking to me with this nonsense? Where are you getting 15m for Dria or Matthews from?

You're making up numbers. There's no reason to assume they're going to be 3+mil higher than MacKinnon.
Even still it's 2yrs in the case of Matthews 15m extension and 1 with dria before Benn is off the book.

The cap will be 84.5m at minimum when the Matthews contract extension kicks in. 85.5 for dria.
So we can subtract 9.5m of the 15m. (8.45 for Hintz and 1m for cap growth)
So we need to free up about 6m for 2yrs or 5m for 1yr.

Marchments contract is a 10 team ntc
So that 4.5m, a Suter buyout saves 2.86mil,
So look lost nothing from the team that matters and fit the 15m contract for the 2yrs until Benn comes off the books.

Even have money left over to replace marchment with Stankoven.


Regardless if you can get dria or Matthews and all it costs you is Hintz you jump at it and figure out the other moving parts later and shedding some garbage contacts like Suter and Marchment is a win with what they bring to the team anyway

Draisaitl will absolutely command 15M+. Draisaitl signed a bargain contract last time and he has the numbers to back up such a contract. Do you expect Arizona, Anaheim and LA not to offer him that? For Matthews the same applies.

A Suter buyout this summer save 2.8M/yr for the next 2yrs of his contract, but it ADDS 1.43M/yr for the next 2yrs. So, it actually make it worse when Draisaitl`s extension would set in. Care to check facts?

Regardless if you can get dria or Matthews and all it costs you is Hintz you jump at it

No you dont. I much rather have Hintz at 50% the price of Draisaitl or Matthews. 15M+ for one of them + added 1.43M Suters buyout is double the price of Hintz. Good youre not a GM.

 

[M88K]

Draisaitl will absolutely command 15M+. Draisaitl signed a bargain contract last time and he has the numbers to back up such a contract. Do you expect Arizona, Anaheim and LA not to offer him that? For Matthews the same applies.

A Suter buyout this summer save 2.8M/yr for the next 2yrs of his contract, but it ADDS 1.43M/yr for the next 2yrs. So, it actually make it worse when Draisaitl`s extension would set in. Care to check facts?

You obviously don't know what you're talking about and that's ok. No it doesn't make it worse.
Benn has 3 years left on his contract. It ends in 24-25. So the 1.43m is nothing you would literally have gained over 8m with the 1.43m penalty for the one year.
You should probably look into the teams contract structure before you say check facts when you 0 clue what you're talking about.

Also why are you buying Suter out this summer to fit a contract you can fit without buying him out. That's beyond stupid

 

[jonlin]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about and that's ok. No it doesn't make it worse.
Benn has 3 years left on his contract. It ends in 24-25. So the 1.43m is nothing you would literally have gained over 8m with the 1.43m penalty for the one year.
You should probably look into the teams contract structure before you say check facts when you 0 clue what you're talking aboutA Suter buyout this summer :

Ryan Suter projected buyout 2023-2024 season

	2023-2024	2024-2025	2025-2026	2026-2027
Remaining Base Salary $8,600,000	$4,300,000	$4,300,000	$0	$0
Original Cap Hit	$3,650,000	$3,650,000	$0	$0
Contract Signing Bonus	$0	$0	$0	$0
Contract Total Salary	($4,300,000)	($4,300,000)	($0)	($0)
Annual Buyout Cost	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$1,433,333
ACTUAL CAP HIT	$783,333	$783,333	$1,433,333	$1,433,333
Savings	$2,866,667	$2,866,667	$-1,433,333	$-1,433,333

 

[M88K]

Ryan Suter projected buyout 2023-2024 season

	2023-2024	2024-2025	2025-2026	2026-2027
Remaining Base Salary $8,600,000	$4,300,000	$4,300,000	$0	$0
Original Cap Hit	$3,650,000	$3,650,000	$0	$0
Contract Signing Bonus	$0	$0	$0	$0
Contract Total Salary	($4,300,000)	($4,300,000)	($0)	($0)
Annual Buyout Cost	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$1,433,333
ACTUAL CAP HIT	$783,333	$783,333	$1,433,333	$1,433,333
Savings	$2,866,667	$2,866,667	$-1,433,333	$-1,433,333

Again why are you buying him out this year for a f***ing contract you can fit without buying him out?

Try it again, this time buy him out in jun of 24. I'll wait for you to figure it out

 

[jonlin]

Again why are you buying him out this year too for a f***ing contract you can fit without buying him out?

If you trade him for Auton f***ing Matthews at 11.64M you need space. Kivi, Domi, Daddy, Glendening wiil need to be let go or renewed contracts. Also Hanley&Olofsson. The capspace is at 7.4M for 2023-2024. Are you gonna play with AHLers?

And I dont see this guy:

2022-2023 Regular Season Stats

Auston Matthews	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Toronto Maple Leafs	74	40	45	85	31	20	1,147	67.00	57.50	5.40	53.60	4.10	1.31	2.72

beiing worh double than this guy:

2022-2023 Regular Season Stats

Roope Hintz	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	TOI	GF%	DFF%	Rel DFF%	CF%	Rel CF%	G60	P60
Dallas Stars	73	37	38	75	31	30	850	65.80	55.60	6.00	54.50	3.60	1.34	2.68

 

[Arthur Morgan]

whats the point of developing these players just to trade them? wouldnt Dallas want to build around him and Robertson?

 

[jonlin]

whats the point of developing these players just to trade them? wouldnt Dallas want to build around him and Robertson?

Everyone but M88K. Having Hintz+Robertson for a combined 16M is "a bit" better than trading one Hintz. This one guy doesnt like Hintz for some reason even if Hintz has the best year of his career and continues the same in the playoffs. He has 4g + 4a in 4gp and FO% at 58+. What a f***ing scrub for 3.15M and extended rom next season at 8.45M for 8yrs. Trade the sack of poo already... Hintz has actually identical stats with Matthews looking at G/60 and P/60. He just is logging 300min less/season. Thats on the coaching.

 

[M88K]

If you trade him for Auton f***ing Matthews at 11.64M you need space. Kivi, Domi, Daddy, Glendening wiil need to be let go or renewed contracts. Also Hanley&Olofsson. The capspace is at 7.4M for 2023-2024. Are you gonna play with AHLers?

It's impossible to be this clueless.
Kiviranta, Olofsson Dellandrea and Hanley aren't getting significant raises. There's 0 reason to bring Glendening back at all and considering they already have 7 defensemen under contract without Hanley, no reason for him either but even if they did he'd just be in the AHL and he's not making enough that any of it would have on the NHL cap anyway.

Obviously in the scenario where you're adding Matthews neither of Dadonov or Domi are coming back, even without that hypothetical trade, both are unlikely to be back as is. Nor would you want to block Bourque and Stankoven further anyway.

 

[M88K]

Everyone but M88K. Having Hintz+Robertson for a combined 16M is "a bit" better than trading one Hintz. This one guy doesnt like Hintz for some reason even if Hintz has the best year of his career and continues the same in the playoffs. He has 4g + 4a in 4gp and FO% at 58+. What a f***ing scrub for 3.15M and extended rom next season at 8.45M for 8yrs. Trade the sack of poo already... Hintz has actually identical stats with Matthews looking at G/60 and P/60. He just is logging 300min less/season. Thats on the coaching.

You have no f***ing clue what you're talking about.

Nobody dislikes Hintz.
You're talking about a scenario where you're adding 1 of the top 4 centers in the NHL (McDavid, MacKinnon, Dria, Matthews) for Hintz.
It had nothing to do with disliking Hintz.

And even then if you had read my original post I clearly said I'd take my chances with Dria re-signing and Matthews would be a no brainier with term but I wouldn't be confident he'd stick around.

 

[jonlin]

Obviously in the scenario where you're adding Matthews neither of Dadonov or Domi are coming back

Why would you trade Hintz for matthews, when they have identical stats/60 this season, are the same age etc. and Matthews will command a shitload more than Hintz`s 8.45M? It`s not like Matthews doesnt have any help from Marner...

You're talking about a scenario where you're adding 1 of the top 4 centers in the NHL (McDavid, MacKinnon, Dria, Matthews) for Hintz.

Jeesus - I am the one who wouldnt do that and you said if there was a chance for trading Hintz for Matthews or Draisaitl, you`d do it in a heartbeat.

Regardless if you can get dria or Matthews and all it costs you is Hintz you jump at it and figure out the other moving parts later and shedding some garbage contacts like Suter and Marchment is a win with what they bring to the team anyway

Or is this not you? Way to forget fast....

 

[M88K]

Why would you trade Hintz for matthews, when they have identical stats/60 this season, are the same age etc. and Matthews will command a shitload more than Hintz`s 8.45M? It`s not like Matthews doesnt have any help from Marner...


Jeesus - I am the one who wouldnt do that and you said if there was a chance for trading Hintz for Matthews or Draisaitl, you`d do it in a heartbeat.


Or is this not you? Way to forget fast....

You're just trolling right? You have to be at this point, it's impossible to be this dense.
You cherry picking certain parts of a post and disregarding the context of everything that came with.
That point was made in the context of Matthews re-signing with the stars for your imaginary 15m.

Not just trading a signed Hintz for 1year of Matthews. Get a f***ing clue.


Oh in a season where Matthews was hampered by a wrist injury Hintz kept up in theoretical points. Despite still being actually out produced by Matthews, good for him

 

[542365]

Lmao let’s name a few:

Draisaitl, Hedman, Hughes, Makar, Mackinnon, Thompson, Eichel, Fox, Kyrou, Laine, Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Point, Stamkos, Kucherov, Kaprizov, Marchand, McAvoy, Lindholm(either), Aho, Svechnikov, Necas, Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, Tkachuk(either), Barkov, Ekblad, Rantanen, Landeskog, Gaudreau, Josi, Pastrnak, Pettersson, Stutzle, Keller, Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Hischier, Meier, Larkin, Morrissey, Dahlin, Guentzel, Bratt, McCann, Buchnevich, Suzuki, Caufield, Power, Tuch, Shesterkin, Vasilevskiy, Sorokin, Hellebuyck

After that maybe he’s in the conversation. All of these players are far more valuable considering age, ability, and contract. If age isn’t a consideration(like if they were gunning for a Cup before their core got too old) Bergeron, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Kopitar, Tarasenko, Hamilton among others are far better players right now, but their age or contract situation might make them slightly less valuable. Hintz is a very ordinary player. There will be at least 15 players drafted this year who have better careers.