Would it really be the end of the world if Matthews isn’t on the team in two years?

[ULF_55]

So, do you trade marner end of this year to get enough capspace to pay him that 14-15 per season, and have enough left over to sign for a position of need?

Sign Gavrikov?
or
Give Pastrnak $10mm?

 

[Funk21]

If he is gone you restart another rebuild and tear it down to the studs. This time go slow and don’t bow to media pressure accelerating it. Lastly you don’t give out massive contacts to players who haven’t won anything.

 

[KPower]

Matty will be 27 when this contract is over so a 2 year deal makes sense for his camp.

Then at 29 he will sign for 8 years. Nobody wants to risk slowing down in your 30’s and missing that cake.

Doubt he stays in Toronto for those 8 years.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

You keep Matty at 15M for 8 years .. when healthy and in shape he is a game changer .. he may grow into a MAC type of leader who knows .. but either way you can't get a #1C top 3 in game cheap .. what needs to happen is JT goes on LTIR and Mitch gets traded for a top D and a G with same CAP hit .. Willy can stay at 8.5M for 8 years too and be #2C .. this is what I expect will happen with new mgmt team

I like 99% of your posts, man. But this one? Please, don't do drugs.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

In both cases their teams decided not to pursue trades because they kept trying to re-sign them up until the last minute of free agency. I don't recall either guy blocking trades.

So that's a different situation from what the Leafs would face.

Nonsense. It's the exact same situation.

 

[ULF_55]

You keep Matty at 15M for 8 years .. when healthy and in shape he is a game changer .. he may grow into a MAC type of leader who knows .. but either way you can't get a #1C top 3 in game cheap .. what needs to happen is JT goes on LTIR and Mitch gets traded for a top D and a G with same CAP hit .. Willy can stay at 8.5M for 8 years too and be #2C .. this is what I expect will happen with new mgmt team

Tavares is not going on LTIR, unless he is truly injured.

marner is the best trade bet, frees about 10mm in space, with 2-3 of that going to Mattews, and then 7mm to take care of Nylander and land a legitimate keeper/defender.

 

[Apotheosis]

I can't say I will really care. I don't understand this weird personal attachment people have to professional sports stars. They don't care about you. They make millions to play a sport you would play for free or pay to play in a beer league. The Leafs suck, and are most likely winning nothing with the current make up of the team and management in its current state.

 

[Menzinger]

Don't believe he said he would block trades, he just asked not to be traded at the TDL. Isles accomodated and Tavares walked July 1st.

So the lesson is to have a plan in place more so than just take a "wait and see" approach and hope he signs by his free agency deadline.

Nonsense. It's the exact same situation.

Not really. In the case of the Isles and Flames both teams decided not to try and trade the player and tried to the last minute to resign them. I don't see that happening with the Leafs. Matthews also has 1.9 seasons still remaining on his contract - which wasn't the case for Tavares of Johnny Hockey.

The original point of discussion was why would Matthews decide to actively block trades if he was intending on leaving anyways.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

So the lesson is to have a plan in place more so than just take a "wait and see" approach and hope he signs by his free agency deadline.



Not really. In the case of the Isles and Flames both teams decided not to try and trade the player and tried to the last minute to resign them. I don't see that happening with the Leafs. Matthews also has 1.9 seasons still remaining on his contract - which wasn't the case for Tavares of Johnny Hockey.

The original point of discussion was why would Matthews decide to actively block trades if he was intending on leaving anyways.

You're still, likely intentionally, missing the point. Leafs' management has ALL the power if they trade him this year to maximize the return. Next year, because of Dubas' screw up, all of the power shifts to Matthews.

ALL OF IT.

 

[I am Canadian]

If the best player we've ever had, in the biggest market, with the biggest marketing income he could possibly make, doesn't want to sign here?

Yes, that would be awful.

 

[Menzinger]

You're still, likely intentionally, missing the point. Leafs' management has ALL the power if they trade him this year to maximize the return. Next year, because of Dubas' screw up, all of the power shifts to Matthews.

ALL OF IT.

And again, the idea that he's going to deliberately block any and all trades is fairly suspect. If he wants out of Toronto, hes not going to fight tooth and nail to stay.

And regardless the draft period has some of the highest volume for trades during the year. There's even plenty of time to work out a trade before the NTC becomes even a factor.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

And again, the idea that he's going to deliberately block any and all trades is fairly suspect. If he wants out of Toronto, hes not going to fight tooth and nail to stay.

And regardless the draft period has some of the highest volume for trades during the year. There's even plenty of time to work out a trade before the NTC becomes even a factor.

You're still not getting it. He wants out of Toronto to go to a small list of specific places he wants to go. ON OR AFTER July 1st, he will veto any trade to anywhere he doesn't want to go. I would too. Some of the places where he doesn't want to go might have better offers of return than the places where he does want to go. In addition, the places where he does want to go would gain additional leverage, and thus may offer less of a return.

You're a smarter poster than your above comment. Surely you get this and a dummy like me shouldn't have to explain this to you..

 

[PromisedLand]

it would SUCK but no it wouldn't be the end of the world. Matthews has been in the league for 6 years; and in those 6 years; 12 teams have gone on to the SCF with 6 winners and many other teams have played hockey beyond the 1st round. And the team with Matthews isn't one of that

Its a "Team Sport"

 

[tp71]

Would the team be worse without its best player, who is definitely a top 5 player in the league? Hard to say - let's debate this for 50 pages.

 

[hamzarocks]

I can't say I will really care. I don't understand this weird personal attachment people have to professional sports stars. They don't care about you. They make millions to play a sport you would play for free or pay to play in a beer league. The Leafs suck, and are most likely winning nothing with the current make up of the team and management in its current state.

Man I remember back in 2016-2017 or so

You were one of the most hyped posters for this core.

44, 16, 88, 34, even 43.

I agreed with a lot of your posts back then. Really did think we had a certain multiple cup winner with so much elite talent and elite depth (kap, AJ, brown, Hyman etc)

Been a mad depressing 6 years to get to this point haha.

Don't know how they've kept on failing and haven't been able to breakthrough. Just seems almost like it's rigged sadly.

 

[William Hylander]

Except the day he is eligible to re-sign is also the day his NMC kicks in so we can't "just trade him " July 1 2023 he becomes untradeable , nobody is paying a premium for an unsigned player when he becomes available for free .
Also can we knock off the generational BS , he is not a generational player . Crosby , Lemieux , McJesus these guys are generational players , you need a benchmark ? how about players that have posted 700 or more points in 500 games ? Mathews will not even come close to that mark but those three guys and 4 other players before them have all done it . He is not that guy , he is a very good goal scorer but he is not that guy that can take a team on his back and make them something they are not .

Good point, well if we are deep in a run I doubt Matthews will leave. We could trade him just a few days before the supposed deadline. If he did pull a dont trade me cause I'm signing now and then refuse to sign and block all trades that would be a generational snake move lol. Maybe a Matthews for our Tavares.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The Leafs existed before Auston Matthews and will exist after him.

It's cliche but it's true. How anyone could possibly have a irrationally strong attachment to ANY player or front office member in this organization is beyond me.

The one thing you can't do is let him leave for nothing. That cannot be an acceptable outcome.

 

[Dragao6]

The Leafs existed before Auston Matthews and will exist after him.

It's cliche but it's true. How anyone could possibly have a irrationally strong attachment to ANY player or front office member in this organization is beyond me.

The one thing you can't do is let him leave for nothing. That cannot be an acceptable outcome.

Def. It leave for nothing but if it’s dubas he waits till the very end

For me it’s all about chearing against the Edmonton oilers!!!

 

[Gabriel426]

Def. It leave for nothing but if it’s dubas he waits till the very end

For me it’s all about chearing against the Edmonton oilers!!!

If AM leaves, Oilers fans wont be able to sleep till McD signs his extension, bc they all know their worst nightmare might become a reality, lol.

 

[cannucky]

One of the strangest suggestions that I keep seeing, is that Matthew's apparently is going to become dead set on leaving the team, yet also use his nmc to block any sort of trade but he can stay on the team lol. It doesn't make it any sense.

Not to mention I think it's hard to name a single case where a star went out of their way to block trades when they also had no intention of signing.

You think he will say yes to a bottom feeder team ? He wants what every pro wants , a cup and the teams in that position don't have 15m for a new name on the roster and if they are that 1 player away from the deep run they aren't looking to trade multiple players to get him either . My money is on him walking after next year for zero return .

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Def. It leave for nothing but if it’s dubas he waits till the very end

For me it’s all about chearing against the Edmonton oilers!!!

It might not be Dubas' decision to make in the first place.

 

[cannucky]

The NMC doesn't prevent him from being traded. It does give him the power to say where he wants to go.

Every year players get traded that are going to become UFA'S.

Unless Matthews is a complete ass where he refuses to sign and refuses to waive his no trade to handcuff the Leafs he will be dealt.

Some of the worst logic on the board right here bud . You don't seem capable of grasping the actual concept at play here , re-signing doesn't change his paycheck next year and his NMC isn't a NTC he can choose if he wants to block a specific trade so if the 2 or 3 teams he wants to go to don't have the assets to trade or even more likely the desire to trade their assets at all there no is deal for him to accept . He isn't going to say sure trade me to Columbus so I can play one year then go sign in LA or Anaheim , there is no point , he will either go where he wants or he will play out his last year then negotiate his next contract directly with the team he wants to play for without weakening that team in a blockbuster trade .
For example why would he take a trade for McJesus when he can wait a year and go play with McJesus on what would be a much better team ?

 

[alliuk12]

When in the playoffs has he ever stepped up and made a difference he is good when there is no pressure on him as long as he has pressure on him he is not worth a pinch of coon sh-it him and nylander are the same type of player a lot of people blame marner but he is not afraid to play the boards and corners

 

[Gallagbi]

Some of the worst logic on the board right here bud . You don't seem capable of grasping the actual concept at play here , re-signing doesn't change his paycheck next year and his NMC isn't a NTC he can choose if he wants to block a specific trade so if the 2 or 3 teams he wants to go to don't have the assets to trade or even more likely the desire to trade their assets at all there no is deal for him to accept . He isn't going to say sure trade me to Columbus so I can play one year then go sign in LA or Anaheim , there is no point , he will either go where he wants or he will play out his last year then negotiate his next contract directly with the team he wants to play for without weakening that team in a blockbuster trade .

Not sure he wants to be the villain Tavares was for leaving. Purposely blocking a trade when you dont re-sign puts a lot of pressure on the player

 

[Apotheosis]

Man I remember back in 2016-2017 or so

You were one of the most hyped posters for this core.

44, 16, 88, 34, even 43.

I agreed with a lot of your posts back then. Really did think we had a certain multiple cup winner with so much elite talent and elite depth (kap, AJ, brown, Hyman etc)

Been a mad depressing 6 years to get to this point haha.

Don't know how they've kept on failing and haven't been able to breakthrough. Just seems almost like it's rigged sadly.

I really was. But also I've changed. False idols make no sense whatsoever. These guys don't care about us, let alone the on ice product they project on to the screen we watch. It's just a past time, no need to invest personal energy in to it any longer.