Would it really be the end of the world if Matthews isn’t on the team in two years?

[darrylsittler27]

The beauty of what Dubas has done is that true debacle cant been seen until he is long gone. Dumping firsts, paying full pop in trades, getting nothing for own rentals and musical chairs, just hoping it works. The prospect pool is nowhere as good as people pretend and all the other GM's and agents know he is a pushover. The Shanaplan is a joke and is running on hopium.

 

[rocketman588]

Ummmmm you do realize the same teammates have crashed and burned and missed the playoffs and got swept right?

They were getting yelled at and it was a disaster last year….. they weren’t even a shoe in for playoffs until like March playing in the weakest division competition gm against half the knights and kings

This is just silly

As opposed to the leafs

Who have crashed and burned every year and also missed the playoffs?

At least they have a team that is somewhat capable

The beauty of what Dubas has done is that true debacle cant been seen until is long gone. Dumping firsts, paying full pop in trades, getting nothing for own rentals and musical chairs just hoping it works. The prospect pool is nowhere as good as people pretend and all the other GM's and agents know he is a pushover. The Shanaplan is a joke and is running on hopium.

He's running a Ponzi scheme basically

The "prospect pool" is the fake investment return in the future. The real accounting books are what's happening on the ice

 

[ITM]

I’ll preface this by saying it’s probably too early to have this conversation. However, with the abysmal start to the season and with what seems like will be the 7th straight year winning nothing of substance, I figure the question has to be asked.

Every leaf fan I’ve heard from thinks it will be the end of the world if Matthews isn’t playing here in two seasons. Matthews is a world class player. No denying that. But is it worth it for the Leafs to pay 13+ mil/yr to a guy who hasn’t proved he can elevate his game in the playoffs? Is it even possible for a team to win the cup in the modern NHL with a player taking up such a high percentage of the cap?

If the answer to these questions is no, or if the Leafs get the slightest inkling that Matthews won’t re-sign, then they have to explore moving him this off-season to at least get somewhat of a haul back for him.

Personally, I am ready to nuke the entire organization at this point. Move on from most (if not all) of the core, front office and coaching staff and start over.

End of the world? No.

Thunderdome-esque culture seemingly destroyed, post-hiring for woke compliance era level sad? Yes. But we're here...

...So...

I think we have to realize two things:

(1)There's no getting around it: We're in a holding pattern post-Tavares contract. That should encourage some that a rebuild/retool is on the way anyway.

(2) What Matthews does he does better than any player in the league and it's likely he's the standard until and if he sharply declines. So if he were moved it would have to be for something that dwarfs the Jack Eichel return; If he stays, we're going to be in a position to support the club in a way we should have prior to Tavares coming on board.

 

[mapleleaf979]

The beauty of what Dubas has done is that true debacle cant been seen until he is long gone. Dumping firsts, paying full pop in trades, getting nothing for own rentals and musical chairs, just hoping it works. The prospect pool is nowhere as good as people pretend and all the other GM's and agents know he is a pushover. The Shanaplan is a joke and is running on hopium.

Facts,

 

[stickty111]

Yes we would be a lot worse if Matthews leaves. This is actually a topic?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Probably wouldn't be good, but it would depend on the details of his departure.

 

[Menzinger]

The NMC doesn't prevent him from being traded. It does give him the power to say where he wants to go.

Every year players get traded that are going to become UFA'S.

Unless Matthews is a complete ass where he refuses to sign and refuses to waive his no trade to handcuff the Leafs he will be dealt.

One of the strangest suggestions that I keep seeing, is that Matthew's apparently is going to become dead set on leaving the team, yet also use his nmc to block any sort of trade but he can stay on the team lol. It doesn't make it any sense.

Not to mention I think it's hard to name a single case where a star went out of their way to block trades when they also had no intention of signing.

 

[killer1980]

I think the title should read, "Will it really be the end of the world when Matthews isn't on the team in two years."

Answer: No, it will be the beginning of a brave new world.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I’ll preface this by saying it’s probably too early to have this conversation. However, with the abysmal start to the season and with what seems like will be the 7th straight year winning nothing of substance, I figure the question has to be asked.

Every leaf fan I’ve heard from thinks it will be the end of the world if Matthews isn’t playing here in two seasons. Matthews is a world class player. No denying that. But is it worth it for the Leafs to pay 13+ mil/yr to a guy who hasn’t proved he can elevate his game in the playoffs? Is it even possible for a team to win the cup in the modern NHL with a player taking up such a high percentage of the cap?

If the answer to these questions is no, or if the Leafs get the slightest inkling that Matthews won’t re-sign, then they have to explore moving him this off-season to at least get somewhat of a haul back for him.

Personally, I am ready to nuke the entire organization at this point. Move on from most (if not all) of the core, front office and coaching staff and start over.

No, but they better get a significant return for Matthews at the deadline.

 

[Trapper]

One of the strangest suggestions that I keep seeing, is that Matthew's apparently is going to become dead set on leaving the team, yet also use his nmc to block any sort of trade but he can stay on the team lol. It doesn't make it any sense.

Not to mention I think it's hard to name a single case where a star went out of their way to block trades when they also had no intention of signing.

This is true. You can still trade him, he just has to agree. And if things are at that point, he probably would.

It’s Nylander I can see pulling a Johnny Hockey. While everyone is so worried about Matthews and then Marner, Willy is like bye.

 

[Nineteen67]

Except he is giving up an extra year. ……. And going to a non playoff team.


And they don’t do full SB.

Sign and Trade like Calgary did with Tkachuk

 

[ToneDog]

One of the strangest suggestions that I keep seeing, is that Matthew's apparently is going to become dead set on leaving the team, yet also use his nmc to block any sort of trade but he can stay on the team lol. It doesn't make it any sense.

Not to mention I think it's hard to name a single case where a star went out of their way to block trades when they also had no intention of signing.

Have you heard of John Tavares? Talk to Islander fans who will tell you what he did.

Oh yeah and let's not forget Johnny Hockey.

 

[Nineteen67]

One of the strangest suggestions that I keep seeing, is that Matthew's apparently is going to become dead set on leaving the team, yet also use his nmc to block any sort of trade but he can stay on the team lol. It doesn't make it any sense.

Not to mention I think it's hard to name a single case where a star went out of their way to block trades when they also had no intention of signing.

He put in the NMC to limit who they could trade him to. He’ll gladly approve the right trade.

 

[keonsbitterness]

He put in the NMC to limit who they could trade him to. He’ll gladly approve the right trade.

In theory he could limit that to zero teams and then walk for nothing.

 

[Nineteen67]

In theory he could limit that to zero teams and then walk for nothing.

Sure. He’ll leverage what’s best for him.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

You keep Matty at 15M for 8 years .. when healthy and in shape he is a game changer .. he may grow into a MAC type of leader who knows .. but either way you can't get a #1C top 3 in game cheap .. what needs to happen is JT goes on LTIR and Mitch gets traded for a top D and a G with same CAP hit .. Willy can stay at 8.5M for 8 years too and be #2C .. this is what I expect will happen with new mgmt team

 

[mapleleaf979]

If im Matthews, Im looking at the GM and what he has built/destroyed and if Matthews wants to win a stanley cup, Dubas is not the Gm to be trusted. If im baffled about so many things, d-core being the main issue, how can Matthews stay here. Kyle Dubas is the biggest obstacle for Matthews to win based on what Dubas has tried to build. Its worse than John Ferguson. Im prepared for Matthews to leave. Knowing Dubas he would keep him as a rental or get fleeced in a trade, as per usual.

 

[mapleleaf979]

You keep Matty at 15M for 8 years .. when healthy and in shape he is a game changer .. he may grow into a MAC type of leader who knows .. but either way you can't get a #1C top 3 in game cheap .. what needs to happen is JT goes on LTIR and Mitch gets traded for a top D and a G with same CAP hit .. Willy can stay at 8.5M for 8 years too and be #2C .. this is what I expect will happen with new mgmt team

I wouldnt keep Nylander. Players on that team watch Nylander check in and check out at his own will and minimal punishment is served. Nylander is a bad influence on a team that already lacks any heart, grit, willpower, determination etc. In San Jose after Nylander turned the puck over, he didnt move and let Karlsson skate past him. In that scenario Nylander had a choice, back check for 5 or 6 seconds and keep the score 3-3 or quit and serve the other team a high end scoring chance. It wasnt worth 5 seconds of Willy;s time.

 

[allfornothing]

Matthews (and a lot of the leafs top talent) are one dimensional offensive players. He doesn’t get paid to play shutdown match ups. Yet, Matthews has no even strength goals this year. He gets worse every year when the competition gets tighter in the playoffs. He’s going to want a raise.

Why would he even deserve it? He was the best player in the league last regular season and was the highest paid player on the team. Does paying him even more (less than) two years from now make him a better player? That seems extremely unlikely

 

[ToneDog]

You keep Matty at 15M for 8 years .. when healthy and in shape he is a game changer .. he may grow into a MAC type of leader who knows .. but either way you can't get a #1C top 3 in game cheap .. what needs to happen is JT goes on LTIR and Mitch gets traded for a top D and a G with same CAP hit .. Willy can stay at 8.5M for 8 years too and be #2C .. this is what I expect will happen with new mgmt team

Mac just signed for 12.6x8. I'd move 34 before giving him 15m.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I wouldnt keep Nylander. Players on that team watch Nylander check in and check out at his own will and minimal punishment is served. Nylander is a bad influence on a team that already lacks any heart, grit, willpower, determination etc. In San Jose after Nylander turned the puck over, he didnt move and let Karlsson skate past him. In that scenario Nylander had a choice, back check for 5 or 6 seconds and keep the score 3-3 or quit and serve the other team a high end scoring chance. It wasnt worth 5 seconds of Willy;s time.

There is no argument to that logic and everyone knows he packed it in for da SJ game .. his worst game this season for sure .. but he was also our best player BY FAR last night .. without Willy you can take 6 points off teams 10 this season and we are down to 4 points and last in league .. take out Robertson and team down to 2 points and Sammy won us 2 points too .. bottom line JT and Matty (except for last game) have been getting caved every game .. Mitch has been OK he is trying his best except last night where he not only did NOTHING but he actually cost us 2 points .. bottom line we have a VERY VERY SLOW team and really only guy who is flying this year is Willy .. I can't see us losing our best player BY FAR so far this season

 

[notbias]

Yes we would be a lot worse if Matthews leaves. This is actually a topic?

Of course it is, where have you been for the past month? Every player is not terrible and will remain terrible... until we start winning and then they are good again.

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

The beauty of what Dubas has done is that true debacle cant been seen until he is long gone. Dumping firsts, paying full pop in trades, getting nothing for own rentals and musical chairs, just hoping it works. The prospect pool is nowhere as good as people pretend and all the other GM's and agents know he is a pushover. The Shanaplan is a joke and is running on hopium.

The amount of damage Dubas has done to this once promising roster and the organization as a whole, due to his mismanagement, falls just short of John Ferguson levels, and that's only because he has not yet traded away any player that turned out to be a star later.

 

[mapleleaf979]

There is no argument to that logic and everyone knows he packed it in for da SJ game .. his worst game this season for sure .. but he was also our best player BY FAR last night .. without Willy you can take 6 points off teams 10 this season and we are down to 4 points and last in league .. take out Robertson and team down to 2 points and Sammy won us 2 points too .. bottom line JT and Matty (except for last game) have been getting caved every game .. Mitch has been OK he is trying his best except last night where he not only did NOTHING but he actually cost us 2 points .. bottom line we have a VERY VERY SLOW team and really only guy who is flying this year is Willy .. I can't see us losing our best player BY FAR so far this season

He was great last night, but thats typical Nylander. He got demoted , plays great and watch him disappear again very soon. Next game, who knows which Nylander shows up. I would rather have Zac Hyman's compete level and dman Lybushkin's grit as missing pieces, over Nylander. I wonder what a GM would give up for Nylander, one of the most frustrating players in the NHL, plays to 70-80% of his potential and has a take it or leave attitude. My frustration for Nylander is based on me seeing a potential 120 point player if he competed hard.

 

[Mickey Marner]

A retool isn’t out of the question. Calgary swapped Gaudreau and Tkachuk for Huberdeau, Kadri and Weegar. If they can’t get out of round one then they won’t deserve the raises that they’ll demand anyhow.